It's sad that we all kinda knew this already. Writing is on the wall and clapping like seals, it won't be so bad then the inevitable EU fault, remainers putting us down, you've just got to believe.
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It's sad that we all kinda knew this already. Writing is on the wall and clapping like seals, it won't be so bad then the inevitable EU fault, remainers putting us down, you've just got to believe.
Isn't today supposed to be the deadline? Doesn't look very promising.
Boris Johnson: no PM could accept trade terms offered by EU
Boris Johnson: no PM could accept trade terms offered by EU
Not from what I've seen. They've basically accepted what was always required for the withdrawal agreement to work, and there were always practicalities to work out to implement it.
A commitment to keep to EU food safety standards, after months of saying we weren't going to commit, that's a win for the EU.
The arrangements talked about by Connolly in that series of Tweets are in line with the Northern Ireland protocol of the withdrawal agreement. That protocol gives a pretty wide set of creative powers to the Joint Committee to make decisions about how EU <-> NI and NI <-> GB trade works, and what regulations can be derogated under what conditions.
The bills that break international law did not cause this to happen and are more likely a threat to this agreement.
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Boris is going to brussels tonight. Presumably after we'll get an idea
Thanks very much both!
I kind of assumed as much but I actually had no idea on any of the details of the UK/ NI border and how it was planned to work or if they had even got that far. That crazy isn't it. There is going to be a hard border right down the middle of our country and I had barely the faintest idea of how it was supposed to work and how it was going to be implemented.
That blustering blonde bastard better not releases a new press release tonight saying how after some tough last minute negotiations we've managed to cinch the deal exactly how we wanted.
He's absolutely playing his base with this last minute 'dash' to Brussells.
He's absolutely playing his base with this last minute 'dash' to Brussells.
Mind you, a previous PM said the same thing about a border in the Irish Sea...
Spotted Dick.
Considering what he said there, he is either going to cave, EU will word it like they compromised and come home saying he got a deal like big man Boris sorting it over dinner with his charm, puke or he comes back saying the EU wouldn't budge and told them were to stick it, BoJo won't bow to EU, we are free, the papers will say. Lastly, talks continue into January, yay......
This is going to be so shit.
Haven't had the chance to engage with this as thoroughly over the last days, where are we at Deal VS No Deal chances?
20:80? 80:20?
20:80? 80:20?
I believe both sides have said that there won't be a deal at the end of tonight (even though the I think Barnier def said this was the latest they could leave it).
I assume it is going basically be do we continue negotiations, or don't we. That's almost effectively the same thing at this point in the process though.
I assume it is going basically be do we continue negotiations, or don't we. That's almost effectively the same thing at this point in the process though.
Wait, he is leaving just now? So basically it is a 2-3 hour visit unless he thinks he'll be welcomed at the European top tomorrow.
Spoiler: he won't.
You have a lack of faith. He fathered an entire rugby team worth of kids in less time than that!
Both the comments and a lot of the quoted RTs...
So so so so much delusion.
I honestly don't care at this point. Give us a deal with as many compromises as possible.
Look at the state of that lying scumbag.
FFS, Australia is no deal, Canada only applies because it's fucking miles away, won't cover what we have now and it destroys UK financial services probably. I want to scream.
I bet that briefcase just has a lot of shredded newspaper in it.
It's pretty much no deal now. I always felt that we're all in (my preference) or all out (no deal). From what's being said by Boris, no deal it is.
If Brexit was about UK parliament making UK laws and no-one else (and note the if, I'm not convinced that's what the Leave majority was about), then you could not have a scenario where if the EU passes a new law, then Britain has no choice but to do so as well, or have tariffs imposed, be fined etc That's not independence, that's not sovereignty. The UK electorate would have no say in what environmental, food safety or employment laws are passed - the EU decides, the UK has to abide. I believe the UK has already said we wouldn't regress on the existing laws in these areas.
No deal will hit the economy, but the negotiations were always about the economy/market access vs sovereignty and the electorate has voted twice now for the later (first in the referendum, then in the General election) and this is what they must get.
In 5 years time, we'll either be taking about rejoining or will have decided that we're happy with (what will be by that point) the status quo.I am guessing the later.
If Brexit was about UK parliament making UK laws and no-one else (and note the if, I'm not convinced that's what the Leave majority was about), then you could not have a scenario where if the EU passes a new law, then Britain has no choice but to do so as well, or have tariffs imposed, be fined etc That's not independence, that's not sovereignty. The UK electorate would have no say in what environmental, food safety or employment laws are passed - the EU decides, the UK has to abide. I believe the UK has already said we wouldn't regress on the existing laws in these areas.
No deal will hit the economy, but the negotiations were always about the economy/market access vs sovereignty and the electorate has voted twice now for the later (first in the referendum, then in the General election) and this is what they must get.
In 5 years time, we'll either be taking about rejoining or will have decided that we're happy with (what will be by that point) the status quo.I am guessing the later.
I totally agree. Just don't see how we can let the EU impose any changes to its laws on us, the UK would essentially be a vassal state. Looking like a no deal to me. It's going to be messy at the beginning of 2021.
I do not believe the UK electorate was informed of this. They were told their economy would be better.
More people voted for parties that supported a second referendum than voted for parties that didn't.
Just because our electoral system is a joke, doesn't mean people wanted a no-deal Brexit.
They voted to "take back control", now you might disagree with that (as do I) and might debate what that phrase really meant, but they chose this over the very clear warnings over the impact that leaving the EU would have on the economy.
They also voted to give 350 million a week to the nhs and for better trade deals. The latter they could get at the expense of sovereignty.
They didnt vote to "take back control", they vote for a collection of bs things that had different paths. For fucks sakes, even Farange was saying we should get a Norway style deal when leaving back during the referendum. It was just after Brexit winning that because nobody of them (except the madmen of harsh Brexit) had any clear idea of what they wanted, they ended up daring each other and pushing further and further until the solution was either no deal or total capitulation.
People voted for Brexit. But Brexit meant nothing but "leaving the EU", nothing else. People called "project fear" to the economic collapse, and clearly backed all other options over No Deal until the tory infighting made it so that "no deal is better than a bad deal".
People voted for tougher immigration controls (which they could get even inside the EU). People voted for being able to make better connections with the Commonwealth (which doesnt require harsh Brexit). No deal brexit is just the endgoal of the tories playing their infighting pushing a fringe solution as the only possible solution.
People voted for Brexit. But Brexit meant nothing but "leaving the EU", nothing else. People called "project fear" to the economic collapse, and clearly backed all other options over No Deal until the tory infighting made it so that "no deal is better than a bad deal".
People voted for tougher immigration controls (which they could get even inside the EU). People voted for being able to make better connections with the Commonwealth (which doesnt require harsh Brexit). No deal brexit is just the endgoal of the tories playing their infighting pushing a fringe solution as the only possible solution.
There's rumblings from the EU side that it's the UK over stating the position, that it's about planning ahead for divergence from the current unified and shared laws and regulations. Both sides could respond by either changing regulations to something similar or imposing tariffs if it's something that don't want to do or it unfairly undercuts the other.
Vassal state seems a tad over the top for actually thinking ahead.
It ain't happening.
God I really hope to be wrong, but I've been banging this drum for ages now. If they wanted a deal, it wouldn't be playing out like this.
Man, this is so ridiculous. There are three weeks left out of which 1 is like non-existent. How are companies supposed to prepare for anything that's not decided yet? Emergency measures in their Christmas zoom calls?
This is the same stupid game again and again. Just go for no deal already and stop this craziness. It's clear that UK doesn't want a deal.
I cannot remember where, but I heard an interview with the chief negotiator that worked for Blair on the Good Friday agreement, they seemed confident that this is all bluster and there will be a deal... 🤞🏻
Brexit: 'Large gaps' remain after trade talks with Ursula von der Leyen
Sunday becomes the new deadline for a decision on trade talks, after the PM and EU chief meet in Brussels.
www.bbc.co.uk
Wait for the strong arm Laura take
The EU isn't going to sign a deal that leaves them at a disadvantage and the single market wide open to the UK with a leg up and the UK isn't going to sign a deal that doesn't give them a leg up while they eat cake.
It's kinda always been that way.
Yeah, no deal is going to make serious bank and power for the rich, it's whether Boris and his chums will light that match, I think they might because they've already lined it up but are pushing the EU to cave which seems unlikely.
So, it was Wednesday, now it's Sunday, lol. Be January soon.
It's kinda always been that way.
Yeah, no deal is going to make serious bank and power for the rich, it's whether Boris and his chums will light that match, I think they might because they've already lined it up but are pushing the EU to cave which seems unlikely.
So, it was Wednesday, now it's Sunday, lol. Be January soon.
From the very start with the way things went, all the promises of what they were going to do without discussing how, a no deal was always more probable than most people realized.
Also helps that both sides have differing opinions on who will get hurt the most on this, so, everyone can say that no deal is better than a bad deal, and if no deal comes, we'll find out who was right.
Also helps that both sides have differing opinions on who will get hurt the most on this, so, everyone can say that no deal is better than a bad deal, and if no deal comes, we'll find out who was right.
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Well i can only speak for our clients but everyone is and has been working under the assumption of no deal for the past 3 months. If it doesn't happen fine but if it does better safe than sorry.
This is the buffer period to prepare. The UK government has had six months (since it removed the possibility of an extension to the transition period) to properly brief businesses on what will change under a no-deal scenario.
The only reassurance is that any chaos will be relatively short-lived.
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Assumption in EU capitals is to get it over with and a lot of countries expect the UK to walk back and sign a deal early next year.
UK had 4 years to prepare what good is gonna make another 3 months.
The only way i could see an extension is if they agree to a deal in principle but need more time to implement
How strong will the knock-on effects of No-Deal Brexit be felt on the larger global economy? Like, will it tank the American stock markets as well, or has that already been priced in?