Interesting thought, you are right, could very well be. Gave parliament leverage in the Canada deal but also puts lots of political pressure on them. But seeing no progress right now maybe we will get a sudden no deal after all.
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EU, UK leaders say conditions to seal Brexit trade deal 'not there'
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EU, UK leaders say conditions to seal Brexit trade deal 'not there'
EU chief Ursula von der Leyen and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said in a joint statement on Monday that sealing a new trade deal was impossible now "due to remaining differences on critical issues".
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Boris never wanted a deal. People told me this wouldn't happen. Fuck.EU, UK leaders say conditions to seal Brexit trade deal 'not there'
EU, UK leaders say conditions to seal Brexit trade deal 'not there'
EU chief Ursula von der Leyen and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said in a joint statement on Monday that sealing a new trade deal was impossible now "due to remaining differences on critical issues".
I feel so bad for people that voted for remain.EU, UK leaders say conditions to seal Brexit trade deal 'not there'
EU, UK leaders say conditions to seal Brexit trade deal 'not there'
EU chief Ursula von der Leyen and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said in a joint statement on Monday that sealing a new trade deal was impossible now "due to remaining differences on critical issues".
I still think Johnson's angling for a deal, actually- he's flying out to Brussels himself over the next day or two to have face-to-face negotiations with von der Leyen over the summaries, which is the exact thing he'd do if he were looking to capitulate and proclaim himself a great negotiator for sealing the deal. If he didn't want one, he could stay home and let the clock run down.
It's certainly not a done deal (I'd give maybe a 30% chance of a deal being struck now), but I can see the playbook.
It's certainly not a done deal (I'd give maybe a 30% chance of a deal being struck now), but I can see the playbook.
He doesn't want the blame, if you ask me. So he's not going to hide and let the clock run down.
He was absolutely never going to get the blame- it would have been the fault of the traitorous foreigns no matter what Johnson did over the next few days.
It very much seems to me that he's re-running the playbook he used for the withdrawal agreement last year. We'll see if it works.
I can only imagine the change of tune that The Sun and The Mail would have if it was Corbyn negotiating this clusterfuck.
The extent of UK-incompetence has to be deliberate. They're(Johnson and his enablers) going to crash and sell out the UK for parts.
Eventually the UK will want a deal. Since every day after December 31st without a deal will cause damage to both the EU and the UK, the sooner that deal can be put in place, the better. The more progress that can be made here, the further that eventual deal will be towards completion whenever the UK gets around to crying out for it, and the sooner it can be put in place.
That'll be continue to be the logic of the EU for the remainder of 2020.
Isn't this kinda worthless since the Lords won't allow it.
I honestly flip between what Boris actually wants or cares about. I think he probably does want a deal, albeit cakey as possible but doesn't care if he can't get one. The worrying thing is the sheer delusion of the many MPs or is it just a bluff for the time being to see if the EU move, I don't know. A deal seems so unlikely because both positions are so incompatible. Brexit is stupid.
The lords are irrelevant. They can and will be overruled.
The only positive is that every time they send it back, it will make the news.
Huh, well shit. So they basically said to the world we don't respect international law, wanna do a trade deal, pinky promise!
They've promised to remove a clause that allows them to ignore previous agreements if an agreement is struck. You literally cannot make this stuff up now.
Brexit: Boris Johnson warns securing deal is 'looking very, very difficult'
www.theguardian.com
Brexit: Boris Johnson warns securing deal is 'looking very, very difficult'
PM says he wants an agreement but people need to be ready for changes on 1 January
www.theguardian.com
Let's just make this the official OT4.0 for now.
I added links to the previous OT's to the OP.
Open to better title suggestions
I added links to the previous OT's to the OP.
Open to better title suggestions
EU says it is willing to continue talks with UK into 2021 in event of no deal
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Brexit: Johnson says trade deal looking 'very difficult'; EU willing to continue talks into 2021 in event of no deal – live
Latest updates: prime minister says there are issues where ‘we’re a long way apart still’ from agreement
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EU says it is willing to continue talks with UK into 2021 in event of no deal
[Brexit: Johnson says trade deal looking 'very difficult'; EU willing to continue talks into 2021 in event of no deal – live
Latest updates: prime minister says there are issues where ‘we’re a long way apart still’ from agreement
PM's spokesman has rebuffed that:
Which just sounds like silly bluster because if there is no deal/no future relationship concluded, then it's still going to need to be talked about and agreed at some point in the future.
Unless they envisage a future where we literally do not deal with Europe whatsoever.
We should have a trial week so everyone can see how wonderful/horrible it would be.
Kent already has the portaloos and lorry parks - let's try it there.
They really are a bunch of fucking clowns. It's all show, always.
I can understand why the French are holding firm, but the rate they are going they'll lose all access as there won't be a deal.
Macron is probably playing bad cop again. He won't nuke the whole thing though, if there is genuine interest on the UK side for a realistic deal.
I can understand why the Brits are holding firm, but the rate they are going they'll lose all access as there won't be a deal.
Fishing was never THE problem (it was a small problem, but nothing too big), it is more the level playing field and that UK nuked any trust EU would have on them by passing a law that basically makes a previous agreement they made void whenever UK wants. That means that EU would want to add extra conditions to ensure EU can punish UK asap when they try and break / diverge, while UK wants to be able to fuck off and not have any punishment for years.
France would be far better off from stealing UK financial services contracts in the event of no deal (loss of passporting for the UK) than they'd ever be from the fisheries aspect in a deal. Hell, they could pay all the fishermen to stay home for 10 years and they'd still be far, far better off.
It was easy to see from the very beginning that once Brexit was decided that local politics would apply to any deal, it's not just UK politics that matter, it's politics everywhere in the UE, and maybe it makes sense for Macron to go for a hard Brexit that he can blame on those dastardly British instead of a meh trade deal that can be blamed on him.
It is what it is.
I don't think we want to get into a workers war with the French over access, the trucks will be backed up to Glasgow.
Dont worry, as a spaniard, we are used to having trucks with our vegetables and fruit thrown out every summer by pissed of french farmers. It becomes a yearly tradition.
Yep, and it will probably yield an even shitter deal. It's like playing poker, losing you house, your husband/wife divorcing you and then going through rehab only to find you now have hep B and all your friends have disowned you. When committing suicide, you slit your wrists vertically and not horizontally - the one thing that I have learnt from all of this.
I was thinking that we're overdue another round of Tory infighting!
Can't wait!
If it goes ahead, it'd be like last time where Boris and elements of the Tory press scream "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" while the ERG and Farage limply bang on about how it's "not a real Brexit" while nobody cares.
It'll be almost exactly like the "oven-ready deal" from last year.
It does, but I can't see labour vote against it en masse, it'll be abstention at worst, which means it should pass.
It does, and I think pretty much everyone involved wishes it didn't have to!
It'll almost certainly pass, but Johnson could do without the headache from the hardline no-deal types within his party, and Labour could live without the no-win decision of supporting it or abstaining (or even less likely, outright voting against it).
I'm not so sure the right-wing press will be so quick to champion a deal either. Maybe for a day, but I think they're going to turn on Johnson almost immediately for 'selling out the country'.
Labour will absolutely abstain, despite preferring any deal. Kind of a "you bought it you, you own it" situation.