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BREXIT |OT4.0| Endgame? No, Endgame! [Up: It's done]

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Geeker

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No mention of the red tape in everything trade related or how much more of a hassle it is to hire people with the new immigration system. Quelle surprise
 
PJV3

PJV3

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Miserable remoaners starting 2022 as they ended 2021

I've already curled out a massive shit in a river this morning, claim your birthright.
 
jelly

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Wasn't the crown on pints a load of bollocks but partially sort of connected to the move to metric which started before the EU was a thing but the EU didn't actually say you can't put the symbol on pints, you just shouldn't use it for measurements but we aren't going to hang you for it so it was all hot air in the end. Imagine batting for imperial measurements, hopefully people just ignore shit like this and stick to pushing metric.

God, what a start to the year. I wonder if it truly unravels this time or the return of the can to be kicked.

Someone mentioned in the UK Pol OT that if they do a trade deal with India they'll want some open immigration as they've said before a deal hinges on. Lol, Brexiter heads about to explode. I think the leave voters are about to learn the Tories don't really care about immigration other than a means to an end to get people angry and vote for them thinking they do care which they don't.
 
PJV3

PJV3

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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...es-brexit-import-rules-prices-shortages-delis

More metropolitan middle class whining about artisan sourdough or something. Tripe and pickled turnips for the lot of 'em seeing as how they can't be arrested for no good reason, time we got rid of the european human rights act.


"After a few minutes in the queue spent eyeing up the best on offer at the local deli, it is decision time.
Maybe some of the wonderful Parma ham from Italy? With a few slices of Spanish chorizo? And a piece of brie from that farm in Normandy… oh, and definitely some of the black olives from Greece.
The government may be making light of new and burdensome Brexit rules and regulations affecting imports to the UK from the EU which came into force on January 1, but organisations representing small UK firms are not. The firms are worried about the impact on their businesses – and about the choices that will be available to their customers at their favourite specialist stores – on the high street".
 
Protome

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
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You're all just thinking negatively about this. Look at the positives, think about how this will help our booming prosciutto and chorizo production here in the UK.
 
Mivey

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jelly said:
Wasn't the crown on pints a load of bollocks but partially sort of connected to the move to metric which started before the EU was a thing but the EU didn't actually say you can't put the symbol on pints, you just shouldn't use it for measurements but we aren't going to hang you for it so it was all hot air in the end. Imagine batting for imperial measurements, hopefully people just ignore shit like this and stick to pushing metric.

God, what a start to the year. I wonder if it truly unravels this time or the return of the can to be kicked.

Someone mentioned in the UK Pol OT that if they do a trade deal with India they'll want some open immigration as they've said before a deal hinges on. Lol, Brexiter heads about to explode. I think the leave voters are about to learn the Tories don't really care about immigration other than a means to an end to get people angry and vote for them thinking they do care which they don't.
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I'm kinda surprised the Johnson government is not already openly pushing to abolish the metric system and fully return to Imperial. Maybe they are waiting on that one until they are closer to the next elections.
 
bremen

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Mivey said:
I'm kinda surprised the Johnson government is not already openly pushing to abolish the metric system and fully return to Imperial. Maybe they are waiting on that one until they are closer to the next elections.
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Got to keep something back for the general election manifesto!
 
jelly

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PJV3 said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...es-brexit-import-rules-prices-shortages-delis

More metropolitan middle class whining about artisan sourdough or something. Tripe and pickled turnips for the lot of 'em seeing as how they can't be arrested for no good reason, time we got rid of the european human rights act.


"After a few minutes in the queue spent eyeing up the best on offer at the local deli, it is decision time.
Maybe some of the wonderful Parma ham from Italy? With a few slices of Spanish chorizo? And a piece of brie from that farm in Normandy… oh, and definitely some of the black olives from Greece.
The government may be making light of new and burdensome Brexit rules and regulations affecting imports to the UK from the EU which came into force on January 1, but organisations representing small UK firms are not. The firms are worried about the impact on their businesses – and about the choices that will be available to their customers at their favourite specialist stores – on the high street".
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Interesting point in there that maybe big companies, say supermarkets or what not might manage new regs better, afford it for one so we just kneecapped everyone else for more wealth and control to big business. Not like that is ever a bad idea. Well done.
 
Jimbobsmells

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Everything from SME down will find this new bureaucracy difficult. I know the supply chain manager for a frozen foods firm who made >190 million profit last year, even they are shitting bricks.
 
jelly

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Will be interesting to see how it plays out, do they just pay consultants to do it for them and raise prices for us which may or may not backfire as things become too expensive or do they not bother exporting anything and shit hits the fan for us or does the UK not bother checking because they haven't hired thousands of custom agents to check things.

Should I buy some more toilet roll? 👀

I'm going to guess more expensive things, no things available and less on shelves but they just spread more stock they have around so shelves don't look empty and people say see hoax!

I wonder if people will completely lose their shit this year, better get that no protest law in quick.

Was mountains of new red tape on the bus?
 
Psychotext

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Oct 30, 2017
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It'll be exactly as foretold. Some things will get more expensive, and some things will become more scarce. All worth it for those sunlit uplands though.

See also, but in reverse... many UK companies no longer selling to the EU last year as it became too much hassle to deal with.
 
jelly

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...s-boris-johnson-of-casual-political-vandalism

What worries me is the casual political vandalism. They really don't seem to care. I mean the damage they are doing to the very fragile political settlements in Northern Ireland, by posturing on things like the European court of justice, which do not matter to voters in Northern Ireland," he said.

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"They may matter to Boris Johnsonand some supporters [in the government] and the ideological base.

"But is it really worth sacrificing all the work that previous generations of politicians put into the Northern Ireland peace process on the ideological altar of the ECJ?" he asked.
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While the appointment of the foreign secretary, Liz Truss, to succeed Frostwas initially read as a reset moment, publicly she is presenting herself as the continuity negotiator.

"The UK position has not changed. We need goods to flow freely between Great Britain and Northern Ireland, end the role of the ECJ as the final arbiter of disputes between us, and resolve other issues," she said before Christmas.
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You have to face up to the fact that Brexit requires someone to get hurt.

"There is nothing you can do about the political issue of identity given the history of two communities in Northern Ireland. But there is going to be a border because of Brexit and it has to be somewhere. No one's come up with a better idea than in the Irish Sea. If it is there, it affects unionist identity and what you have to do is ameliorate the impact of it," he said.
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Unless the US gives the UK an ultimatum I'm going to guess this runs and runs, just the usual can kicking.

I wonder if at any point the Tories think "god, can we just have a Labour government to fix this and everything else then blame them for everything by calling an early election this year and hope we lose?" I mean you could lump Brexit, trade issues, inflation, nhs, gas prices, tax rises, public service meltdown, small business meltdown, COVID recovery even when it's all the Tories fault, the media and public will make sure Labour own it.
 
Temascos

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Psychotext said:
This is quite something.

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Thanks for the link, interesting read.

Brexit was always the dream of the most wealthy and powerful who wanted to do away with those pesky laws and human rights. And if/when Brexit failed, they'll always have the backup of "That damn EU/Covid/Immigrants/LBGTQ+/Whatever" draws their ire, and so the British population at large will continue to support them.
 
jelly

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Sunday paper tomorrow

"When I see Maros Sefcovic this week for our first face-to-face talks, I'll be putting forward our constructive proposals to resolve the situation."

The current issues are "myriad and manifest", she argued, citing issues such as bureaucracy on sending parcels between Northern Ireland and Britain and problems procuring kosher food.

"I am prepared to work night and day to negotiate a solution," Ms Truss continued.

"But let me be clear, I will not sign up to anything which sees the people of Northern Ireland unable to benefit from the same decisions on taxation and spending as the rest of the UK, or which still sees goods moving within our own country being subject to checks.

"My priority is to protect peace and stability in Northern Ireland. I want a negotiated solution but if we have to use legitimate provisions including Article 16, I am willing to do that."
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Truss to NI If we are going down you are coming with us

Too early for flapjacks?
 
Psychotext

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Had a parcel turn up from the EU today. Five different A4 sheets of customs / import related documents.

TAKING BACK CONTROL.
 
PJV3

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Psychotext said:
Also, it's not really being discussed due to the Tory party implosion, but things really don't look good at the ports right now.

www.independent.ie

Trucks are stuck in port for days due to UK’s new Brexit red tape

Some lorries bringing goods from the EU to the UK have been stuck at border ports for up to four days as British logistics bosses blamed disruption on “terrible” new Brexit red tape.
www.independent.ie www.independent.ie
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Dover? never heard of it, is it important when it comes to ports?
 
PJV3

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Zampano said:
If you look on Google maps the queue is not very long. That tweet is definitely overplaying it. Would probably be worse if they took a shot today.
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I don't think we will really see how bad it could be until economies are back at full speed, but then again i wouldn't be sure where the drivers would come from if that happens.
 
SilentPanda

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Research into Johnson's planned Irish Sea bridge cost taxpayers £900,000


Nearly £900,000 of taxpayers' money was spent on a study commissioned by Boris Johnson that found it would be too expensive to build a bridge or tunnel between Scotland and Northern Ireland.

The Department for Transport (DfT) said the research into the feasibility of a fixed link cost £896,681.
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The Network Rail chair, Sir Peter Hendy, led the investigation, which found that a bridge would cost £335bn, while a tunnel would require a budget of about £209bn.

His report concluded that the project "would be impossible to justify" as "the benefits could not possibly outweigh the costs".
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The report described how Beaufort's dyke – an underwater trench on the most direct route between Scotland and Northern Ireland – would need to be "carefully surveyed" due to 1m tonnes of unexploded munitions being dumped there between the first world war and the 1970s.
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Mhairi Black, an SNP MP, said the bridge was an "unworkable, doomed from the get-go idea", and added: "This just goes to show the Tories' warped spending priorities. How many lateral flow tests could this have bought, or nurses' salaries paid, or PPE purchased for those on the frontline in this pandemic?
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www.theguardian.com

Research into Johnson’s planned Irish Sea bridge cost taxpayers £900,000

Study found it would be ‘impossible to justify’ creating a fixed link between Scotland and Northern Ireland
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com


Liz Truss aims to agree NI protocol deal with EU by end of February


Liz Truss, the foreign secretary, will travel to Brussels on Monday with a target of agreeing a deal with the EU on the post-Brexit arrangements for Northern Ireland by the end of February.
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But for all that Truss had expressed confidence she would be able to build momentum in favour of a deal, Šefčovič said there was as yet no sign of a change in the UK's negotiating positions.
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Sources said the commissioner had been "surprised and concerned" that Truss had regurgitated Frost's demands for a dispute system similar to that within the trade deal, the complete removal of checks on goods from Great Britain destined for Northern Ireland, and a rethink on the current system of EU approval of subsidies, known in Brussels as state aid.

Šefčovič had reiterated that the thorough overhaul of the current protocol, which keeps Northern Ireland in the single market for goods and draws a customs border down the Irish sea, was not possible. He told MEPs the EU had also shown it could speed up its approval system for state-aid notifications.
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The latest numbers from Ireland's Central Statistics Office show that the value of goods imported from Great Britain fell by almost £2.75bn from January to November last year.
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www.theguardian.com

Liz Truss aims to agree NI protocol deal with EU by end of February

Foreign secretary to travel to Brussels on Monday with target of finalising post-Brexit arrangements
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
PJV3

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Rodelero said:
£900,000 for Boris to fail to build a bridge is cheap by historical standards.
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Yeah, i still don't know how he or his school chums got away with that.


But for all that Truss had expressed confidence she would be able to build momentum in favour of a deal, Šefčovič said there was as yet no sign of a change in the UK's negotiating positions.
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Oh god, she's high on her own farts unless she plans to back down at the last second, but that would cook her goose for the leadership
 
Psychotext

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Made this mistake of reading some twitter threads on Brexit. One in particular going on about Remainers having no shame because they're happy that the EU is "treating us so badly".

This country really is lost.
 
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