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blaze

Member
Oct 25, 2017
753
UK
Some trade deals take a whole lot longer, stop buying into tory rubbish about the deadline etc.
It's no deal from January, it doesn't mean talks have to stop and it doesn't mean there hasn't been any compromise already.
I take it you would actually like a trade deal at some point with the continent/EU and our biggest market?

Exactly, talks will continue no matter what happens at the end of the year, neither side can actually afford for there to be no deal long term even if one is better prepared for it. The question is just moving into a phase of how long the damage from tariffs will last while they try to figure something out.

The whole thing is a complete mess caused by the UK, but people underestimate how bad this is going to be for the EU too (even if the UK takes a much worse hit) - no-one should be championing the idea of "walking away" by either party no matter how frustrating it is, it's a terrible outcome on so many levels.
 

Guppeth

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,805
Sheffield, UK
Allowing chip shops to use old newspaper because.... Ink adds to the chips flavour?
Eating dirt and germs builds your immune system. If we hadn't surrendered our Great British Chip Shops to the EU, we'd all be tough as nails and that corvid-90 wouldn't be able to cross the channel.

After watching my nan lick her finger every time she turned the page, I went off the idea. And that was in olden times when some newspaper readers were reasonable humans. Nowadays newspapers are only purchased by people with actual rabies.
 

SilentPanda

Member
Nov 6, 2017
13,621
Earth
Kent lorry park will not be ready in time for Brexit day deadline

The Kent lorry park designed to relieve queues of up to 7,000 trucks taking goods across the English channel will not be ready for Brexit on 1 January, it has emerged.

"They've said it should be for a maximum of up to eight weeks from January – so it should be finished by the end of February – but they are committed to the Sevington site as the permanent base," he told Kent Online.

The site was acquired by the government in July and is due to act as a holding pen for lorries queueing to get into Dover and possibly leaving the port and also to allow HM Revenue & Customs to conduct checks.

Green said another site would now be used. "Because of the rain, they are going to stand up the nearby Waterbrook site and operate it as a common transit convention site. HMRC activities that would've taken place at Sevington will be carried out there instead," he said.

"From 1 January customs checks on HGVs will be taking place at the Ashford Waterbrook site before permanently moving to the Sevington site in February 2021," a spokesperson said.

Local residents have expressed concern about the increased noise, pollution and traffic.

Liz Wright, Green Party councillor for the adjacent Willesborough ward, said: "We are not yet able to discover who is monitoring the pollution and the traffic. We are concerned because the pollution levels were already illegally high at junction 10."

www.theguardian.com

Scottish airfield earmarked as post-Brexit lorry park

Exclusive: Transport Scotland hopes to use site in case of delays at ferry terminals linking with Northern Ireland
 

jelly

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
33,841
Kinda gone quiet hasn't it, either working hard to get something done or preparing for smooth chaos.
 

DeltaRed

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Apr 27, 2018
5,746
Supposedly they're just trying to work out a way of making it look like both sides won...
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Jokerman

Member
May 16, 2020
6,930
There is no way the EU have agreed to any deal that doesn't have market alignment, so Johnson has backed down, as predicted.
 

Ravensmash

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,797
My prediction is that the emphasis on them reassuring eurosceptics, means that it undoubtedly will make eurosceptics very angry.

I look forward to the upcoming talks about backbench rebellions.
 
Oct 31, 2017
10,039
So if this turns out to be a deal, which would probably require Johnson to cave in on all those idiot populist lines he drew, how are the scum papers going to spin it? Will it be a great red white and blue victory or will they turn on him?
 

DarthSontin

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,032
Pennsylvania
Boris will concede to an even worse position than a couple of weeks ago, then spin it as a win and the EU completely caving to the UK. He did the same with May's deal.
 

nature boy

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Oct 25, 2017
8,877


The UK is drawing up plans to turn London into a rival for Singapore as a hub for shipping companies to register their vessels following the end of the Brexit transition period, according to people briefed on the proposals.

Industry bodies and unions have been canvassed over the reform of the shipping industry's so-called tonnage tax after January 1 2021, when the UK is no longer subject to the EU's state aid regime on subsidies.

The proposals, described as "blue-sky thinking" by one person familiar with their contents, are being worked on as EU-UK trade talks reach a crunch point in Brussels — with the issue of managing UK regulatory divergence the biggest bone of contention.

According to calculations provided to the government, revamping the UK's shipping tax and regulation regime could be worth £3.7bn to the economy over three years and create 2,500 high-quality jobs directly, and 25,000 in related companies.

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jelly

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
33,841
There really isn't someone who does that already, seems so odd, not like all the ships are going to park up, do they basically mean a shell office with like two staff members so they qualify for cheaper tax?
 

Eoin

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Oct 27, 2017
7,103
So if this turns out to be a deal, which would probably require Johnson to cave in on all those idiot populist lines he drew, how are the scum papers going to spin it? Will it be a great red white and blue victory or will they turn on him?
It will probably start as a huge celebration of Johnson's victory over the EU. Any deal is going to be massively complicated. It won't just be a >1000-page text, it'll be a >1000-page text that constantly refers back to itself and to dozens of other texts including EU directives and regulations. The most controversial parts might deliberately be made the most difficult to nail down. The result will not be human-readable even by trade experts - UK tabloid writers will not have the slightest hope of parsing it, so they'll just take whatever tone they're told to take.

Eventually, once people have time to start digging into it, the chances are that it'll show that the EU got most of what they wanted and (more importantly) at least some of what Johnson said that they would never get. That could turn the mood against Johnson, but by then there will be little that can be done about that - the treaty will be signed (and the EU will have harsh breach contingencies) and Johnson might even be gone.
 

Joni

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Oct 27, 2017
19,508
"The good news is that we have found a way forward on most issues," she said, adding that she and EU negotiator Michel Barnier can now see a "narrow path to an agreement". "But this is now a case of us being so close, and yet being so far away from each other, because two issues still remain outstanding, you know them: a level playing field and the fisheries. "
www.thejournal.ie

'We have found a way forward': Ursula von der Leyen says path to a Brexit agreement is in sight

The European Commission president addressed the European Parliament this morning.
 

Ravensmash

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,797
"The good news is that we have found a way forward on most issues," she said, adding that she and EU negotiator Michel Barnier can now see a "narrow path to an agreement". "But this is now a case of us being so close, and yet being so far away from each other, because two issues still remain outstanding, you know them: a level playing field and the fisheries. "
www.thejournal.ie

'We have found a way forward': Ursula von der Leyen says path to a Brexit agreement is in sight

The European Commission president addressed the European Parliament this morning.

lol

Level playing field seems like a rather big issue to be separate on.

Saw this from The Sun's reporter:

"The PM has been told this month is the now-or-never chance to clinch a tariff and quota free UK-EU trade deal. If talks fail the bloc is set to switch to a 'different approach' next year, pursuing 'sector-by-sector' negotiations that may drag on for years."

That sounds horrible.
 
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Ushojax

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Oct 30, 2017
5,927
So if this turns out to be a deal, which would probably require Johnson to cave in on all those idiot populist lines he drew, how are the scum papers going to spin it? Will it be a great red white and blue victory or will they turn on him?

They will spin it as the master negotiator triumphing over the bullies of Brussels. The detail doesn't matter, the whole country has had enough of hearing about Brexit. Apart from the very few true believer nutters nobody cares about the detail just like nobody cared about the detail when we were still in the EU. We were in, now we are out. One front page saying "BRITAIN TRIUMPHS OVER EUROPE" is all Boris needs. We have bigger problems than Brexit now.

The actual crisis we are currently facing shows just how vacuous the Brexit fiasco was, it was all hot air. People like Francois, Mogg, Redwood etc now look like the detached chancers that they are when the country is facing a genuine crisis and not their manufactured rich man's crisis from 2016.
 

Lagamorph

Wrong About Chicken
Member
Oct 26, 2017
7,355
So it'll be sold as "Well we CAN diverge if we want to which means we're in control!!!!1111"
 

navanman

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,711
Dublin
Folding is the only option.
The idea that you can trade with another bloc on your terms not their terms is pie in the sky stuff.
 
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Xando

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Oct 28, 2017
27,286
lol

He's caved then.

Someone get the ERG on the phone.
Renaming it into something that can be sold at home always was gonna be the most likely scenario
The UK still getting preferential access to the single market without freedom of movement is what they wanted right? Considering they are getting it, it should ideally be a win for them.
This is tariff free access and has little to do with the 4 freedoms