Like I said either racist or fine with the racism Leave spewed. Both have the same effect on poc so both should be treated the same. You can't be fine with the racism spewed by Farage etc then be like "nah am not racist".
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BREXIT |OT2.0| A parade of endless victories for Boris Johnson
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User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory False Equivalence Surrounding Racism
I don't think anyone is defending racism, just pointing out that all demographics voted leave, remain, it's not clear cut poor people voting leave, comfortable, well off people voting remain, white, black, asian picking remain or leave. Immigration fears, racism was a huge part, no doubt about it and the leave campaigns, media played it like a fiddle and the resulting leave win only encouraged racists which is a terrible outcome but one that probably needed to show it's head that it's here and will always be unfortuately, needs called out and fought against. I would also say it's not always white on black or asian hate, it does happen the other way, the fear of the other, EU immigration crossed demographics too.
As for other reasons, sure people just don't like EU, believe it's a waste of money, believe all the lies over the years or maybe legitimently think we can go alone even if they are wrong or right, these people may be few and far between and it's just cover for fear of immigration, society changing, quite possible but let's not forget 70% voted in the election, 33 million people and 17 million voted leave in a country of 70 million. Hate is everywhere but I'm trying to be positive and hope we turn a corner and people see the good path now and the obvious lies.
As for other reasons, sure people just don't like EU, believe it's a waste of money, believe all the lies over the years or maybe legitimently think we can go alone even if they are wrong or right, these people may be few and far between and it's just cover for fear of immigration, society changing, quite possible but let's not forget 70% voted in the election, 33 million people and 17 million voted leave in a country of 70 million. Hate is everywhere but I'm trying to be positive and hope we turn a corner and people see the good path now and the obvious lies.
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studies that tried to analyse the brexit vote all showed that Leave goes with old age, low education, unemployment and lack of public service
(see https://academic.oup.com/economicpolicy/article/32/92/601/4459491 )
However those populations are also the primary target for populists and racists because it works on them.
It's not one or the other, it's both in a deadly joker combo.
(see https://academic.oup.com/economicpolicy/article/32/92/601/4459491 )
However those populations are also the primary target for populists and racists because it works on them.
It's not one or the other, it's both in a deadly joker combo.
Leave campaign was racist and xenophobic if you voted for it you are part of the problem. There are many different levels of racism/xenophobia not just the dudes that spew shit. To vote leave you at the very least were ok with ignoring the racism/xenophobia so that very clearly makes you part for the problem.
People need to stop trying to downplay what people that voted leave voted for.
User banned (1 week): dismissive commentary around race
So how are you changing hearts and minds here.
Not my job to, I am not going to change the mind of bigots. I have been told to go home and called nigger enough times already.
Asking a minority to change "hearts and minds" isn't a good look
Worth bearing in mind that Beefy's posts aren't exactly going to be pasted all over the tabloids. No need to mince words here in this space.
So how would I know you're a minority? You honestly believe 50% of the UK are pure bigots? Even that is a scale.
He said that people who didn't consider the leave campaigns racism as a red line were still culpable for their vote, not that they are pure bigots to the last person.
Edit: levels of racism yeah. Not everyone is throwing slurs around.
Said it in my posts all up this page. 50%? Easily, like I said not every racist is going be spewing shit. There are levels of racism, but at the end of the day racism is racism.
"Many" what percentage? Do you even know?
Let me show you....
"As for demographics, the proportion of males is 45.4% of all individuals in the sample, while just about three out of ten respondents are aged 60 or above. People with no qualification account for about 8% of the sample. Roughly 90% of respondents are born in the UK. Asians are the largest ethnic minority amounting to 5.8% of the sample, followed by blacks (2.5%).2 Over half of respondents are married or in a civil"
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User Banned (1 Month): Dismissive Commentary Surrounding Racism Over Multiple Posts; Linking to Bigoted Sources; Prior Bans for Inflammatory and Dismissive Behavior
I live in Wales and most of the time when I can pin them down on their leave vote it comes down to immigration.
I have to go through the exhausting process of debunking their flimsy reasons regarding bendy bananas, banning the coal mines, dissolving the army or some such horseshit.
I have to go through the exhausting process of debunking their flimsy reasons regarding bendy bananas, banning the coal mines, dissolving the army or some such horseshit.
Spiked Online is a rancid festering piece of shit excuse for a website.
'more likely' or 'they vote too' does not mean they are not outliers.
(from the independent) https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/FSjot/1/#amp=1
(from the independent) https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/FSjot/1/#amp=1
You didn't have to ignore racism to vote for leave because Britain leaving the European union has nothing to do with race. Yes, Nigel Farage attempted to hijack the leave campaign but that's exactly what it was, a successful hijacking.
If a massive Scottish xenophobe was to hijack the next Scottish indyref, would you also write off every pro independence Scottish voter as racist?
Stats?
It's no hidden fact, that four of the things that the Brexit manifesto was founded upon were:
1. £350 million kept in the UK
2. Turkey joining the EU
3. Control of immigration
4. Brussels will no longer make our laws
Each and every one of those can be taken to be racist or xenophobic and/or a form of right-wing nationalism imo. Imo, it's very likely that even those people that didn't believe/perceive themselves to be racist, were influenced by a certain mindset. I mean even that programme Brexit an Uncivil War, showed that part of Cumming's attack was built on Turkey joining the EU. I'd be hard pressed to believe that there wasn't some form of racism involved, whether conscious or subconscious.
I can tell you that in parts of Birmingham, there was an explicit racist agenda, against the Polish; many asian people were told that Brexit would stop Polish people taking their jobs.
Also, is it just concidence, that racism and racist attacks have risen since Brexit?
Stop trying to justify people not caring enough about racism. If you vote for a racist campaign you are part of the problem.
I get what your saying, all racist Brexit voters likely voted leave but even so, perhaps a bit unfair to people who just don't like the EU, yes they handwaved the hate leave were spewing and supported a view to leave the EU many horrible groups also supported but it's still very possible they did for non racist reasons, maybe not loads of people but who knows. You can't distill it to a purity test though, it was a vote to leave the EU, not a vote for a party that has racist ideals. Yeah, I know the Tory party are scum and would probably fit that to a degree but I think most parties honestly fall short.
Nah, if you are fine with voting with racist campaigns you are part of the problem.
It doesn't make you a outright bigot. It does however make you at the very least fine with racism or not give a shit. Both still hurt minorities just as much
Groups of people can vote for the same despite having different motives.
But he didn't manage to; Cummings was the mastermind, and it was basically his manifesto.
Oh yeah, the electorate have really been nuanced over the last decade of UK politics.
I haven't tried to give any justifications, just looking at the situation holistically. I'd say it's the kind of conjecture that you're displaying that got the country into this mess.
All I see in this thread is people handwaving racism. You can't expect to vote for a campaign which racism was 100% a part and be like "nah am not part of the problem" when clearly you are.
Can you give me examples of different motives for not wanting to be in an EU that will have Turkey as a member state?
Or even stricter controls over immigration?
UK in a Hanging Europe is trash... Okay. Live in your bubble.
Here's one bit from your link:
"The belief that Britain maintains its 'special relationship' with its former colonies extends beyond just the bureaucratic process, however. Equally important to these interviewees is the historical and cultural Anglo-Indian connections from the legacy of empire, including the English language. For many of these interviewees, it is the idea of cultural belonging stemmed from a shared history. The EU, on the other hand, is framed as a political project, and EU migrants are viewed as not part of the fabric of Britishness. " i.e., they don't belong here.
jelly hit the nail on the head by saying racism has always been in the UK and the vote to leave has only just encouraged it. It's always puzzled me when UK politicians would say things like the UK is a tolerant country, etc. It's like... do you even understand the UK at all? The racist undercurrent in the UK has always been there; some of it is really vicious and I think some of it is people not even realising what they're saying is racist or xenophobic.
Though I don't think you can claim all leave voters are racist: some people just voted to leave because they see the EU as some kind of organisation designed to scam us out of our money and who are "making our laws".
Though I don't think you can claim all leave voters are racist: some people just voted to leave because they see the EU as some kind of organisation designed to scam us out of our money and who are "making our laws".
It's so strange to be told by a fellow minority that I'm blaming them. I wasn't having a discussion with you based on your race for starters but it seems to be something you can always bring the conversation back to.
You blamed me it is simple, you posted it. It doesn't matter if you are another minority you still blamed me.
Blame the racism in this country for how it is, not me.
Yes, and there are two different motives. We have the classic white racism which does't want any form of immigration and we have the more strategic approach, whoch means no EU immigrants will lead to more non-EU/Commonwealth immigration.
But, to take this in the other direction, wouldn't it be fair to say that a majority of them think it's ok to make laws for Scotland, Ireland and Wales?
User Banned (Permanent): Dismissive Commentary Surrounding Racism Over Multiple Posts and Inflammatory Accusation
We seem to be very different with our view of race. You realise you can be a shitty minority right? Blaming your style of opinion has nothing to do with your race. It's something that anyone can have.
But I never said that it was only the white people that voted for Leave, that have some form of racist ideology. I also said that some Leavers could habour subconscious racism.
I am not a shitty minority for not liking racism and people that don't care enough about it. That is my whole point.
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