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Brexit: Freedom of movement 'will end' says the government
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So Boneheaded Boris promised to guarantee the rights of every EU citizen living in the UK, but he's ending freedom of movement without saying how those EU citizens will have their rights protected?
And he wants to claim he's not being hostile to immigrants at the same time?
God I hope the anti-no deal coalition can get its act together and eject this nob from leadership, pronto.
And he wants to claim he's not being hostile to immigrants at the same time?
God I hope the anti-no deal coalition can get its act together and eject this nob from leadership, pronto.
Nah, we're just going to kick them out and not let them back. Unless, of course, they're more qualified than their British peers so that we can still say foreigners are stealing British jobs.
Or they could just be clear about it now so people can get on with their fucking lives.
There is only one sentence there that really shakes me and it is
I can't think of anything worse. If this happens I am really going to consider moving away from here.
I had so many friends in Australia as immigrants ... The stories are horrible
I can't think of anything worse. If this happens I am really going to consider moving away from here.
I had so many friends in Australia as immigrants ... The stories are horrible
Boris the Menace said:
That literally means sod all, right? He just tacked in the word for the hell of it to make a soundbite. C'mon. Just annoys me.
Also, fuck all of this.
How do we, as the next generation, seriously fight against this and get free movement back? One would hope when an opposition party takes over one day they are more open to negotiating these rights back, young people especially will be utterly fucked by this, unable to study, live and work in EU countries as seamlessly as it is now.
That'll be up to the EU, but if they want to go the reciprocal route, then no.
Looking forward to the return of the ex-pats *shudders*
They'll just continue to conveniently ignore that.
They'll just continue to conveniently ignore that.
They'll be the first to be blamed when things go horribly wrong.
Thats a bit hyperbolic, people will still be able to do all of those things, EU countries are not going to suddenly refuse UK nationals from staying in their countries and vice versa with the UK and EU nationals. The only real change is that you'll have to fill out a bit of paperwork and have proof that you have no criminal background. It wont be as seamless as it is now but its not going to dramatically change how people travel/move abroad.
The end of an era unfortunately.
Wonder if visa free travel for holidays will be available for EU in UK and vice versa
Wonder if visa free travel for holidays will be available for EU in UK and vice versa
Under no deal, I doubt it. And in those circumstances it is probably not high on the list of priorities...
Er...yes it will. Going on holiday will be no problem but if you think you can just swan into the EU after the 31st and start applying for jobs (or vice versa) you'll have another think coming. It'll be like trying to work in Australia or the US. Possible if you have the right skills or your employer sorts something out for you but otherwise, forget it.
Being old enough to remember travelling before the borderless Europe, it's a fairly dramatic change.
I've woken up in the morning and decided to pop over the France or Belgium on a whim because I could, or pop over to a factory on the continent for work at short notice, depending on the visa process, you won't be able to do that anymore.
Add to that the work visa process takes a long time and costs a lot of money.
This is incredibly poorly informed - I've met other folks with the same incorrect notion that things won't change much.
Nope, travelling and staying are very different.
You will need work visa to stay most likely and those require certain skills, are limited in numbers etc.
Visa visa free travel will probably stay both way.
Freedom of movement also mean the possibility to stay and apply for jobs.
How do people not get this by now. It's been three years of constant debate and people still don't realise what no deal Brexit entails.
And with a large pool of EU citizen workers who is going to hire you in the EU. And most people can speak English anyway in EU countries so speaking English isn't a benefit like it is in Japan or something. For example going on holiday in Singapore is incredibly easy, I can just book my flight and go over there if I feel like it but working there is subject to an extremely strict visa process with employer sponsorship, background checks, etc. Travel =/= wanting to stay long term in the country.
Hopefully not too much or the NHS is going to have even worse staffing issues.
How important EU staff is to the NHS (and people from out of EU) is not to be understated. But with the EU staff (especially nurses) it has been so easy for them to fill the posts I worry this new system is going to make it harder. We already have a shortage of nurses/doctors as it is.
The NHS is going to have even worse staffing issues. There is no question about it.
If I get thrown out of Germany because of the fuckwits running the UK, which hopefully won't be the case because they're guaranteeing UK citizen rights for a period, I'll be so incredibly angry.
I still maintain my fuck everyone who voted for brexit position.
I still maintain my fuck everyone who voted for brexit position.
That is easy to fix, if your politician want it. for example they can make special queue and allowance for medical professional.
British worker and pensioner trying to move abroad will have harder time.
I think Germany will very likely give a working visa for everyone can demostrate they are currently working in Germany. Not the same as it need to be renewed but you should be ok.
No luck for those still staying in Britain.
Depends on how the embassy's have it set up, when I got my working holiday visa to New Zealand I got it the same day as I applied, Japan took a week and the one for canada took 10 days. Im sure there will be working holiday schemes that will allow people to work for a year or two without sponsorship and then after that you'd get a work visa through the company that you'd already be working for. Its more of a hassle but at least all countries will have more control over who they can let in, having a point based system isnt necessary a bad thing.
I'm sure I'll be fine eventually because of being highly qualified and young enough that I'll definitely meet any visa requirements, and it looks like they're lenient enough on the German side that I'll be able to sort it out while living there when I get there (the position starting is cutting it far closer to the deadline than I'd like...).
But if there's anyone who can fuck this up for me on a personal level, I'm sure Boris will find that way.
Even if it does all work out for me though, I'll never stop being angry that so many others are having their rights stripped away (as well as everything else that will likely happen as a result of this mess) to protect the conservative parties ass and appeal to a bunch of people who either are willfully ignorant of what this all entails, or worse are being deliberately malevolent in their foolishness.
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Ugh, I have plans to go to London early November to visit someone - flights booked etc. And I'm really scared of Brexit. It'll be chaos at the airports for weeks and weeks considering it probably wont be as easy to travel anymore... Will I need a visa? Who knows. >_>
If it's no deal your plane might not even be licensed to land in the UK
People don't want "should be OK". It is a fucking scary position to be in.
And visas can have all sorts of issues. What if you get made redundant at around renewal time, especially if we have another financial crisis (which is looking quite possible)? Relying on a visa is a fucking long way from what we have right now. I know people that have had to leave the country because of issues with work visas. Sometimes it isn't even your fault, it could be that your company doesn't feel the correct paperwork, doesn't pay the right taxes or whatever. And you are shit out of luck.
Would I be right in thinking EU countries don't have the systems in place to adhere to new UK rules if they wanted to work in the UK because there was no need before Brexit so unless you get to an embassy or similar you are screwed.
Even the criminal sharing system, we are leaving that but doing something new on our end but sort of still using their stuff.
As for the Australian point system, rest of the world immigration is already a cluster fuck in the UK which they don't touch with a barge pole and they'll somehow nail this in 2 months? Come the fuck on.
It's a joke, cost, complication, red tape. Brexit is a con, a dangerous one.
I will laugh if they do a freedom of movement deal with India for a trade deal though, all old Brexiters might all have heart attacks.
Even the criminal sharing system, we are leaving that but doing something new on our end but sort of still using their stuff.
As for the Australian point system, rest of the world immigration is already a cluster fuck in the UK which they don't touch with a barge pole and they'll somehow nail this in 2 months? Come the fuck on.
It's a joke, cost, complication, red tape. Brexit is a con, a dangerous one.
I will laugh if they do a freedom of movement deal with India for a trade deal though, all old Brexiters might all have heart attacks.
Every single retired old fucker that has retired to Spain and still voted Brexit should be deported back to the UK so they can enjoy the country tanking with the rest of us.
Brexit is a sabotage brought upon us by fascists, racists, enemy states, and businesses that want to exploit us while we're down.
Brexit is a sabotage brought upon us by fascists, racists, enemy states, and businesses that want to exploit us while we're down.