I would have found it more replayable if they added some visual variety/different music in the shrines, if there was more variation with the formula of reaching the divine beasts, and if there was unique dungeons within them.
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Breath of The Wild Released Four Years Ago. Has any other game had a shot at claiming the title "Best of All Time" since then?
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Completely agree, and those are my largest complaints with the game too. There's just a huge lack of variety. The enemy variety is lacking and the all divine beast bosses being Ganon was very disappointing. I also thought the slate having all abilities unlocked pretty quickly was bland in terms of progression.
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96. But like I said, I don't particularly care because I don't agree with the consensus. The only Zelda game from the past decade that I'd qualify as a masterpiece is a Link Between Worlds.
Ok, I don't really care. 93 is masterpiece status imo. Just saying.
BotW is my favorite game ever anyways.
And 97 for the Switch. I already got that you don't agree with that consensus.
Wished I could of loved botw as much as many people seemed to. I don't dislike it, but it's 110% the worst 3d Zelda for me, and I always feel like I missed something considering the positive reception. Ah well.
Personally P5R and LoU2 pretty easily take it in terms of more recent games, but I adore every game on the poll besides botw.
Personally P5R and LoU2 pretty easily take it in terms of more recent games, but I adore every game on the poll besides botw.
I don't get why people want the metacritic scores to be the same as their opinion. Wouldn't you go on there to find other people's reviews/opinions?
I would put Hollow Knight and Deadcells above the items on the list. Outside of HK I would pick TLOU2. I got bored of botw a few hours in so that knocks it out of my poll and yet to try the others.
RDR2 for me is one of the most fully fleshed out and immersive worlds created in a video game. The amount of time, passion, and careful thought that went into creating that world and all of the incredible stories shows every time you boot up the game. It's a labor of love.
This is me. Both of these games really made me feel something whereas Breath of the Wild was a fun but a bit of a grind and pretty hollow for me.On a personal level, BOTW was nowhere close to being the best game of all time. Solid 7/10 for me.
I liked these more:
The Last of Us 2
or
Red Dead Redemption 2
Also Sekiro. Such an amazing and tight experience.
Yeah, OoT that was an amazing Zelda, the game left me emotional, when Link returns to his childhood and meets Zelda again. Botw, cool exploration, but it just ends oh.
Bloodborne released 6 years ago, so no, none since then.
Well, Into the Breach and Spelunky 2 released in the interim, but I guess it's apples to oranges.
Well, Into the Breach and Spelunky 2 released in the interim, but I guess it's apples to oranges.
You're right.
I mostly more or less already agree with Metacritic, + or - 5% mostly. Only rarely did I disagree strongly and then it was because I found a game way better.
Front and foremost it's a good place to find alot of reviews, to find out wether you will like a game or not before making a purchase decision.
Agreed. But there is still alot of room for improvement with the sequel, so I think BotW2 has a good chance in being better than BotW.
Breath of the Wild wasn't even my favorite game that year. Horizon took that for me.
BotW is good, but I don't have any overwhelming feelings about it like a lot of people do. I found it to be quite a chore when I had to finally engage with the main quest to complete the game. Exploration is that games strength. Combat and the narrative were boring and unengaging.
Consequently, there are quite a few games I've enjoyed more in the interim.
BotW is good, but I don't have any overwhelming feelings about it like a lot of people do. I found it to be quite a chore when I had to finally engage with the main quest to complete the game. Exploration is that games strength. Combat and the narrative were boring and unengaging.
Consequently, there are quite a few games I've enjoyed more in the interim.
Breath of the Wild is almost perfect and was pretty much a magical gaming experience for me. Its absolutely the GOAT in my mind.
GOW is absolutely incredible and comes close, it very much deserves to be in the conversation. RDR2 is a brilliant masterpiece as well but has a lot more letting it down.
I'm not sure Hades does deserve to be called the best but I think its the other game I've played since 2017 which is on the level of quality of the three I mentioned.
GOW is absolutely incredible and comes close, it very much deserves to be in the conversation. RDR2 is a brilliant masterpiece as well but has a lot more letting it down.
I'm not sure Hades does deserve to be called the best but I think its the other game I've played since 2017 which is on the level of quality of the three I mentioned.
Sure, any of those game can be considered GOAT. I personally enjoyed RDR2 and TLOU2 much more than BOTW. GOW is about on par and I'll never understand the Hollow Knight hype
TLOU2 is a great "focused" experience.
Doom Eternal had more moments of sublime "fun."
I still think BotW achieves more than either of them in terms of its systems. Almost everything about it feels well thought out and the chemistry/physics stuff makes intuitive sense without being overly complicated.
The fact that any weapon that an enemy wields can be picked up by Link more than makes up for the lame complaints about them breaking early (in my mind).
Doom Eternal had more moments of sublime "fun."
I still think BotW achieves more than either of them in terms of its systems. Almost everything about it feels well thought out and the chemistry/physics stuff makes intuitive sense without being overly complicated.
The fact that any weapon that an enemy wields can be picked up by Link more than makes up for the lame complaints about them breaking early (in my mind).
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How can a game be the best of all time?
And why are the majority if not all of the picks games that were released in the last 5-6 years?
Its kind of a weird discussion to me. I am not a fan of rankings or lists. I feel it would be very strange to say that any movie was the best of all time.
And why are the majority if not all of the picks games that were released in the last 5-6 years?
Its kind of a weird discussion to me. I am not a fan of rankings or lists. I feel it would be very strange to say that any movie was the best of all time.
I can already contradict this. Put 150 hours into Persona 5 when it released and BotW was still better than that, easily.
In terms of a widespread critical consensus, nothing since BOTW is close to it. This could already be seen with the way it dominated game of the decade lists last year. The idea of something like GOW actually topping a GOAT list from a publication or site of any significance is impossible to imagine. BOTW is the only game of the current era that would be in serious discussion for that, due in part to its greatness and novelty, but also to the lineage of its franchise.
I love how for me, "BOTW is not even the best Zelda" is a true statement and still, BOTW easily sits in my personal Top 5 single player games of all time. Like, at least 3 games in that list (that only exists in my head) are Zelda games.
Does the Zelda series even deserve to be this fucking good?
That's the real question.
Hell no. You are constantly micro managing your weapons. It's truly awful. Easily top three worst mechanics in any Zelda game. I kill a mob, and great it drops a trash tier weapon. It becomes a game of do I want to waste my good weapons on this mob or avoid it. For the vast majority of the game I'm skipping encounters for that reason alone. I don't want to constantly farm my good stuff, and then be in a position where I don't use it for fear of the items breaking. BOTW is a superb game with one of the most idiotic design decisions of all time.
Edit: It's not nearly as bad late game, but still incredibly annoying.
I prefer BotW's weapon systems to something like the Last of Us games where you can't pick up enemies' guns for no reason.
I can see why a lot of people with a bit of a hoarder mentality would feel bad, but I got over that quickly.
If you engage in combat you'll end up swimming is so many weapons that the only waste you'll be doing is deciding whether to throw your durability + fire sword into the canyon or your electric spear into the canyon because you just found an ice sword and you really want to make space for it. I never once asked myself "do I have to waste this weapon" but instead found myself laughing at how absurd it is that a weapon tier I once cherished is now on the chopping block because everything else I've found since then has surpassed it.
The game is designed so that the more combat you engage in, the more weapons you find. Those weapons become stronger & stronger. And if you absolutely, positively cannot live without a specific weapon in your arsenal, the game allows you to drop pins on the map for where specific weapons spawn every blood moon which happens, coincidentally, when you kill more enemies.
You get the ammo from their weapons instead which makes sense in a game where you already have a set of weapons you're upgrading.
Melee weapons though? You could steal them from enemies mid fight which had unique animations.
Same complaint about the ammo. It just feels like the game is constantly making calculations about how many bullets you should have.
Guy who has been shooting at you for five minutes straight conveniently used his last bullet right before you killed him.
Red Dead being boring is a pretty common complaint I hear. Not saying it's right, but people shouldn't act surprised. Still haven't tried Last of us 2, but I just beat the first game and man...what an amazing time.
It's hard, but like if BOTW is a 100 in my bring Outer WIlds is a 99.
Added bonus, my kid liked playing BOTW a lot more with me than Outer Wilds.
So I actually played Outer Wilds before BOTW and I have to say they might be both up there for me. The only difference being that while Outer Wilds had my mind going for days even when I wasn't playing it, I did they with BOTW but enjoyed playing BOTW more.
It's hard, but like if BOTW is a 100 in my bring Outer WIlds is a 99.
Added bonus, my kid liked playing BOTW a lot more with me than Outer Wilds.
BotW wasn't my favorite game of that year, that went to Mario Odyssey and Persona 5 for me, but I do think it did do a lot for the gaming landscape and was a very good game. Since then I've probably played other games I like more too, but I won't discount what BotW did.
Hollow Knight would be the only candidate for me, personally. I appreciate the others for their quality, but I just found them boring to play after awhile. HK had me hooked all the way through.
People like ranking and listing things, it's a pretty common thing. I think it's only weird when it's taken too seriously, like believing there actually exists a definitive list.
I think BOTW is the only contender for GOAT since its release for me. But I still think it is unable to match the perfection of Chrono Trigger.
It nails the open world thing better than anything I've played and I really enjoyed all of the emergent gameplay scenarios. It's certainly the best game I've played in a few generations. Maybe Mario Galaxy comes close. But not much else for me, personally.
Hollow Knight is also fantastic, and feels like one of the best metroidvania games around. But it's not a GOAT contender for me due to the absurd difficulty ceiling for some of the DLC.
It nails the open world thing better than anything I've played and I really enjoyed all of the emergent gameplay scenarios. It's certainly the best game I've played in a few generations. Maybe Mario Galaxy comes close. But not much else for me, personally.
Hollow Knight is also fantastic, and feels like one of the best metroidvania games around. But it's not a GOAT contender for me due to the absurd difficulty ceiling for some of the DLC.
People falsely claim that the game is designed to avoid combat because it wastes good weapons when the literal opposite is true. See ya later lightning spear! I'll find a stronger version of you in 15 minutes. For now, it's time for some ice great sword mayhem that I just found sitting on the floor.
Say you are like me and don't use two handed weapons at all. They feel bad for me to use, and I don't use them for that reason alone. Now the pool of weapons I can use is cut dramatically. I can't just go and do every encounter. I can only really do encounters for one handed weapons or spears. So the entire design of the game breaks. I'm now forced to use weapons types I don't enjoy using at all, or I can farm for those weapon types I do like.
Farming for weapon types I do like is problematic because I'm going to be forced to use two handed weapons to save the durability of the other one handed weapons or spears I have. It's a major problem early and mid game. It's alleviated somewhat end game, but it's still a problem. The worst part is that the combat in BOTW is really great. Just a shame they added this layer of micromanagement.