I second this. Both are amazing experiences in their own way. Impossible for me to pick one.
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Breath of The Wild Released Four Years Ago. Has any other game had a shot at claiming the title "Best of All Time" since then?
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I second this. Both are amazing experiences in their own way. Impossible for me to pick one.
Critically? No.
For me personally, BOTW was never even in my top 10. FE3H, PMD: Explorers of Sky and Yakuza 0, among others, are all way above it.
For me personally, BOTW was never even in my top 10. FE3H, PMD: Explorers of Sky and Yakuza 0, among others, are all way above it.
Is that so? LGBT character has gained much representation in media lately. Netflix has bunch of shows with them, there are lot of great movies coming with them. It's not that new in gaming too! life of strange and various independent games have them. Nowadays LGBT characters are, i won't say properly represented but its safe enough that corporations greenlights them. And this ultimately doesn't refute my point. When I say "sanitized" I mean sanitized in terms of VideoGame tropes, design, style that would pander to the largest audience possible. Which botw decidedly breaks from that's why it'll be a landmark in VideoGame Canon. Tlou2 has LGBT characters, i appreciate them, and they deserve the applaud they got for it. But ultimately they don't affect game design.
For your 2nd statement frankly I don't think that tlou2 would've even crossed tlou. You'll know soon when the game of generation lists roll around. These things are super easy to predict.
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Corporate and sanitized is a very weird and counterintuitive way to describe TLoU2, a game that managed to upset a lot of people with it's depictions of violence and ugliness. I think this is an instance of you being incapable of looking beyond your biases or your failure to understand the breadth of what goes into being a video game.
It still is BOTW, but I feel like Persona 5 is really close. God of War is my vote from the list provided by OP in the poll.
On a personal level, BOTW was nowhere close to being the best game of all time. Solid 7/10 for me.
I liked these more:
The Last of Us 2
or
Red Dead Redemption 2
on a personal level, I haven't played tlou2as I found tlou dull in gameplay and rdr2 totally not my thing
botw is up there for my personal gotf
There's a typo. Voted for Red Dead Redemption, assuming you obviously meant RDR2.
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Wait, "Best of All Time" is an extraordinarily subjective statement, why is the OP acting like BotW wins by default?
Also it's either Super Mario 3D World or A Link Between Worlds.
Also it's either Super Mario 3D World or A Link Between Worlds.
I don't think there's such a thing as a "best of all time". I really liked BotW, God of War and RDR2, but much smaller games are equally memorable to me, such as The Witness, Disco Elysium, Outer Wilds or Return of the Obra Dinn.
Breath of the Wild is certainly a better GOAT pick than Red Dead Redemption 2 or The Last of Us 2. Unlike those two games, BotW actually has amazing gameplay.
For me personally though, my GOAT may be Diablo II. That game was in the right place at the right time for me, and my friends and I spent countless hours playing it online and over a lan.
For me personally though, my GOAT may be Diablo II. That game was in the right place at the right time for me, and my friends and I spent countless hours playing it online and over a lan.
Other than BotW, can't really think of a game that is quite up there for me. Played TLOU2, God of War, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, and I'm sure plenty other brilliant games I'm forgetting right now. Maybe Mario Odyssey could be one.
Looking at this thread, I really need to check out RDR2, Hollow Knight and Outer Wilds. The latter is a surprise tip for me, don't really know what to expect so I'm excited.
Looking at this thread, I really need to check out RDR2, Hollow Knight and Outer Wilds. The latter is a surprise tip for me, don't really know what to expect so I'm excited.
It was pretty extraordinary. An incredible experience. And yet I haven't felt the need to play it again. Feels like a game I really need to forget in order to want to experience it again. I need to feel awed again and that won't happen while I still remember what's over the next ridge.
It was surpassed the very next year
Idk if I would say surpassed but yes I think this is the best game that has come out since then
Outer Wilds is definitely up there. It is utterly unique, deeply affecting and has possibly the best conclusion of any game ever.
But it's still unfortunately such a hard recommendation. It's so easy to get turned off by the spaceship controls and the complete lack of handholding before it begins to unfold and get its hooks into you. I've recommended it to friends only to have them drop it early, and it breaks my heart :(
It's a truly special game. I just wish it was as universally accessible as Breath of the Wild.
But it's still unfortunately such a hard recommendation. It's so easy to get turned off by the spaceship controls and the complete lack of handholding before it begins to unfold and get its hooks into you. I've recommended it to friends only to have them drop it early, and it breaks my heart :(
It's a truly special game. I just wish it was as universally accessible as Breath of the Wild.
Agreed. After Wii U misstep Nintendo has had an amazing turnaround and their software output is unmatched in the industry.
To OP, yes, BotW is simply the best game released so far and overcomes OoT as an evergreen title that will be remembered for decades to come as a game that made Zelda great again but also made bold moves to upgrade the series to a new level.
None of the listed games come even close.
Breath of the Wild is an incredible achievement, commercially, critically, you name it. I've had casual friends saying how much fun they had exploring the world and getting caught up with the game's chemistry engine shenanigans, as well as game design students screaming as they put the game under their looking glasses to get a closer look at the scope and brilliance of what Nintendo achieved after five years of toil and hardship.
It's my favorite game ever made, I cherish it so much and consider the memories that I have with it some of my dearest. I think it ticks so hard, and so much, in the way that it aims for so many aspects of fundamental game design elements and rules of play and rings them all home. It nails so, so much - the sense of freedom, player agency, scale and scope, tactile feedback and intensity, all with that signature Nintendo polish and attention to detail and sheer, peerless perfectionism at display.
I won't say that it runs in circles around games like RDR2 and The Last of Us Part 2, because those are fantastic games in their own right. But you can easily proclaim Breath of the Wild the GOAT and walk away from the conversation in good faith.
(Poll is missing Nier: Automata, though)
It's my favorite game ever made, I cherish it so much and consider the memories that I have with it some of my dearest. I think it ticks so hard, and so much, in the way that it aims for so many aspects of fundamental game design elements and rules of play and rings them all home. It nails so, so much - the sense of freedom, player agency, scale and scope, tactile feedback and intensity, all with that signature Nintendo polish and attention to detail and sheer, peerless perfectionism at display.
I won't say that it runs in circles around games like RDR2 and The Last of Us Part 2, because those are fantastic games in their own right. But you can easily proclaim Breath of the Wild the GOAT and walk away from the conversation in good faith.
(Poll is missing Nier: Automata, though)
I love FF7R, Prey (2017), Hollow Knight and Tlou2, but nothing comes close to Botw. This gen we had only one game that it's even better than it, and it's Bloodborne.
There's plenty of games I'd put in the same general leauge as BOTW... BOTW does some fantastic and special things, but it's not in a league of its own. It has shortcomings too, and there's no shortage of other games out there doing great things of their own.
Hell, 2017 alone had plenty of marvelous games to choose from... Mario Odyssey, Nier Automata, Cuphead, Yakuza 0, and Persona 5, just to name a few.
Hell, 2017 alone had plenty of marvelous games to choose from... Mario Odyssey, Nier Automata, Cuphead, Yakuza 0, and Persona 5, just to name a few.
BOTW is nowhere close to be the best Zelda game for me, not even to consider putting it into my all time favorite games list, lol; It is a 7/10 game, which is solid game though. It really nails some aspects but some others are directly awful (awful weapon degradation, sub-par, short & easy dungeons, awful bosses, lame story and side quests).
I had a more engaging experience with God Of War, Outer Wilds, Hollow Knight, Disco Elysium; So excuse me, but I think those games I mentioned blow BOTW out of the water.
I had a more engaging experience with God Of War, Outer Wilds, Hollow Knight, Disco Elysium; So excuse me, but I think those games I mentioned blow BOTW out of the water.
We are talking about the best game and not a collection of good stories. Too many people confuse games with good stories as "best games." The Witcher 3 is notorious for being annoying to play, but the world and story are top tier.
From the games i played:
Hollow Knight is a great game. The atmosphere, mechanics and the feel of the game a great. But it just doesn't feel influential, since it draws many aspect of games like Metroid and Dark Souls in a very obvious way. A "Greatest of All Time" game should start a new era and Hollow Knight is "just" an extremely great game.
The Last of Us 2 is fine. I feel, people look at the story and production value more, then to the actual gameplay. Here the Last of Us 2 is just very basic. The level-design is extremely drawn out, the mission- and encounter-design doesn't have much variation and as a semi-stealth game it misses all the fun tools. It lives from it scale and ambition, but less in actual substance.
TLoZ: Breath of the Wild is clearly a "Greatest of All Time" game in my opinion. People still talk about it, have opinions and four years later it still sells greatly. It has the whole package of great gameplay, an unique interactive world and a small sympathetic story with many charming characters. Breath of the Wild is also one of those games, which looks very simple and obvious on the outside. But if you do something well, people will not notice all the work, you actually put into something.
Hollow Knight is a great game. The atmosphere, mechanics and the feel of the game a great. But it just doesn't feel influential, since it draws many aspect of games like Metroid and Dark Souls in a very obvious way. A "Greatest of All Time" game should start a new era and Hollow Knight is "just" an extremely great game.
The Last of Us 2 is fine. I feel, people look at the story and production value more, then to the actual gameplay. Here the Last of Us 2 is just very basic. The level-design is extremely drawn out, the mission- and encounter-design doesn't have much variation and as a semi-stealth game it misses all the fun tools. It lives from it scale and ambition, but less in actual substance.
TLoZ: Breath of the Wild is clearly a "Greatest of All Time" game in my opinion. People still talk about it, have opinions and four years later it still sells greatly. It has the whole package of great gameplay, an unique interactive world and a small sympathetic story with many charming characters. Breath of the Wild is also one of those games, which looks very simple and obvious on the outside. But if you do something well, people will not notice all the work, you actually put into something.
TLOU2 is a fantastic game and the best one on the PS4.
BOTW saved the Zelda series and is one of the best games of all time.
BOTW saved the Zelda series and is one of the best games of all time.
The Last of Us 2 is the same gameplay as the first game and it got tiring during the first game.
I did every challenge in GoW and beat all the Valkyries, but it's combat system isn't even the best in its genre when you have the Devil May Cry series and Bayonetta.
I don't think anyone has ever claimed in good will that the Witcher 3 has great gameplay. It's serviceable, but people are mostly there for the world, story, and characters.
I would talk about BoTW and Hollow Knight in the same breath because they are defined by their gameplay, but they are enhanced by things like world/level design, lore, characters, music, etc.
