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Finalrush

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Dec 7, 2017
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That CNN article about Trump celebrating is depressing :(
Just read that, looks like it's making a lot of huge assumptions. Trump isn't celebrating anything, he hasn't even mentioned the investigation at all -- his aides are going with the same story they always have, which means nothing since they haven't seen the report.
 

GeoMack

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Oct 25, 2017
434
Chill people. This final report is hardly the end of anything. Mueller and his office are still going to be working for years, not too mention the countless other agencies that have ongoing investigations continuing. There's also stuff that wouldn't even be included in this report.
 

hendersonhank

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Oct 27, 2017
1,390
Chill people. This final report is hardly the end of anything. Mueller and his office are still going to be working for years, not too mention the countless other agencies that have ongoing investigations continuing. There's also stuff that wouldn't even be included in this report.

Mueller is going back to his private job or retirement, his office is closed, and all the prosecutors have left. No, neither he nor his office are still going to be working one more day, much less for years.
 

FeistyBoots

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Oct 27, 2017
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That CNN article is hot garbage. Verbiage about trump being "bathed in a golden light", calling proven obstruction a "byword for his opponents referring to his shambolic presidency" (HE ADMITTED IT ON LIVE TELEVISION YOU DOWNPLAYING FUCKS)... absolute obsequious horseshit.
 

Terminus

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Oct 30, 2017
1,874
Chill people. This final report is hardly the end of anything. Mueller and his office are still going to be working for years, not too mention the countless other agencies that have ongoing investigations continuing. There's also stuff that wouldn't even be included in this report.

This seems... wrong.
 

Casa

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Oct 25, 2017
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You really want someone to be banned just for publishing different opinions than you?
No, I want the tweets banned because he's a serial bad faith idiot. Making it sound like becasue there have been no Americans indicted that this has all been a waste of time and that people are suckers if they bought in.
 

stew

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Dec 2, 2017
4,188
Those who were working on the investigation are moving on to prosecutorial roles for stuff handed off, I think.
There's for instance the case of the company owned by a foreign country which went to the Supreme Court. The prosecutor who was working for Mueller will continue his work.
Something could com from the Stone Case.
Rick Gates is still cooperating.

Not saying it will affect Trump in some way, but they're still working.
 

skullmuffins

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Oct 25, 2017
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Chill people. This final report is hardly the end of anything. Mueller and his office are still going to be working for years, not too mention the countless other agencies that have ongoing investigations continuing. There's also stuff that wouldn't even be included in this report.
Mueller is gone. The Special Counsel's office is closing.


Statement from Peter Carr, spokesman for the special counsel's office: "The Special Counsel will be concluding his service in the coming days. A small number of staff will remain to assist in closing the operations of the office for a period of time."



also just want to point out that "Mueller was hired to investigate, not prosecute, so the report isn't the end - he's just handing off the prosecution of his findings" is literally Louise Mensch's take rn, so for the folks in the thread entertaining that idea: maybe reconsider?
 

Terminus

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Oct 30, 2017
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also just want to point out that "Mueller was hired to investigate, not prosecute, so the report isn't the end - he's just handing off the prosecution of his findings" is literally Louise Mensch's take rn, so for the folks in the thread entertaining that idea: maybe reconsider?


How is she still running the same grift over two years later

How the hell does she have over 250,000 followers
 

thuway

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Oct 27, 2017
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Cnn reporting no further indictments. Time to let the Russia thing go and use the power of our vote in 2020.
 

Sokrates

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Oct 27, 2017
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No, I want the tweets banned because he's a serial bad faith idiot. Making it sound like becasue there have been no Americans indicted that this has all been a waste of time and that people are suckers if they bought in.

The only Americans indicted were for decades-old crimes unrelated to the Russia affair. The Russian troll farmers were indicted for interference and conspiracy, but not for actually collusion. And they will never see the inside of a jail cell, let alone a courtroom.

All of that righteous energy wasted when we could have had mass movements for better wages, healthcare, schooling, and climate change action. And don't forget the air time taken away from Puerto Rico.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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The only Americans indicted were for decades-old crimes unrelated to the Russia affair. The Russian troll farmers were indicted for interference and conspiracy, but not for actually collusion. And they will never see the inside of a jail cell, let alone a courtroom.

All of that righteous energy wasted when we could have had mass movements for better wages, healthcare, schooling, and climate change action. And don't forget the air time taken away from Puerto Rico.
Collusion is a meaningless term with regards to the federal criminal code.
 

Finalrush

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Dec 7, 2017
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The only Americans indicted were for decades-old crimes unrelated to the Russia affair. The Russian troll farmers were indicted for interference and conspiracy, but not for actually collusion. And they will never see the inside of a jail cell, let alone a courtroom.

All of that righteous energy wasted when we could have had mass movements for better wages, healthcare, schooling, and climate change action. And don't forget the air time taken away from Puerto Rico.
At least four of trump's top aides were investigated as unregistered foreign agents, what are you talking about?
 

sapien85

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Nov 8, 2017
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The only Americans indicted were for decades-old crimes unrelated to the Russia affair. The Russian troll farmers were indicted for interference and conspiracy, but not for actually collusion. And they will never see the inside of a jail cell, let alone a courtroom.

All of that righteous energy wasted when we could have had mass movements for better wages, healthcare, schooling, and climate change action. And don't forget the air time taken away from Puerto Rico.

There is no crime called collusion.
 

stew

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Dec 2, 2017
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Neal Katyal who wrote the Special Counsel regulations, wrote this article a month ago:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/opinion/mueller-report-trump-democrats-barr.html
This news may be disappointing, for various reasons, to the president's critics and supporters alike. But the ultimate result is a good one. It means the truth is likely to come out — maybe not on the timetable anyone wants, but it will. So whenever Mr. Mueller turns in his report, do not assume that things are over. Like "The king is dead, long live the King," the investigations here serve a purpose that transcends any one individual or law enforcement entity. This is the architecture of our Constitution, which is designed to ferret out high-level wrongdoing through a variety of channels for the American public to see.
 

Finalrush

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Dec 7, 2017
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Right, but that doesn't necessarily mean lawyers involved in the SC investigation are moving on to those.
I'll need to look around for this info but I thought I read earlier today that specific people on his team were moving on to prosecutorial roles in some of those cases. I'll look into it.
Isn't patribotics Louise Mensch?
No idea who that is, just needed the news clip.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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The only Americans indicted were for decades-old crimes unrelated to the Russia affair. The Russian troll farmers were indicted for interference and conspiracy, but not for actually collusion. And they will never see the inside of a jail cell, let alone a courtroom.

All of that righteous energy wasted when we could have had mass movements for better wages, healthcare, schooling, and climate change action. And don't forget the air time taken away from Puerto Rico.

We have mass movements for all of those, including Puerto Rico.
 

stew

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Dec 2, 2017
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I'll need to look around for this info but I thought I read earlier today that specific people on his team were moving on to prosecutorial roles in some of those cases. I'll look into it.
They also talked about it on CNN yesterday. Specifically the case related to the company owned by a foreign country, which is believed to be Rosneft.
 

FreezePeach

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Oct 25, 2017
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Still waiting for the Kush and Jr. indictments to drop. Any day now... It's almost as if the media screwed this up again.
Dont know what you are getting at but you said a completely wrong thing and said it in the trollish way possible in response to a comment pointing out that exact fact. Americans were charged for modern crimes related to the campaign and investigation because they lied and manipulated other witnesses during the Mueller investigation. There is a possible chance the report is inconclusive because everyone on board stonewalled and lied, and are now going to jail for it. You simply take the bs claim that because some of Manafort's charges were related to past crimes that it applies everywhere.
 

hendersonhank

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Oct 27, 2017
1,390
Still waiting for the Kush and Jr. indictments to drop. Any day now... It's almost as if the media screwed this up again.

Wow never thought I'd see an "any day now" post here. Next up from Sokrates: "we should be investigating the collusion between Hillary and Obama's DOJ in which they made a phony dossier so that they could illegally spy on the Trump campaign". Or maybe a dash of Uranium One?
 

hendersonhank

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I don't think it was reasonable to expect they'd indict the sitting president's family for crimes of a political nature. That would be reckless.

There's nothing "reckless" about indicting someone whom you have evidence of crimes from. That's literally Mueller's job. If he didn't indict and they didn't flip, it's because he does not have enough evidence to prosecute, or possibly any evidence that they did anything criminal.
 

Finalrush

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There's nothing "reckless" about indicting someone whom you have evidence of crimes from. That's literally Mueller's job. If he didn't indict and they didn't flip, it's because he does not have enough evidence to prosecute, or possibly any evidence that they did anything criminal.
That is NOT Mueller's job. His job is to investigate and report, not necessarily to prosecute.
 

Vas

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's nothing "reckless" about indicting someone whom you have evidence of crimes from. That's literally Mueller's job. If he didn't indict and they didn't flip, it's because he does not have enough evidence to prosecute, or possibly any evidence that they did anything criminal.

It's not 'literally' his job. He's not a special prosecutor.
 

GeoMack

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Oct 25, 2017
434
Mueller is going back to his private job or retirement, his office is closed, and all the prosecutors have left. No, neither he nor his office are still going to be working one more day, much less for years.

Source? Are they conflating his work as the special counsel and his criminal investigation? There are still many overlapping counter-intelligence and congressional investigations ongoing.

His office still has 10 prosecutors and others who have left are still doing work. They are going to be prosecuting Stone in November, they are still directly involved in the Gates, Flynn and Kian cases as well.
 

stew

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Dec 2, 2017
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Mueller has been appointed by the DOJ, he works for them. He had to report to Rosenstein who then allowed him to prosecute Manafort, Gates, Flynn etc... He could let the DOJ decide on a very important issue after providing them his work, because he feels it's not his job but DOJ's job.
 

XMonkey

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Oct 26, 2017
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The only Americans indicted were for decades-old crimes unrelated to the Russia affair. The Russian troll farmers were indicted for interference and conspiracy, but not for actually collusion. And they will never see the inside of a jail cell, let alone a courtroom.

All of that righteous energy wasted when we could have had mass movements for better wages, healthcare, schooling, and climate change action. And don't forget the air time taken away from Puerto Rico.
If all you're gonna do is post bullshit then spare us.
 

Clefargle

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Oct 25, 2017
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The only Americans indicted were for decades-old crimes unrelated to the Russia affair. The Russian troll farmers were indicted for interference and conspiracy, but not for actually collusion. And they will never see the inside of a jail cell, let alone a courtroom.

All of that righteous energy wasted when we could have had mass movements for better wages, healthcare, schooling, and climate change action. And don't forget the air time taken away from Puerto Rico.

What do you mean "effort wasted"? We haven't read the report yet, and there have been many other investigations spawned from this
 
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