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Rover

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,440
Let me explain to you why the "it's no one's fault" take is wrong:

This is about Trump's hubris completely stunting any capacity to lead the nation.

This is a president who was inaugurated on the positive swing of a recovering economy. This gave him the room to lead like a blustering fool in many ways, and one of the most evident factors here is the many, many replacements and shake-ups of his cabinet and staff. It's been nothing but disorder and chaos over there. Career officials and experts getting run out of their positions, replaced with sycophants and grifters. Even those grifters couldn't stay in place before long. There was little hope that anybody over there could put together a solid plan.

There has been no effective leadership since 2017, and we've seen it fall apart in several ways, among them the brutal and draconian immigration crisis, the failed North Korea talks, the failed Middle East talks, and the deadly lack of effective response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico. Especially with that last one, we have already got an ample preview of how managing a disaster would go for this admin.

The point is, the stock market trending upward (practically on inertia alone, despite his taking credit for it), is Trump's claim that his admin's confused and angry policy was effective leadership. He broke a lot of plates, claiming "we're rich anyway, who cares!". And now, we need something to eat on. That's the hubris. But moreover, this is not the first time the Trump admin botches the recovery plan on a disaster, it's simply the biggest one yet.


So before you wipe Trump's responsibility from what you're seeing today, think about how we got to this moment, how ill-prepared we were for it, and how much Trump claimed our market bubble as this divine sign that racism, corruption, bad disaster response and MAGA-ism was doing a great job.
 

Rendering...

Member
Oct 30, 2017
19,089
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An actual genius. A family of geniuses.
 

meowdi gras

Banned
Feb 24, 2018
12,679
Trump has been systematically destroying America with his greed, racism, and incompetence since day one of his term. Now, thanks to his stripping our government of any ability to properly respond to a crisis and propagating a bullshit narrative, the economy is in free fall and you will likely see hundreds of thousands of corpses littering the national landscape in the coming months.

And you still have people swooping in here to defend him and award him benefit of doubt. Utterly pathetic and disgusting.
 

zero_suit

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,585
Trump has been systematically destroying America with his greed, racism, and incompetence since day one of his term. Now, thanks to his stripping our government of any ability to properly respond to a crisis and propagating a bullshit narrative, the economy is in free fall and you will likely see hundreds of thousands of corpses littering the national landscape in the coming months.

And you still have people swooping in here to defend him and award him benefit of doubt. Utterly pathetic and disgusting.
There's a defense force for everything.
 

Ensorcell

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,493
Trump has been systematically destroying America with his greed, racism, and incompetence since day one of his term. Now, thanks to his stripping our government of any ability to properly respond to a crisis and propagating a bullshit narrative, the economy is in free fall and you will likely see hundreds of thousands of corpses littering the national landscape in the coming months.

And you still have people swooping in here to defend him and award him benefit of doubt. Utterly pathetic and disgusting.
Here as in Resetera? I find that hard to believe.
 

Korigama

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,611
People are literally hoarding toilet paper and had to have rules set in place to stop going to public places while a virus is loose.
These same people voted against their interests in the Democratic Primaries so far.

Don't count your chickens yet.
We're still calling it this around here every time anyone chose not to vote for Bernie, huh?
 
Nov 1, 2017
1,146
Trump has been systematically destroying America with his greed, racism, and incompetence since day one of his term. Now, thanks to his stripping our government of any ability to properly respond to a crisis and propagating a bullshit narrative, the economy is in free fall and you will likely see hundreds of thousands of corpses littering the national landscape in the coming months.

And you still have people swooping in here to defend him and award him benefit of doubt. Utterly pathetic and disgusting.

A lot of people are terrible at critical thinking and linking patterns. Or they are disingenuous. Or both. It's not like he's been sitting on his hands this whole time.
 

Version 3.0

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,310
The left: this isn't entirely Trump's fault
The right: this is entirely Obama's fault

If this happened with Obama in office:

The left: this isn't entirely Obama's fault
The right: this is entirely Obama's fault
 

efr

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Jun 19, 2019
2,893
We're still calling it this around here every time anyone chose not to vote for Bernie, huh?
How do you expect a cordial response from this?
"We're still putting our hopes into a Wall Street backed candidate who has more baggage than Clinton, huh?"
Does that work?
 

Netherscourge

Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,031
Hate to say it but the Novel Coronavirus gives him all the excuse he needs for the market crash.

I honestly don't think this will hurt him in the election. He may still lose to Biden, but I don't think it'll be because of the pandemic.
 

Betty

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
17,604
Hate to say it but the Novel Coronavirus gives him all the excuse he needs for the market crash.

I honestly don't think this will hurt him in the election. He may still lose to Biden, but I don't think it'll be because of the pandemic.

He called it a hoax.

Then said it was contained.

Finally admitting it was a national emergency.

Had he handled it better, sure I might slightly agree but nah, the buck stops with him.
 

smurfx

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,628
Hate to say it but the Novel Coronavirus gives him all the excuse he needs for the market crash.

I honestly don't think this will hurt him in the election. He may still lose to Biden, but I don't think it'll be because of the pandemic.
there are gonna be a lot of unemployed people once we start coming out of this pandemic. those people don't usually vote for the incumbent. there is plenty of proof trump screwed up his response to the virus and made things worse than they should have. if trump wants to take all the credit for the highs of the stock market then he must also take credit for the lows.
 

Byakuya769

Avenger
Oct 29, 2017
2,718
The ads are writing theirselves. Especially with Bloomberg $$$s pumping them out.

COVID-19 is the exact type of crisis rational people feared this idiot would have to deal with as President.
 

Seesaw15

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,824
Hate to say it but the Novel Coronavirus gives him all the excuse he needs for the market crash.

I honestly don't think this will hurt him in the election. He may still lose to Biden, but I don't think it'll be because of the pandemic.

His base won't care but we have months worth of video footage/tweets of Trump saying COVID was a hoax,just the flu,be over in a month, I take no responsibility, not listening to the CDC etc. The virus was always going to hurt the economy but a competent leader that didn't cut the pandemic office would have been more prepared.

The negative ads write themselves.
 

Netherscourge

Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,031
Gallup has him at like 50% post-impeachment. He's down to 44%.

Biggest change is a 7% drop with independent voters. I don't like Biden but Biden should be able to alley oop this into a win because he's strongest with the suburbs and more moderate 1980-1990 Republican voters.

Well, let's hope he doesn't try to delay the election until 2021 due to the virus. I hope he needs House vote for that.
 

Deleted member 6949

User requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
7,786
Right now I'm feeling like 90% existential dread and 10% utter glee that the stock market was annihilated during Trump's presidency and Mitch McConnell is being forced to pass temporary universal basic income.
 
Oct 28, 2017
4,970
Well, let's hope he doesn't try to delay the election until 2021 due the the virus.

Even if he does that somehow, I don't think he's going to last because he just doesn't like the whole aspect of governance and neither do the Republicans.

Post-recession (yes, I think we're headed towards a global recession) measures always take time to see the results. Trump took credit for Obama's (lop sided) recovery and John Howard became Australia's longest serving prime minister off the back of Paul Keating. Delaying the election will probably make it worse for him in all honesty.
 

Korigama

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,611
How do you expect a cordial response from this?
"We're still putting our hopes into a Wall Street backed candidate who has more baggage than Clinton, huh?"
Does that work?
People on this forum and on Twitter who hate him can continue to insist that he's Hillary 2.0 as much as they like, absolutely nothing points to that aligning with the public's perception of him (or the actual primary results of Biden vs. Sanders compared to Clinton vs. Sanders four years ago).

And that response is only sidestepping the implications that any given voting demographic not supporting your favorite is too dumb to know what's good for them.
 
Oct 25, 2017
16,738
All of this is going to be interesting in the next few weeks. IF they agree to give people $1000. While that's something it's hardly anything. How do you even know if you qualify for it? When do they decide this whole thing is over to stop sending checks? Like many said. A lot of businesses will be hurting and alot of people will be out of work even if this is over.
 
Oct 28, 2017
4,970
And said business venture which basically gives the house an advantage. How the fuck do you fail when all the odds of walking away with people's money are all stacked in your favor?

Casinos can absolutely lose money on an unlucky day. Trump's casino failing isn't too surprising, Atlantic City blows compared to Vegas, which isn't just casinos and sleaze but has a lot of great family friendly and non-sexual or gambling activities to enjoy. No one overseas has a positive image of Atlantic City.

The problem with Trump's Atlantic City ventures is that his ego forced his casinos to compete against each other and put each other, and a lot of Atlantic City in the process, out of business. So it's really no different from what's happening now: Trump's ego causes him to make super stupid decisions that end up burning a lot of innocent people in the process.

The USA are his casinos and he's providing no leadership while they're slowly dying. All because he's desperate to keep propping up the economy that is clearly going to tank no matter what he does but his ego won't let him admit it.
 
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Ithil

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,436
Well, let's hope he doesn't try to delay the election until 2021 due to the virus. I hope he needs House vote for that.
He has literally no mechanism to do that, and furthermore, he didn't win election in 2016 to be continuously president til another election, he won a four year term that ends one way or another in January 2021. To be president past that he would have to win another term.
 

hurlex

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,143
Hate to say it but the Novel Coronavirus gives him all the excuse he needs for the market crash.

I honestly don't think this will hurt him in the election. He may still lose to Biden, but I don't think it'll be because of the pandemic.

People aren't rational. They will blame him. People don't like to hear excuses unless they have a previous bias.
 

Stinkles

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
20,459
People are literally hoarding toilet paper and had to have rules set in place to stop going to public places while a virus is loose.
These same people voted against their interests in the Democratic Primaries so far.

Don't count your chickens yet.

They voted in the vast majority of cases because they think he's the most effective candidate to beat Trump in a GE. Everything else right now is tertiary.


So you should stick to that electability argument because most of them voted before the Coronavirus crisis actually hit. Their interests were getting rid of Trump. They voted in alignment with general polling wisdom, not against their interests. Their interests and their choices will be validated or otherwise in the long term, starting with November and for god knows how long. Bernie lost the current delegate count democratically. He hasn't quit yet so applying malintent and stupdity to those voters is premature as well as faulty.

You might well turn out to be right, but not in March 2020. And you'd still be wrong about their interests right now.
 

Titik

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,490
Well this thread where I was dragged for cautioning sensible restraint has aged well...


www.resetera.com

White House considering ways to incentivize U.S. households to invest in the stock market.

This gives them a very low bar to small investments for which they could see immediate returns. Even a $100 challenge on Robinhood is better than nothing.
These things are cyclical. Don't give in to the current panic. That's how you lose money if you are already invested into the market. And I hope to god you were sensible and didn't gamble in individual stocks if you are just a basic investor.

If it wasn't the virus it would be something else.
 

efr

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Jun 19, 2019
2,893
People on this forum and on Twitter who hate him can continue to insist that he's Hillary 2.0 as much as they like, absolutely nothing points to that aligning with the public's perception of him (or the actual primary results of Biden vs. Sanders compared to Clinton vs. Sanders four years ago).

And that response is only sidestepping the implications that any given voting demographic not supporting your favorite is too dumb to know what's good for them.
You're really doing it, huh?
We just had an impeachment trial over a phone call about his son, he wasn't even running yet.
Trump just threw out Benghazi memes and her emails to get some Democrats to question their vote and vote Independent, which helped him win. You think a candidate with a history of questionable votes and a facebook/social media following of being creepy with children on camera is going to beat Trump and his army of Russian bots and MAGA? When you yourself are falling for BernieBros on Twitter?

They voted in the vast majority of cases because they think he's the most effective candidate to beat Trump in a GE. Everything else right now is tertiary.


So you should stick to that electability argument because most of them voted before the Coronavirus crisis actually hit. Their interests were getting rid of Trump. They voted in alignment with general polling wisdom, not against their interests. Their interests and their choices will be validated or otherwise in the long term, starting with November and for god knows how long. Bernie lost the current delegate count democratically. He hasn't quit yet so applying malintent and stupdity to those voters is premature as well as faulty.

You might well turn out to be right, but not in March 2020. And you'd still be wrong about their interests right now.
I'm going to be courteous here and respond, but you should realize most people don't seem to be responding to you or questioning your posts because they're afraid of being banned for upsetting a dev. Your post history shows a lot of good responses but no one replying and that kind of sucks.

The Democratic party keeps making the same mistakes over and over.
John Kerry was "electable."
Al Gore was "electable" (ex-VP with a popular President fyi)
Hilary Clinton was a life long public servant and was "electable"
Donald Trump wasn't "electable."
Yet here we are.
 

Titik

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,490
You're really doing it, huh?
We just had an impeachment trial over a phone call about his son, he wasn't even running yet.
Trump just threw out Benghazi memes and her emails to get some Democrats to question their vote and vote Independent, which helped him win. You think a candidate with a history of questionable votes and a facebook/social media following of being creepy with children on camera is going to beat Trump and his army of Russian bots and MAGA? When you yourself are falling for BernieBros on Twitter?


I'm going to be courteous here and respond, but you should realize most people don't seem to be responding to you or questioning your posts because they're afraid of being banned for upsetting a dev. Your post history shows a lot of good responses but no one replying and that kind of sucks.

The Democratic party keeps making the same mistakes over and over.
John Kerry was "electable."
Al Gore was "electable" (ex-VP with a popular President fyi)
Hilary Clinton was a life long public servant and was "electable"
Donald Trump wasn't "electable."
Yet here we are.
Biden has a penis.

That's all that needs to be said, really. And he is actually getting more votes than Hillary ever did in primary elections that have higher turnout than 2016.
 

efr

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Jun 19, 2019
2,893
Biden has a penis.

That's all that needs to be said, really. And he is actually getting more votes than Hillary ever did in primary elections that have higher turnout than 2016.
Gore and Kerry don't have penises? Bernie doesn't?
Bloomberg doesn't?
Shit.
Now I don't understand politics anymore.