How am I way off? It's about NOT requiring bail if the person isn't a danger, and if they are danger, not to use bail to essentially allow the affluent to pose that danger. Maybe I'm missing something.
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How am I way off? It's about NOT requiring bail if the person isn't a danger, and if they are danger, not to use bail to essentially allow the affluent to pose that danger. Maybe I'm missing something.
We really need to come down much harder on domestic abusers. More often than not they are ticking time bombs. At the very least they should have mandatory psych evaluations and go from there depending on the results.
I don't understand why he backed up parked his car in the driveway. You would think you would want to hide as much as possible the damage to the car. Instead you just let anyone driving by look at the damage to the front.
Totally agree. It's disgusting.
It's sociopathic behavior and completely lacking of any type of empathy to be bringing up this inane shit as people are literally still dying and being picked up off the street from this tragedy. What the fuck is wrong with some people.
Well he just ran through a bunch of kids in his own vehicle in a parade where everybody could see him. I doubt he was concerned about hiding at that point. Assumingly. But yeah driving home and parking your car like nothing happened after that is fucked up.
Bingo, bail is a totally separate issue and low bail amounts are not something to bring up here. The problem with bail is sometimes judges can throw out wild values that poor people can not afford, so they go to jail instead, even as they are not violent offenders or a flight risk. Then there's the racism.
Judges CAN hold people who are violent threats to the community or to themselves in jail, which has little to do with bail and should not be confused with what bail is supposed to do.
If there was a reason why they were unable to in this case and wanted to, we should be looking at that policy.
because you're completely missing the angle of bail being used to prop up local municipalities. Bail in many places is being used as a tool to extract wealth from poor communities.
People who do this kind of horrible shit aren't usually rational.
This is sad. A Christmas parade should be the most innocent, safest thing you could take your family too. You shouldn't have to worry about possibly dying at something like this. Lock this fuck up for life.
After the verdict it's reasonable to discuss, before it's inhumane
Absolutely tragic and during such a positive event. The use of vehicles as weapons toward crowds is terrifying. I can't imagine the sheer horror of the situation and resulting panic. My heart goes out to all those affected and their families. Absolutely sick human to do something like this.
This sounds more and more like it was someone trying to evade , ran through this parade and kept going vs any other real motivation, sounds like a total asshole. But hope to hear more about this extremely sad.
Also these parade barriers need to be way more fortified cars should not even be able to push through even at a high rate of speed.
Also these parade barriers need to be way more fortified cars should not even be able to push through even at a high rate of speed.
Guy with prior felony charges, fleeing another crime, crashes through a parade killing people.
His prior charges include domestic abuse and wreckless endangerment.
He should have been held without bail based on the first two charges alone, and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
I'm all for bail reform for weaker crimes like petty theft, or drug possession, or vandalism, or some other low end stuff.
But this guy was a danger to society way before yesterday. Domestic abuse and wreckless endangerment should have been red flags.
His prior charges include domestic abuse and wreckless endangerment.
He should have been held without bail based on the first two charges alone, and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
I'm all for bail reform for weaker crimes like petty theft, or drug possession, or vandalism, or some other low end stuff.
But this guy was a danger to society way before yesterday. Domestic abuse and wreckless endangerment should have been red flags.
This source does not seem very reputable, scanning the timeline.
I'm still not sure his intention was to attack the parade.
I didn't intend to imply that the driver was not at fault, simply that this could've been a case of reckless driving that escalated after the initial collision. I envisioned it as: he breaks onto the parade route (which people do, both out of malice and stupidity) -> he hits someone by accident while trying to force his way through through people marching -> hits the accelerator instead of the break, hitting more people -> decides "In for a penny, in for a pound" and decides to make his escape, hitting even more people.
Again, just my interpretation of the brief bit of video. We will see what the answer ultimately is. His intention absolutely could've just been to kill parade goers, that's certainly a strong possibility.
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Not trying to, that poster was being coy about some information about the driver online opinions but so far I have only seen online a tweet about star wars.
This tweet collects several videos chronologically and maps them out which helps contextualize it. From this, it does seem like the driver does try to avoid people until he gets to a bottleneck where the only options for him are to either stop or go through people.
There was based on my seeing of the videos, plenty of time where he could have stopped without hitting anyone, including in that video where he didnt hit anyone the road was pretty clear, he could have stopped.
That was horrible, absolutely horrible watching the videos, i hope he never gets out of prison. Why not just stop and surrender. fuck him, hope he burns in hell.
You can't use one example or a small sample to reform an entire system.
Though I don't agree with cash bail in general, in this case it could just be an example of a single court making a bad judgment call on letting this guy loose.
I don't think you can foresee see these kinds of horrible things in general.
That said I am all in favor of closely looking at what happened when they determined his bail and what warning signs may have existed.
Yes, there was ample opportunity for him to stop, which is why this is - at absolute, rock bottom minimum - a hit-and-run situation.
Regardless of whether the driver was malicious or reckless, they fled the scene so as not to face justice, which makes everyone they hit a case of assault or homicide.
I'm confused on how bail reform is being used here and why it's being talked about so much.
Under the current non-reformed system, he shouldn't have been let out with those charges. Under a reformed system, he shouldn't be let out with those charges.
Looking at Chicago, which implemented it, this absolutely hasn't happened and just resulted in people being released to reoffend again.
There have been several murders by people out pending trial since bail reform, while the only benefit they can point to is it cost offenders less money.
And the tens and hundreds of thousands of other cases should make bail reform (really the entire justice system) an absolute necessity.
those video's, god damn.
Hopefully he spends the rest of his life in Jail.
This dude deserves no place in society/the world, this is why we need the death penalty.
Why pay to feed him for decades in prison?
the prison industrial complex will never be subverted because this is most folks' first instinct lmao
Look, im not in favor of the death penalty but he could have stopped without hurting anyone, he could have stopped after hitting the first batch of people, dude went thru nearly the entire parade path. I dunno how you can't see red when you look and see he parked his fucking car so anyone walking down the street can see.
Because executing a single innocent person in the name of some barbaric, contorted notion of "justice" should nullify the very existence of capital punishment.
We don't know the ages of the victims yet. We just know the age range of some of the groups at the event. The "Dancing Grannies" were impacted in some way, as was a younger dance group. The severely injured are most likely going to cover a wide spectrum of ages.
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I guess I'm more "Wild West" in my thoughts on crime.
Do yourself a favor and never break into my house.
How about a trial? the poster I replied to said he should get the death penalty 'like tomorrow'.
God this thread is a nightmare of ignorance, pointless hot takes, and knees jerk blood lust. Settle down and wait for good information and for the justice system to do its job.
Exhibit A: here's this video of the defendant driving 8 blocks thru a parade
Sure do the trial first
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