https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/27/amazon-fires-brazil-to-reject-20m-pledged-by-g7
Guess planet endangering forest fires take a backseat to bruised egos.
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Brazil rejects $20 million in aid to fight Amazon forest fires, "Macron cannot even avoid a foreseeable fire in a church"
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As awful as this is, I have to admit that the two responses quotes in the OP are incredible burns (pun not intended):
Like, damn son.
Like, damn son.
Except the French prevented Notre Dame from burning to the ground. It remains to be seen whether Brazilian authorities manage (or even intend) to do the same with the Amazon.
No they didnt!
There was nothing they could do, it basically burned itself out
Beyond the pettiness, bringing up Notre Dame is ironic considering the national museum in Rio burned down not long before the fire in Paris.
In any case, the $20 million is a red herring, this is fundamentally a political problem, not a funding problem. No amount of money will make a difference while you have an administration in Brazil hostile to environmental and amazonian land rights policies, as evidenced by this outburst.
In any case, the $20 million is a red herring, this is fundamentally a political problem, not a funding problem. No amount of money will make a difference while you have an administration in Brazil hostile to environmental and amazonian land rights policies, as evidenced by this outburst.
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"We appreciate [the offer], but maybe those resources are more relevant to reforest Europe," Onyx Lorenzoni, the chief of staff to President Jair Bolsonaro, told the G1 news website.
I have some sympathy with this point of view. The UK was covered in forests, now look!
Its ridiculous for europe to basically say, we have burned our forests, but you have to look after yours (as its the only one left).
I have some sympathy with this point of view. The UK was covered in forests, now look!
Its ridiculous for europe to basically say, we have burned our forests, but you have to look after yours (as its the only one left).
Uh, no. Both are shitty talking points attempting to deflect from a real issue. No burn found except in the Amazon.
Maybe it's ridiculous, but it's still valid.
Also, there have been reforestation efforts in Europe.
Bolsonaro doesn't *want* the fires stopped, he's the one setting them to encroach on indigenous people and industrialise the Amazon. Yes, dude's unironically a Captain Planet villain.
No, that's bullshit deflection and is not true in the least.
Europe is getting reforested.
No, that's bullshit deflection and is not true in the least.
Europe is getting reforested.
That's pretty cool. I guess the people going to the cities and leaving the country, and other energy resources that wood/coal are the responsible.
I don't think it's that simplistic. He wants to develop his country's economy, which is more important to him than environmental concerns. I don't agree with his actions but on their own they do not make him any more evil than leaders of other nations.
If the world really cared about preserving the Amazon they would be paying thousands of times the sum in the OP to help countries like Brazil develop their economy through alternate paths.
Meanwhile the secretary of the environment just said that they "don't have enough money to help everyone" up there (Amazon).
Nah. They would get the money and keep burning it.
You can't buy them, they are corrupt and will take from both sides.
Nah. They would get the money and keep burning it.
You can't buy them, they are corrupt and will take from both sides.
There is a difference between an actual forest and some replanted forests. Please educate yourself before making ridiculous comments.
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Yes.
Norway, Germany and others gave a couple of billions to the government since 2008 and they still kept burning it.
Giving more money is useless, now more than ever. The carrot didn't work, time for the stick.
We're really doing a "well actually" about the Amazon rainforest?
The world will burn before people give up internet snark and whataboutism.
The world will burn before people give up internet snark and whataboutism.
I see. Interesting, I have some reading up to do.
I don't even know why they would offer this through and through corrupt government money in the first place. Not like it would be used for the intended cause anyway. I guess 20 million was too little pocket change for the shitheads in chief to risk denting their fascist nationalist agenda.
There were a bunch of posters in a previous thread claiming that the developed nations should be providing aid for Brazil. Clearly Bolsonaro does not give a single shit about that. Sorry you all were duped.
The funniest thing is that France OWNS LAND WITH THE AMAZON ON IT
Like Bolsonaro you idiot Macron is in this too
It would be like 50 times more profitable to send researchers and scientists to create new medicine and other stuff from the biodiversity, but dude is a walking chainsaw that hates native Brazilians. Like one of his main talking points during elections was to fuck with indigenous protected territory
Captain Planet villain is a pretty good analogy
Like Bolsonaro you idiot Macron is in this too
It would be like 50 times more profitable to send researchers and scientists to create new medicine and other stuff from the biodiversity, but dude is a walking chainsaw that hates native Brazilians. Like one of his main talking points during elections was to fuck with indigenous protected territory
Captain Planet villain is a pretty good analogy
Brazil was doing fine until Rousseff. It was one of the fastest growing economies in the world. They were not on the shortlist for aid.
The Amazon rainforest is a global concern whos loss would effect exactly everyone on earth.
When foreign nations want to lend you a hand, it's not a sign of colonialism, you fucking egomaniac, Bolsonaro.
When foreign nations want to lend you a hand, it's not a sign of colonialism, you fucking egomaniac, Bolsonaro.
Thank you for the information, sincerely.
I will learn more about this.
What do you believe happened that caused Bolsonaro to get elected then?
I would say this is more about his stance against indigenous people from his country and fullfiling his political platform goals while making some money from it.
On wiping out the "Indians"
Racist remark
On indigenous people as an obstacle to mining & agribusiness
This cartoon is 30 years old:
The issue is hardly new.
This is pretty spot on. Bolisnaro seems like an awful person/world leader but who is the west to tell a South American country that they can't do what they want with their land when we sit in houses pumping AC air, drive gas guzzling cars, consume oil to heat us in the winter and leave garbage that helps pollute the world. (US is worse than Europe in this but Europeans are still living lives that contribute to the destruction of the environment) All while having destroyed huge swath's of our own forests as we were developing industrially. Modern economies are not great when it comes to the environment and we're all killing the planet by the ways we like to live yet we make ourselves feel better by being outraged about the Amazon and wanting to save it.
Well, the previous president did a fucking terrible job and there were some scandals I believe. Growth went away and people went for the guy with the biggest mouth and the easiest solutions.
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the longer version includes a huge campain to make the leftist party turn into the evil that eats children (literally cold war communist hate), most of the country being free to show that they are homophobic and racists assholes (helped by evangelical raise) and exagerated violence reporting making everyone think they are a NRA member.