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Brad Sams - I'm Hearing from Multiple Sources that Game Pass isn't coming to the Switch, at least Near Term

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Dancrane212 said:
Windows Central gave a reason. MS wants devs to use their crossplay SDK, having partnered developers work and test the tools beforehand makes sense.

https://www.windowscentral.com/why-xbox-game-pass-nintendo-switch-and-other-systems-smart
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Minecraft already uses that tool, it's been functioning for close to a year now. The testing it over, it works.
It would make zero sense for Ori and Cuphead to be test games for a crossplay SDK as those games don't feature any online multiplayer

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From experience I can say people are nuts. I received death threats for saying that Smash Grinch rumor was fake
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I never apologized for that did I? I really wanted Mach Rider playable and lashed out


Honestly, I was actually very adamant that leak was fake and was looking like a crazy conspiracy theorist trying to poke the holes in it's authenticity during that whole ordeal.
 
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After hearing him talking about wanting 4k 60fps on lockhart and going like 80fps on anaconda this guy sounds completely clueless.
 

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Nintendo has been trying to keep the value of their games for decades.

Just remember the last gamepass 2$ for 2 months, more than 100 games available. It screams devaluation.

Gamepass is great for consumers but it does not fit Nintendos corperate strategy at all.
 

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Nintendo-related rumors are almost always bullshit.

Never really cared abou Game Pass coming to Switch, but Ori and Cuphead would have been cool. Oh well.
 
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ShinobiBk said:
Minecraft already uses that tool, it's been functioning for close to a year now. The testing it over, it works.

It would make zero sense for Ori and Cuphead to be test games for a crossplay SDK as those games don't feature any online multiplayer
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Testing via implementation in development. Minecraft does not run on Unity or Unreal, you have to figure Microsoft wants the SDK working with those engines and having internal (or partnered) developers port games as proof to sell the platform to other devs makes some sense.
 
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Ganondolf said:
That's what im saying. How does putting 2 exclusives (Ori & Cuphead) on Switch sell more GP when there is 2 less games that are exclusive to GP/Xbox Platform. If either of them were key games I wanted to play I just purchase them on switch instead of GP.
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I imagine it's something like this:
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Could be the devs pushing for it. It's happened with Sony a couple times and they allowed the devs to put the game on Steam/mobile (Helldivers, Everyone's Gone to The Rapture, Flower and Journey).
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Brand recognition and maybe sort of testing the waters without jumping in? Putting games that can run natively on the Switch and maybe allowing some sort of XBL integration idk. Still a sort of jump off point for a bond between MS/Nintendo
 
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jschreier said:
This is also the same source: https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/1067239625830346754

I'm pretty confident there was never any Metroid stuff planned for The Game Awards. From what I can tell, that -- along with some other rumors that have been floating around Era recently and turned out to be false -- originated from similar circles. Too many insiders!
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I'm sure I could go back through your history and point out inaccurate things. Let's be fair.

I don't know who's right or wrong here, but it's a bit odd to cherry pick things. Why are you attacking other journalists? It's poor form.
 
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ShinobiBk said:
Minecraft already uses that tool, it's been functioning for close to a year now. The testing it over, it works.
It would make zero sense for Ori and Cuphead to be test games for a crossplay SDK as those games don't feature any online multiplayer
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That's what I kept saying over and over, Minecraft for Switch already implements that, the only news was that Microsoft offers it to developers to implement it to their games.

The only "value" that Ori or Cuphead would bring with the XBL SDK would be Xbox achievements.
 
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jschreier said:
This is also the same source: https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/1067239625830346754

I'm pretty confident there was never any Metroid stuff planned for The Game Awards. From what I can tell, that -- along with some other rumors that have been floating around Era recently and turned out to be false -- originated from similar circles. Too many insiders!
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This really feels unnecessary. It's not like you were always right as well. Leave other people be, it's just tweets about video games. All you're doing is creative a negative mob around people that'll only end up in harassment. Confirming or deconfirming the initial info is good enough, there's no need to go after the people reporting it.

There are already enough people doing this. You doing it will just encourage other people to harass him.
 
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Serebii said:
I'm sure I could go back through your history and point out inaccurate things. Let's be fair.

I don't know who's right or wrong here, but it's a bit odd to cherry pick things. Why are you attacking other journalists? It's poor form.
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He's not directly attacking them though. He's simply suggesting caution when running with all of these various rumors. This place has too often fallen prey to rumors.
 
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Serebii said:
I'm sure I could go back through your history and point out inaccurate things. Let's be fair.

I don't know who's right or wrong here, but it's a bit odd to cherry pick things. Why are you attacking other journalists? It's poor form.
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You should absolutely scrutinize my history every time I report on something. Then you can decide for yourself if you believe what I've reported.

Every journalist reporting on exclusive information should be scrutinized as much as possible, and every insider rumor should be examined with as much context as is available. That's the only way to figure out the truth.
 
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overcast said:
He's not directly attacking them though. He's simply suggesting caution when running with all of these various rumors. This place has too often fallen prey to rumors.
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You know exactly what this enables though. People will be going through his history and sending him personal attacks. Jason's been in this circle a long time, he knows better than this.

The worst part is all of this is still just a rumor. Just because one person claims the opposite doesn't change a thing until it's official.
 
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jschreier said:
You should absolutely scrutinize my history every time I report on something. Then you can decide for yourself if you believe what I've reported.

Every journalist reporting on exclusive information should be scrutinized as much as possible, and every insider rumor should be examined with as much context as is available. That's the only way to figure out the truth.
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To an extent I agree, but you're only pointing out the negatives, rather than creating a balanced discussion here.

That smacks more of a journalist trying to push a certain element of a story, not the whole one.
 
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jschreier said:
This is also the same source: https://twitter.com/DirectFeedGames/status/1067239625830346754

I'm pretty confident there was never any Metroid stuff planned for The Game Awards. From what I can tell, that -- along with some other rumors that have been floating around Era recently and turned out to be false -- originated from similar circles. Too many insiders!
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Someone finally calling out the rumors that some folk and ""insiders"" peddle around here.

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Ganondolf said:
That's what im saying. How does putting 2 exclusives (Ori & Cuphead) on Switch sell more GP when there is 2 less games that are exclusive to GP/Xbox Platform. If either of them were key games I wanted to play I just purchase them on switch instead of GP.
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Oh I see. I thought you were talking about xCloud rather than native games.
 

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just ban the sites/sources that continuously spread false info. sounds dumb to keep giving them the clicks and attention they want.

As for this news, if Nintendo doesnt get gamepass but other mobile devices do, then the switch would start losing its appeal. Nintendo does benefit by gaining 300 games that may even require subbing to Nintendo online.
and it's not like they are even close to creating something like gamepass themselves.
 
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It's all rumors until announced. I'm not counting on any Xbox games short of those announced and already released
 
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jschreier said:
You should absolutely scrutinize my history every time I report on something. Then you can decide for yourself if you believe what I've reported.

Every journalist reporting on exclusive information should be scrutinized as much as possible, and every insider rumor should be examined with as much context as is available. That's the only way to figure out the truth.
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I agree with this. Its not ok to spread false information.
 
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I applaud Jason for pointing records out!

After the TGA rumors, I could've not believed people here fell for the same sources again.
It's becoming laughable how gullible people are here. Era and believing fake rumors name a better combo!
 
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Jonneh said:
You know exactly what this enables though. People will be going through his history and sending him personal attacks. Jason's been in this circle a long time, he knows better than this.
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Feel as though even Brad Sams calling the information false will create that environment though. That's on our community for being outrageous.
 
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Anthony Hopkins said:
It seems like he does not understand that the higher the polycounty + effects a new gen brings will require more powerful hardware then what is needed to make 4k current gen games.
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I think you misunderstood him. He was talking about his hopes in Anaconda being 4k/60fps since Xbox One X can already do 4K, and that Lockhart would be 4k/30fps.

Of course developers could do whatever they want, and theyre not forced to do either. If they want 4k/30fps, thats what a developer will do. However, I do think next generation consoles will be putting more emphasis on the CPU enabling for better frame rate if devs opt for that.
 
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Where I'm at with this is one person said something was true and the other person says it isn't.
We have no confirmation on who's wrong or right on this and it's possible the truth might be somewhere in the middle as tends to happen sometimes. Maybe there won't be Game Pass on Switch but only xCloud streaming. That would still make part of Nate's claims true.


I still think there's too much smoke for there not to be fire though, there is something cooking here. Why bring Ori and Cuphead over? Sure they can sell well on Switch but realistically you're looking around a maximum of around 1mil sales each for 2 budget ($20) titles.
Is that enough for Microsoft to start sending out their exclusives to other platforms? Idk, all this seems like there's something bigger on the horizon.
 
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OrbitalBeard said:
Nintendo-related rumors are almost always bullshit.

Never really cared abou Game Pass coming to Switch, but Ori and Cuphead would have been cool. Oh well.
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I believe the Ori/Cuphead ports are a different kettle of fish.

Don't want to put words into jschreier's mouth, but he mentioned on a podcast last week that he had heard rumblings about those (but not about gamepass on switch).

The problem with rumours sometimes is that one aspect might be fairly well grounded, and then others might not be, even if coming from the same (second hand) source.
 

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It's okay to take people accountable for what they're saying and to keep an history of what they got right or wrong. That's why the Switch rumor archive thread exists and that was really one of the best idea the community had (and there should be this for all platforms/publishers). But it should stops at checking how likely this person is to have accurate sources rather than going the extra mile and discredit the human behind the reporting, especially when that person was likely doing all in good faith and just tried to give some discussion points to the community.
 
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Honestly after how Star Fox Grand Prix turned out, I've been taking a Yahtzee styled approach to rumors.

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In other words, just expect every rumor by default to be fake (regardless of how credible the source may be), and be plesantly surprised if it isn't, or not disappointed if it is.
 
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I'm fine with Jason Schreier calling out NateDrake for having, in his opinion, bad sources.
But linking to multiple tweets here is stupid. It has already begun, Nate is getting stupid messages. He already got too much shit post TGA. Jason knows better than this, before every E3 Jason tweets the usual "i've been receiving insults/death treats for sharing this rumor, but you'll all see in a few days". He knows how people are on twitter. It's a fucking jungle.
 
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Mezoly said:
I applaud Jason for pointing records out!

After the TGA rumors, I could've not believed people here fell for the same sources again.
It's becoming laughable how gullible people are here. Era and believing fake rumors name a better combo!
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Get em Mez! ERA was only so gung-ho about this rumor because some people can't accept the fact that big third party games will never hit the Switch, instead of just STFUing and picking up a XBO, PS4, or PC
 
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Jonneh said:
You know exactly what this enables though. People will be going through his history and sending him personal attacks. Jason's been in this circle a long time, he knows better than this.
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This is nonsense. When you make videos with titles like "Report: Microsoft Preparing Xbox App & GamePass for Nintendo Switch" that get tens of thousands of views, you are a reporter, and it's perfectly fair for anyone -- especially other reporters -- to scrutinize and publicize your track record. Whenever a reporter spreads false information, it can do harm, and it needs to be called out accordingly. I very much include myself there, and when I get something wrong, I try to correct the record as transparently as possible. I hope that other people will also call me out when I fuck up, because that's the only way to ensure that the truth comes out.

It happens that I've also been paying a lot of attention to ResetEra insider circles for the past few months, and I've noticed some trends of rumors all getting passed around the same circles and rarely turning out to be true, so this strikes me as a trend that's absolutely worth discussing.
 
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JayWood2010 said:
I think you misunderstood him. He was talking about his hopes in Anaconda being 4k/60fps since Xbox One X can already do 4K, and that Lockhart would be 4k/30fps.

Of course developers could do whatever they want, and theyre not forced to do either. If they want 4k/30fps, thats what a developer will do. However, I do think next generation consoles will be putting more emphasis on the CPU enabling for better frame rate if devs opt for that.
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Lol, I'm telling you right now, devs will always, always, always push for visuals over performance. Like 90% of the time. Why do you think there are so many eye catching trailers that are supposedly captured 'in real time and in game' that feature next to no actual gameplay and then wind up being a far cry from the the final release?

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Its probably Xbox live integration on games that MS will publish to switch. Which could come to 3rd party developers and indies. Like sign in to Xbox live when you start Ori for the first time. Achievements will sync with you XBL account.
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That's super old news though. We've known about Xbox Live being released to 3rd parties on Switch for a good minute. It was leaked in an Xbox GDC listing.
 
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There are too many issues for unrestricted game pass on Switch. I'm not surprised if this is true that it's not coming

I think what's going to happen is game pass users are going to get.access to some content on Switch via an Xbox app for free. Like Twitch Prime or Amazon Prime perks
 
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The Gamepass rumors would be easier to believe if someone could name one big reason why Nintendo would even allow this shit on their system. Switch is a software beast and they have like 20/30 games dropping on the eShop every week in addition to developers bringing their current gen games like Mortal Kombat, Dragon Quest XI etc. over.

They are getting 30% of every everything....why would they mess that up by allowing something like GamePass that would result in people buying less native software ?

Hell we dont even have Netflix on Switch but GamePass is about to launch this year ?
 
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