IIRC, the point was not to denigrate men who get tricked into having kids, but more to note that portraying it as a "man's problem" felt a little weird since both men and women can perpetuate that.
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Boyfriend gets slapped by his girlfriend for playing Fortnite with Pokimane on livestream.
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IIRC, the point was not to denigrate men who get tricked into having kids, but more to note that portraying it as a "man's problem" felt a little weird since both men and women can perpetuate that.
Imma go out on a limb and say that the reason it hasn't been talked about by the media is that they didn't even know it happened. Most of the gaming media doesn't pay mind to streamers, though this does seem like something they'd cover if they got enough info. Trouble is, the guy probably won't want to talk because that's how it usually is with victims of abuse, especially men. It doesn't help that the first site that would cover this sort of thing (Kotaku) is... going through some stuff right now.
Both women are obviously in the wrong here. I get that Pokimane has a stream to maintain but... when some real stuff happens on it, you can always afford to drop the veil and address it. It only gets worse if you don't.
Both women are obviously in the wrong here. I get that Pokimane has a stream to maintain but... when some real stuff happens on it, you can always afford to drop the veil and address it. It only gets worse if you don't.
Mainstream media doesn't follow streamers outside of the ones with major contracts and TV deals.
If this happened on ESPN there would be a multi-day shitstorm. Still, it is disturbing that so many in the comments are willing to say that "he probably had it coming."
Not the time nor the place guy.
If this happened on ESPN there would be a multi-day shitstorm. Still, it is disturbing that so many in the comments are willing to say that "he probably had it coming."
Not the time nor the place guy.
People trying to dogpile Deepwater for making pretty banal observations.
There are feminist groups that run domestic violence shelters for men so I don't know where you got that idea.
There are feminist groups that run domestic violence shelters for men so I don't know where you got that idea.
I just skimmed through an 11 minute video of the most boring ass game and learned absolutely nothing of what you're talking about.
Please, for the love of fkn god, give timestamps or something.
Sorry for spazzing, I'm just grumpy and holy shit are games you dont play not fun to watch completely out of context.
Please, for the love of fkn god, give timestamps or something.
Sorry for spazzing, I'm just grumpy and holy shit are games you dont play not fun to watch completely out of context.
If he's American he probably has no idea that it's an offensive word in the UK.
Because it's a bunch of dude's that don't want to take any responsibility for the culture we perpetuate. Anyone taking issues with his comments is straight clown shoes.
Damn so what does it mean when the main stream media doesn't react to a streamer like Pokimane?
You know...one with major contracts and TV deals.
I'm sure some posters felt that way and it might be a worthwhile point (though it takes the pessemistic approach of assuming that the OP doesn't care about it happening to women which was not implied or inferred).
But the first reply that derailed that entire thread absolutely denigrated men and refused the idea that it was both a man and woman's problem. It was along the lines of, and I'm paraphrasing here; "women have it worse, so what?".
I'd bet a lot of money both him and her in that tweet there abuse their partners.
Fuck abusers. Full stop.
Thank you! It's super weird seeing people not get this. No one disputes that abuse is bad. It's bad. Period. But also this entire scenario exists because of toxic masculinity. Because when women get abused it gets ignored (despite what some people seem to think). And when men get abused it's part "look at this puss" part "mEn DoNt GeT tAkEn SeRiOuSlY lIkE wOmEn". Shit is so obvious and people don't see it.
Yea that shit is scary. I hope he gets out of that situation.
The solution, then, is not to cut off entire groups and genders. It's to stop sticking your dick in crazy or not allowing yourself to be dicked by crazy. The world is too big and there are too many fish in the sea for people to feel like they must stay in an abusive relationship or one that could potentially turn violent or abusive because of platonic friendships and doing normal life things. Fuck that shit.
My family are conservative immigrants, and this thing with your child will not go as well as you might imagine. I rarely speak on people's marriages and relationships, but this has disaster written all over it.
Society doesn't take it seriously, regardless of gender. Men can choke out of their girlfriend who's half their size and go run for touchdowns the next week. If people don't give a shit about that then a slap isn't even going to register.
Fucking hell. Glad to see the domestic abuse defense force out on twitter today.
What part of "If this happened on ESPN there would be a multi-day shitstorm" is unclear from my post? The only streamer I can think of in recent times that made mainstream news solely for things that happened on stream/youtube is pewdiepie. Twitch gaming is huge but its not a part of mainstream culture in the US.
Abuse is abuse and it's up to men to start listening to feminists, who also fight toxic masculinity, the same shit responsible for these types of relationships.
Sadly, this is true. I remember on the other board, after numerous women abuse threads, guys "complaining what about men?", there was a thread dedicated to male abuse. It barely got 5 pages before disappearing forever. Worst, there were victims in that thread- who barely got attention.
On a male dominated board- it should be easy to multiple threads. But even on ERA, that is not the case.
I don't see anything in that tweet that justifies physical violence. I don't care how fed up with your SO you are, you can't fuckin' slap them. What is this, a Lifetime original movie?
Men who are abuse victims also have a difficult time receiving support. And being a man directly plays into that, because of toxic masculinity.
People who subscribe to toxic gender norms are (probably) mostly the ones who dismiss abuse of both men and women, yes- but that doesn't mean it happens for the same reasons, or that it's not worth exploring.
Frankly, this is a very dismissive post, because you're coming at everyone trying to talk about how men suffer from abuse and being denigrated for it and accusing them of going after a culture war.
This is all a part of how patriarchy harms men and women in different ways.
Ive not once ITT dismissed how men are shamed for being abused. I'm dismissing shitty framing that uses abuse against women as a springboard
That's fair, and you have a point there. I'm sorry if I misunderstood you, then. The way you phrased it made me interpret it differently.
This is domestic abuse. Just disgusting the types of double standards that men deal with when it comes to violence in relationships.
I had to find a new nurse to come into my home. I'm extremely disabled and can't really defend myself. My nurse started having anger issues which manifested in scratching me and slaps. The verbal abuse was really bad also.
Yeah, it's something very common that starts very early. You see that behavior in teenage couples all the time. Verbal abuse too.
There is not much more to the story, at least in terms of Pokimane and the guy she was playing with, than that they were playing together. She was playing random duos trying to get in-game reactions to her new emote and ended up playing a few games with the guy while the girlfriend seemed to get increasingly jealous that they were playing and chatting together, even wanting to get on the mic but refusing to talk to Poki at one point.
Most of the interaction was in one of her recent videos: (5:30 I've timestamped it)
The girlfriend just seems like a really jealous person.
Filtering who your SO can or can't interact with is extremely toxic and abusive. Even without the physical abuse layered over it. The physical abuse makes it even worse.
I wonder how many people will read the title and go "that's fucked up!"
Then realize it's a man being hit by a woman for playing with a woman and society says that's more acceptable and comical.
Kind of like my friend just did.
"that's so fucking sick! Why aren't people talking about this?!"
Me: about what?
"Oh never mind. Ha. I misread it. It's a guy."
Then realize it's a man being hit by a woman for playing with a woman and society says that's more acceptable and comical.
Kind of like my friend just did.
"that's so fucking sick! Why aren't people talking about this?!"
Me: about what?
"Oh never mind. Ha. I misread it. It's a guy."
I mean you're right on the money. We certainly can't fix this issue if the go-to stance when witnessing examples of IPV/domestic abuse is to make it an anti-feminist talking point.
It ignores how women who experience abuse are treated. They're also ignored, mocked, threatened, etc.
It ignores the ways that abuse is normalized in our culture by toxic masculinity. This is arguably a little tautological, since toxic masculinity is defined by using abusive behavior as a means to gain social credibility and power. The behavior is reinforcing, though -- the power is then used as leverage to justify bullying, etc. Yes, men and women can and do buy into this issue. The consequences are felt (negatively) by both genders, though not always in the same ways.
This is also a problem that feminists are actually addressing. The power dynamics are not weighted toward all men equally (especially when we start throwing things like race into the mix) but the power dynamics significantly favor specific men who are able to engage in a lot of abusive behavior. In these cases the recourse female victims have is typically null as well, and why these people are able to engage in abuse for decades without accountability.
I don't know that the gender ratios regarding abuse is equal (I know Lord of Ostia's shared some statistics that do make me question my previous views that abuse is borne significantly more by women, but I'm always hesitant to shift my worldview on the basis of a single study) but I do know that the gender parity on people with enough power to hold abusers accountable has skewed male for a very long time and those people don't care about victims regardless of gender (see also: president 'grab em by the pussy').
What we have seen in the video is a problem, but it is not the fault of women as a class. Anyone claiming otherwise is making the problem worse by confusing what the causes are and what needs to change to hold people accountable.
