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Boycotting companies like THQ Nordic in the age of subscription services
- Thread starter Captain of Outer Space
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Doing a simple Google search of 8chan would paint a very obvious message. Regardless of how you frame it, the PR guy never looks good in the end
If you get a game on Plus, Games with Gold, Now, or Game Pass, the publisher of the game gets paid. It's generally not just a flat fee, each download equals more revenue for the publisher.
Plus don't the platform holders pay licensing fees to said publishers? Regardless of what you subscribe to, the publishers you dislike are going to get money.
This is always the best way to go as a consumer, contacting the company directly.
I'd say if you have an issue with a publisher it's up to you. Don't download it or just don't buy their games. If for some reason you must play something buy it used from a local store and turn something bad into something good by supporting a mom and pop shop. And yikes at the 8chan stuff. I've honestly never even heard of that. I won't be purchasing or playing any of thq nordics games ever again.
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I don't have a link to the latter part of the poster you're replying to him is saying, but he's gone on record in several interviews that he supports GamerGate. https://techraptor.net/content/interview-daniel-vavra
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Taking a cursory glance through his Twitter doesn't do him any favors either.
Edit: Lmao beaten by a literal second.
"How was I supposed to know Stormfront was a white supremacist site?"
Blind? Lol
Given the tweets around the time, and how one would even access 8chan, you'd have to be extremely gullible and naive to buy the BS you are peddling.
I agree he did a shit job and doesn't look good at all. I just don't think his career should be ruined because of a mistake. They're handling it internally, they don't have a track record of supporting hate, im willing to give them a chance.
Maybe they do their internal work and end up firing him anyway.
This is what I told OP yesterday and he refused to aknowledge it, he said: "oh, that's not the way I see it", because even though he's been boycotting THQ Nordic, he is interested in downloading Darksiders 3 through the ps plus offer.
Simply put, if you download on September Darksiders 3 through ps Plus, you're supporting THQ Nordic.
Having the subscription to Ps Plus is fine, but when you clic on download to Darksiders III, THQ Nordic gets money through a contract made with Sony.
The amount of defending of THQN of their 8chan AMA is disgusting. Shame on you. Don't defend this shit, don't downplay it. It was by all admissions, one of the grossest things I've seen a videogame company do in a long time. They fucking deserve to be raked over the coals for this.
No one is pointing fingers at Joe Schmoe the random accounting guy, people are addressing the company as an entity or the people directly involved.
Would you make the same argument about Voidpoint, for example?
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That's not how corporate liability works. They bear full responsibility of the actions of each employee.
Really bizarre anyone would throw them in with Vavra or Voidpoint, one of which never apologized and the other apologized but backtracked.
In reality, nothing is black and white, just shades of gray. It'd be one thing if THQN didn't apologize, or backtracked, but they recognized it was bad, they apologized, and they moved on. They haven't had repeat infractions, and they're a better company now. That's how getting better works, that's how growing works.
If you can't forgive them for it, and you want to show that by not buying their game or supporting them, that's fine, I guess I'm just confused as to why this is the battle anyone would want to take time to fight. It seems to me there are game devs and publishers who are not remorseful, have not apologized, and are continuing their practices, and those are the ones that people should be boycotting if they want to send a message.
In reality, nothing is black and white, just shades of gray. It'd be one thing if THQN didn't apologize, or backtracked, but they recognized it was bad, they apologized, and they moved on. They haven't had repeat infractions, and they're a better company now. That's how getting better works, that's how growing works.
If you can't forgive them for it, and you want to show that by not buying their game or supporting them, that's fine, I guess I'm just confused as to why this is the battle anyone would want to take time to fight. It seems to me there are game devs and publishers who are not remorseful, have not apologized, and are continuing their practices, and those are the ones that people should be boycotting if they want to send a message.
See this is where I would bring up the P word but people are really against it even when t can be a useful tool
99% of people seems like a weird statistic to make up.
THQN posted a boilerplate apology and no follow up action was taken, no demonstrable action was taken. You're talking about a company hosting an AMA on a hate website filled with child porn. How about contributing positively to a social cause as a way to make up for it? They did absolutely nothing outside of that one public statement. They're afraid to anger their audience, and instead do the bare minimum and put their hands in their pockets.
They didn't do another AMA on 8chan or any other controversial space, so I guess I see that as correcting the behavior. Apologizing in itself is humbling, embarrassing, and humiliating. If you want a statistic, it would be people that use the phrase "boilerplate apology" have never apologized for a thing they've ever done.
why the personal attacks? it doesn't prove your point, nor add anything to the discussion.
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If you don't wish to support a company then do not redeem those games to your library if they're offered. They get paid per redemption, there's a reason games aren't automatically added to libraries when they go up for offer.
I was just going to ask how pay is distributed in these types of deals. Seems like OP has his answer.
So Shifty1897, how is that correcting behavior? The offending party, who knew of 8chan, and who conducted and participated in the AMA is still working at THQ.
A light tap on the wrist is a correction?
That's pretty much why I make sure to redeem every EGS free game. More money for developers.
Not true for console. They get a one off payment for the game.
I thought this was about the problem that you would automatically support pubs you don't want to support by subscribing to those services.
If you're serious about a boycott, IMO you don't play those games, no matter the distribution. Even buying a used copy generates demand in some way and I would be surprised if pubs would't get a performance based payment from providers of the services.
If you're serious about a boycott, IMO you don't play those games, no matter the distribution. Even buying a used copy generates demand in some way and I would be surprised if pubs would't get a performance based payment from providers of the services.
If it permanently stopped the behavior, then possibly. It could also be a situation where the person would be hard to terminate if they had no prior infractions and the AMA was approved up the chain with everyone thinking it was someone else's responsibility to vet the site. At that point it can be really difficult from a legal perspective to assign blame and take action, depending on your country and state laws. Maybe the most you can do is a final warning in a corrective action unless you could absolutely prove this person knew what 8chan was and it was spelled out in their job description that it was their responsibility to vet any sites where an AMA was taking place, and it was spelled out in a policy somewhere that states kind of sites the company will not partner with.
In my management days, it was often easier to transfer someone to a position where they would no longer be a liability rather than fire them and risk facing the immense costs of a wrongful termination lawsuit, whether or not you believe they deserved to be terminated and you thought you could win.
I feel like I'm spinning my wheels here, and that wasn't really my intention. I have no stake in THQN, and you can boycott whoever you want.
I still don't understand why ERA boycotts and derails every THQ Nordiq thread, but we give Gearbox a complete pass given all of Randy Pitchford's transgressions. Where do we draw the line?
I think penalizing hundreds of good, hard-working developers because of what someone did high-up in the company is wrong. It's like, I'm not going to boycott American companies because Trump is an idiot.
THQ deserved to be called out for it, but game development is too big of a thing to penalize the many for the actions of a few.
I think penalizing hundreds of good, hard-working developers because of what someone did high-up in the company is wrong. It's like, I'm not going to boycott American companies because Trump is an idiot.
THQ deserved to be called out for it, but game development is too big of a thing to penalize the many for the actions of a few.