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Captain of Outer Space

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Oct 28, 2017
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This thread was spurred by some of the discussions going on in the PS+ thread where September's games includes one of THQ Nordic's games (Darksiders III) and how to approach the desire to not support THQ Nordic when you have no control over whose products are added to the various subscription services out there (PS+, PS Now, XBL Games with Gold, Xbox Game Pass, Humble Bundle Monthly, etc). Obviously, it's easy to avoid directly purchasing games published by THQ Nordic, 3D Realms, or any other companies you have issues with, but it seems more nebulous when it comes to subscription services and I wanted to see what people here had to say on the subject. Is it bad to grab that company's games when it's on PS+ or XBL Games with Gold or download and play them when they're offered on PS Now or Xbox Game Pass? I'm guessing there are different ways to draw the line when it comes to these services and how you view the way your money is used by those services. Or maybe the safest way to play any of the games is through second hand places like getting them used from places like GameStop or maybe even GameFly?

I don't know if I have to say this or not: If you're fine with directly supporting THQ Nordic or whoever else comes up in this thread, that's perfectly fine, but this thread isn't really for you.

I see a couple of approaches out there that seem like the most common that I'll try to explain and see how people are approaching their own boycotts.

Scorched Earth Approach

You don't buy any of their games for sure. When they're on PS+ or Games with Gold, you don't grab the games for fear that any part of your subscription fee goes to THQ Nordic or whoever. If they're on Game Pass or PS Now, you don't download or play any of them. I guess that you'd have to subscribe to any of those services on a monthly basis so you could just not renew when their games are featured for that month instead of buying the cheaper yearly subs.

Control What You Can Approach

You're a subscriber to any of these services and realize that your money goes into a general fund to pay for any of the games that are added and you have no control over any of it. If their games are on Game Pass or PS Now, you're fine with playing them since you did not directly pay for those games and Microsoft, Sony, etc had to pay for them out of their general fund with however those contracts are done. For PS+ and Games with Gold, you may or may not grab their game that's added since that general fund viewpoint still applies. I'd think this approach is more about avoiding directly paying THQ Nordic or whoever for their games and if that largely means you miss most of them, that's fine, but if they appear on any of the services you subscribe to then you haven't violated your boycott when that happens.

I think my thoughts are more in line with that second approach where I don't see that my usage of the subscription services to play THQ Nordic games as contradictory to my refusal to buy their games directly. Would it be better for that approach to not grab Darksiders III at all or only touch THQ Nordic games when they're on Game Pass or PS Now? Of course, if I want to get that granular with my desire to not directly support problematic games, I shouldn't bother with any of these services, but I do that with Netflix that also has its own questionable content issues. Some people in the PS+ thread had issues with that approach, so I wanted to see the way others here that want to avoid THQ Nordic games are approaching the ways that these subscription services are complicating simple boycotts.
 

Tizoc

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Oct 25, 2017
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I simply dont redeem their content; on ps plus i would not add the game ti my plus sub.

On pc i wouldnt redeem any keys i get in a bundle if thqn games got added into them later.
I may even skip a month of humble monthly if a thqn game is a highlight.
 

Callibretto

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think the way ps+ free games work, is that publisher/developer got their cut based on how many people "purchase " the free games. So if you intentionally avoid redeeming your free games, thq would get less money from Sony.
 

NightmareT

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Aug 21, 2018
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I buy the game I want.

That boycott for me sounds weird, if you don't want their games or don't want to support their company don't support and that's all.
 

Deleted member 11517

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Imo people should boycott a lot more if there are practices they don't like...

I remember people saying since decades they'd boycott EA for example but they rarely follow through.

Me? My boycott list is very long...

And there is no coming out of it either, fool me once...
 

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Does everyone who wants to boycott a publisher need to make a thread or post stating their intent to do so?

At some point this is more about telling people that you are boycotting them for a pat on the back than anything else.
 

EdgeXL

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Robin

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Oct 25, 2017
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I skipped the Humble Monthly Bundle for Kingdom Come Deliverance and in the fill out form for why I was cancelling explained the situation. A simple (POLITE) call to customer service is a good way of letting services like this know that things like this matter.
 

spam musubi

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This image is bad and dumb and drive-by posting it should be bannable. Member lists on steam show people who are in-game first. As you can see, about 30 people of 800+ are ingame, and not even all of them are playing the boycotted game. This image has been used by people using braindead "lol boycotts don't work" arguments for years despite being debunked.
 

Son Lamar

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Oct 27, 2017
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It looks less like an empty threat if you keep telling people about it.
Tis true indeed tis true I dont understand this tho a lot of hard working ppl work there yea the 8chan thing was weird and fucked up but to boycott a game simply published by THQN is basically fucking over those dev's who have fuck all to do with marketing
 
Jun 26, 2018
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I cancelled my humble bundle monthly because of KCD, but also because that subscription wasn't important for me to be able to enjoy my games (I.e. online multiplayer).

There's also the problem with "losing" all your PS plus games if you lose your subscription.

So I guess I'll stick to not adding the games to my library, since I have no interest in playing them.

Tis true indeed tis true I dont understand this tho a lot of hard working ppl work there yea the 8chan thing was weird and fucked up but to boycott a game simply published by THQN is basically fucking over those dev's who have fuck all to do with marketing

People don't buy video games for millions of inane reasons every day, so why is it "fucking over developers" when people do it on moral grounds?
 

Atheerios

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Oct 27, 2017
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A boycott is your decision, at the end, even if it really doesn't have any effect, it's what makes you the most satisfied with yourself.
 

Fiddle

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Oct 31, 2017
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This image is bad and dumb and drive-by posting it should be bannable. Member lists on steam show people who are in-game first. As you can see, about 30 people of 800+ are ingame, and not even all of them are playing the boycotted game. This image has been used by people using braindead "lol boycotts don't work" arguments for years despite being debunked.

If that's true why are there offline members on the first page of the list?
 

Surface of Me

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fairly certain that, at least for GamePass, MS pays the dev/pub for X amount of months on the service, so you downloading it doesn't give them additional money. Not sure about GwG, PS+, or Humble.
 

EdgeXL

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Oct 27, 2017
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This image is bad and dumb and drive-by posting it should be bannable. Member lists on steam show people who are in-game first. As you can see, about 30 people of 800+ are ingame, and not even all of them are playing the boycotted game. This image has been used by people using braindead "lol boycotts don't work" arguments for years despite being debunked.

Lighten up.
 
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Captain of Outer Space

Captain of Outer Space

Come Sale Away With Me
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Oct 28, 2017
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I skipped the Humble Monthly Bundle for Kingdom Come Deliverance and in the fill out form for why I was cancelling explained the situation. A simple (POLITE) call to customer service is a good way of letting services like this know that things like this matter.
I cancelled my humble bundle monthly because of KCD, but also because that subscription wasn't important for me to be able to enjoy my games (I.e. online multiplayer).

There's also the problem with "losing" all your PS plus games if you lose your subscription.

So I guess I'll stick to not adding the games to my library, since I have no interest in playing them.
This makes sense, though I'm curious how it changes when it's a Netflix-style huge library like Game Pass or PS Now where there are a bunch of Deep Silver/THQ Nordic games in there and MS Rewards even has quests built around playing those games. I don't know if the contracts are just for being added to the service for X amount of time or what.
 

Kurt Russell

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Oct 25, 2017
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If that's true why are there offline members on the first page of the list?

One is the group admin (that's why they show up first) and the other one is the first offline member. There's a chance that the first offline member shown in the picture was actually "offline" (not really offline but showing up as such in order to avoid being seen, I do it all the time). Still, not really as much as a "gotcha" as you seem to imply.

Here's an example I just got from a Steam group:

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Hella

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Oct 27, 2017
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I've ended game pass-style subscriptions that include THQ Nordic games, but I admit I'm ignorant as to how any of them monetise the games inside. It feels kinda futile when I'm still a consumer within an industry that openly supports--and even celebrates--THQ Nordic.

I don't have console subs, or a Humble monthy sub, but they feel a lot more complicated than a Netflix-style library because they give permanent ownership. Not to mention being tied to other perks. Not sure how I'd handle them, tbh.
 

defaltoption

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Oct 27, 2017
11,486
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I personally do not support a full boycott of THQ but I do respect everyone's decision to do so, what I would say is that you would have to go "scorched earth" they are apparently paid through playstation when you download or add to library from ps plus so if your intent is to truly not show support then that seems like the most fool proof way.
 

Son Lamar

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Oct 27, 2017
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I cancelled my humble bundle monthly because of KCD, but also because that subscription wasn't important for me to be able to enjoy my games (I.e. online multiplayer).

There's also the problem with "losing" all your PS plus games if you lose your subscription.

So I guess I'll stick to not adding the games to my library, since I have no interest in playing them.



People don't buy video games for millions of inane reasons every day, so why is it "fucking over developers" when people do it on moral grounds?
Again bro you know that and this have different context and fucking over a developer over a publisher choice seems stupid do you but honestly this constant telling ppl boycott is only free advertisement for THQN but yea

Of course you not buying a game because shady practices in said games or its just not for you is a different subject similar but different
 

Arthoneceron

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Oct 27, 2017
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Never cared about THQ, neither THQ Nordic in the first place.

But with companies like EA or Activision I have the policy of not even look at videos about a game, because I know that if I ever look at something like Anthem (which I almost bought) or the newer Star Wars games (Force Unleashed is still big on my heart). It's not easy to do that, but I make this conscious effort for preserving my mental health and not normalize abusive pratices like Games as a Service (fight me) or Lootboxes. That's because if the companies treats the players as cattle and considers their investors as their audience, so I'll not be part of that.

The last game I bought from EA was Mass Effect 3 (which was a joke of a game if compared with Mass Effect 1) and the last I bought from Activision was Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy. I would say that's working in times which the internet bombards all our senses with information.

About subscriptions, I'm not considering to buy any of them in the first place, and I also consider paying to play on the internet an absurd and I only make it on my Switch because my girlfriend likes to play Super Mario Maker 2. Maybe I'm too out of the curve of the gaming market because of that, but I feel that since the recent gaming will be too focused on unsustainable gaming pratices and a brainless market, maybe I'll stop to play video games sooner than the expected.
 

NCR Ranger

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Oct 25, 2017
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While I am not fully on board boycotting THQN, but with that said I have no immediate plans to buy anything from them either, I think the first one has to be the only option for those that are. If you play one of their games on a service that will just encourage that service to go after more of their games in the future. I don't think you need to stop the sub, but the very least you shouldn't be playing their games with your sub.

Buying second hand or renting a physical copy is probably the only legit loophole I can think of if you want to play the game and not have them see a dime from you.
 

Fredrik

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Oct 27, 2017
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Be thankful that you at least can choose to not redeem the free games. What will you do if you find out that an actor in a movie on Netflix is a scumbag? Boycott Netflix? Or what if some suit in the Playstation hardware team is a scumbag? Will you boycott PS5?
With PS+ or Gold games you still have an easy choice to boycott individual games. With other subscription services you're stuck or it'll hurt yourself more than the thing you want to boycott.
 
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Again bro you know that and this have different context and fucking over a developer over a publisher choice seems stupid do you but honestly this constant telling ppl boycott is only free advertisement for THQN but yea

Of course you not buying a game because shady practices in said games or its just not for you is a different subject similar but different
Listen, honestly I don't care if English is your first language, it isn't mine, but read your post again and think about it if you're really making a good argument here with such a low quality post, I'm not even sure what you're trying to say, please leave these poor developers alone that work with shady companies is what I'm getting out of it. This is *not* a good or sensible argument. People that reached adulthood are responsible for their doings whether you like it or not.
 

Spyware

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Oct 26, 2017
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We had this poll thread a little while ago with the same kind of questions and thoughts.

I am boycotting KCD, meaning I would never buy the Humble Monthly that had that game. I don't stop my active Game Pass sub because it was added there tho. That's more of an indirect payment so I don't feel that it goes against my boycott of that studio. Since the reason I boycott it includes stuffin the actual game, I won't play it even tho it's there.
I also don't buy THQ games but if someone gift me one of their games or it shows up on GP, I will play it if the game itself isn't offensive and it interests me. So my approach to these "boycotts" are pretty different.
 

weekev

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think I'm going scorched earth. I have plenty games to get stuck into in September and I'll take Arkham Knight this month.

I have to say I'm disappointed in some of the responses in this thread. They actively signal boosted a site that recruits mass murderers and shares child porn. There has been zero accountability taken nor action taken. Y'all just gonna pretend like it didn't happen. Smh
 
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Again bro you know that and this have different context and fucking over a developer over a publisher choice seems stupid do you but honestly this constant telling ppl boycott is only free advertisement for THQN but yea

Of course you not buying a game because shady practices in said games or its just not for you is a different subject similar but different

So boycotting a publisher because of shady business practices is fine? But boycotting a publisher for normalizing and taking part in a website that caters to nazis, homophobes, pedophiles, and worse, is "fucking over developers" and "free advertisement"?

I'm not sure I follow 🤔
 

julian

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Oct 27, 2017
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I wouldn't download or play the games at this point. I'm not going to unsubscribe from any services as the free games are typically just one bullet point in a list of features, but not downloading/activating the game is still a message the service holder notices (assuming enough people change their typical purchasing habits when a THQN game pops up).
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Boycott whoever you like for whatever reason you like. And however you like. In these days where votes mean nothing, and stuff is practically free because your virtual self is worth more than your real self, at the end of the day your principles are all you've got left. And a principle that doesn't cause you any loss is no principle at all.
 

LiquidSolid

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Oct 26, 2017
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Again bro you know that and this have different context and fucking over a developer over a publisher choice seems stupid do you but honestly this constant telling ppl boycott is only free advertisement for THQN but yea

Of course you not buying a game because shady practices in said games or its just not for you is a different subject similar but different
People are fucking dead because of 8chan and you're here going "bu-bu-but what about the developers." Fuck off. THQ Nordic had an opportunity to make up for their dipshittery and fire everyone involved but they didn't, instead they put out a halfassed non-apology and then proceeded to ignore it. That whole shithole of a company can burn for all I care.
 

Son Lamar

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Listen, honestly I don't care if English is your first language, it isn't mine, but read your post again and think about it if you're really making a good argument here with such a low quality post, I'm not even sure what you're trying to say, please leave these poor developers alone that work with shady companies is what I'm getting out of it. This is *not* a good or sensible argument. People that reached adulthood are responsible for their doings whether you like it or not.
Fam I'm not making an argument I could care last I simply gave my view i dont care to persuade anyone either way.

People are fucking dead because of 8chan and you're here going "bu-bu-but what about the developers." Fuck off. THQ Nordic had an opportunity to make up for their dipshittery and fire everyone involved but they didn't, instead they put out a halfassed non-apology and then proceeded to ignore it. That whole shithole of a company can burn for all I care.
And I acknowledged that but dont simply act as if THQN personally was involved I dont know why they did that maybe the really feel that way it was stupid af, and yea they should fire the ppl involved


So boycotting a publisher because of shady business practices is fine? But boycotting a publisher for normalizing and taking part in a website that caters to nazis, homophobes, pedophiles, and worse, is "fucking over developers" and "free advertisement"?

I'm not sure I follow 🤔
I dont know what ti tell you I'm man clearly were at an impasse, so let's agree to disagree I'm not trying to persuade anyone THQN put themselves in this position, I'm just giving my opinion on the matter
 

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Idk. I guess I'm of the philosophy that nobody outside of reddit and games media will even know 8chan ama existed and therefore any boycott requests will touch/reach about 5000 people. I support any boycott and tbh I don't think I've been interested in any thq game yet.

Plus, you gotta imagine streamers will gladly take their marketing money to play their games. And most people aren't apt to give up their fav online personality. Look at pewdiepie. Dudes are murdering in his name and he's as popular as ever.

Maybe I'm just jaded.
 

Mendrox

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Oct 26, 2017
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Looking at GamesCom and everything it's free marketing we do for them. You also can't really stop streaming services getting the content. You support them by paying the subscription and they will get money regardless of you downloading the game or not. I like that every THQ game thread has the warnings and everything in them. This more than enough to get that into peoples head on here.
 

Oreiller

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not going to buy their games for full price but I'd bite if they come to subscription services or if they're cheap enough. I totally understand why some wouldn't want to touch them at all though.