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Oct 27, 2017
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You two are just asking me to come back to this thread with a multi-page essay on why Naruto and Hinata are the perfect couple, and how Boruto is a perfect blend of the two of them.

Hey I'm on your side if anything canon ships are fine by me

Man nvm, take the shine away

Lmao please
 

TheRealTalker

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lol the shipping bait

actually if anything this community is quite civil and we usually agree with each other

Pyscho Mantis was the lone exception lol but he/she was banished long ago

thus peace came to the land


maybe people will be turned off by some of the RYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGI posts
 

Flandy

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You two are just asking me to come back to this thread with a multi-page essay on why Naruto and Hinata are the perfect couple, and how Boruto is a perfect blend of the two of them.

Man nvm, take the shine away

too late

this page is dedicated to shipping~

Hey I'm on your side if anything canon ships are fine by me



Lmao please

Shipping is the devil.

lol the shipping bait

actually if anything this community is quite civil and we usually agree with each other

Pyscho Mantis was the lone exception lol but he/she was banished long ago

thus peace came to the land


maybe people will be turned off by some of the RYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGI posts
Shipping is terrible tbh
Not as terrible as NaruHina tho Sophia
 

TheRealTalker

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I remember though when NH became canon and somehow somewhere we were introduced of the existence of Sakura fans

odd times , real meltdowns
 

TheRealTalker

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indeed it was much drama but also such entertainment

if anything the plot we have right now with Boruto at least is only because NH happened

if not then the kid wouldn't have that eye plot or the O clan stuff as well

funny how that works

idk maybe they would've found some way to have a NS kid have some weird power, etc...


you wouldn't have Himawari though and that my friends is a crime
 

Flandy

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indeed it was much drama but also such entertainment

if anything the plot we have right now with Boruto at least is only because NH happened

if not then the kid wouldn't have that eye plot or the O clan stuff as well

funny how that works

idk maybe they would've found some way to have a NS kid have some weird power, etc...


you wouldn't have Himawari though and that my friends is a crime

I don't really have feelings for NaruSaku one way or the other. It's just amusing to rile up Sophia
I binged this stuff over like 10 days to join my brethren here.
what up loser
 

Android Sophia

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NaruSaku is better
Don't @ me

You better write that essay
Shipping is terrible tbh
Not as terrible as NaruHina tho Sophia
I don't really have feelings for NaruSaku one way or the other. It's just amusing to rile up Sophia

Yeah, I know you're just trying to rile me up, but I think you're gonna regret it. Hinata's not my favorite character for nothing. :D

Anyhow...

Naruto and Sakura have no romantic attraction to each other in the slightest. This is something they acknowledged even in series. On Naruto's side, his crush on Sakura is only fueled by two very shallow elements. The first being that he thought Sakura was pretty, and the second being that he felt he could beat Sasuke if he won Sakura's affection. The second element itself only came about due to Naruto's complete misunderstanding of romantic love and why someone would fall in love in the first place. On Sakura's side, even at the best of times she never demonstrated anything resembling genuine romantic affection towards Naruto. This was most evident in Chapter 469, in which even someone like Naruto, who has difficulty telling the four types of loves apart, could recognize that Sakura wasn't being sincere. He had been around Sasuke and Sakura enough to know what real love, what real romantic attraction on Sakura's part looked like, and what Sakura was showing him then clearly wasn't it.


To put simply; they may have been close friends, and loved each other in the way friends do, but their relationship never turned romantic. It was at best that of a brother-sister type relationship. Despite all of the red herrings around a potential Naruto and Sakura relationship, neither of them really showed the foundation needed for sparks to actually fly.

Naruto and Hinata's relationship is much stronger, with a much more solid foundation. Hinata's admiration of Naruto came about because she found someone going through problems just as bad (if not worse) than her own, yet that someone was able to persevere, endure, and even become a much better person for it. To her, Naruto was someone who could show her how to better handle her own problems. She didn't prescribe to the prejudices that the village had, due to her being naturally empathic of a person to begin with. This came out in full at the Chunin Exams, during her fight with Neji. Even though the two of them weren't close at the time, the fact that the person she admired so much cheered her on gave her the resolve to change herself. Kurenai acknowledges as such when she mentions in her narration that she's never seen Hinata have eyes full of determination like that before. This is also personally what resonated with me a lot; it's very powerful to have someone you admire support you during your hardest moments.

As stated above, Naruto himself doesn't really get romantic love. He understands it on a superficial level, but doesn't really connect the dots. More than that, he's a kinesthetic learner; he primarily learns by doing. Prior to this point he wasn't really capable of understanding why Hinata acted the way she did around him, because he had no basis for it, and Hinata was too shy to act upon her admiration (THANKS HIASHI~!) All the girls liked guys like Sasuke, and demonstrated attraction like how Sakura does with Sasuke. That was basically all Naruto understood for a very long time. So for him, the Chunin Exams was the first time he really started to understand attraction on a level above merely being superficial. He couldn't really put it into words, but seeing Hinata show an incredible amount of determination in fighting Neji made him realize there was something about her that was really impressive. Hence his "I never knew Hinata was this incredible." line. The fact that his impression is backed up by both Lee and Sakura stating how similar him and Hinata are only helps solidify that impression. And because Naruto is a fairly straightforward kinda guy, once he started getting a better impression of her, his thought process changed from "She's a dark and aloof girl" to "She's a really nice person, and I like her."

Naruto and Hinata's one on one conversation at the Chunin Exams, right before his fight with Neji, is also very significant. Naruto doesn't really open himself up to other people. He puts on a mask of being cheerful and straightforward, and buries his issues so that he can push forward. This is explicitly mentioned a few times during the series, mainly at the Waterfafll of Truth scene. Thus, the scene where Naruto and Hinata talk is significant because it's the first time in the series where Naruto actually lets someone see that side of him. The side that he normally hides. Usually, someone has to pry it out of him, but because Hinata always demonstrated kindness to Naruto, and never any of the scorn that most people do, he was able to open up to her during this scene. You can tell, based upon his body language, that Naruto was NOT expecting a positive reaction back, yet he got one.


Hinata managed to resonate with him in a way others haven't, and this cemented his change in opinion of her. He may have no understood the romantic implications of it at the time, but none the less it stuck. Moreover, it was the foundation for Hinata's admiration to change to genuine love, and for Naruto to find someone who actually understands him in a way few others can manage.

Now, I aint gonna mince words: Kishimoto absolutely sucks writing romance. We all know it, and Naruto and Hinata's relationship is no exception to this. Bascially everything that was in The Last, character development wise, needed to happen post Pain arc in the series proper, and it's real shame that it didn't. But every interaction that Naruto and Hinata have after the Chunin Exams really reaffirms what was established during those exams. That Naruto, for Hinata, is someone who helps her change for the better, and that Hinata, for Naruto, is someone who helps him understand himself for the better. The war arc, for all of it's flaws, best demonstrates this. The two of them constantly end up reassuring the other, picking the other up when they're at a low point, and finding solace in each other. No one else in the series comes close to that for Naruto, and ESPECIALLY NOT Sakura. Heck, not even Iruka gets to be on that level. That's why the two of them are such a good couple, and why their romance works so well in The Last despite all the writing fumbles that happened before. It continues on even into Boruto as a series too; At the end of the day, Naruto's wife is the one person he trusts above all else. The one person he doesn't have to try and put on a mask for, and who he can express his fears and insecurities to.


Speaking of Boruto, he's a pretty interesting and complex character because of how much of a blend he is of Naruto and Hinata. This is perhaps most noticeable in the stuff written by Kishimoto and Kodachi. Appearance wise, he has Naruto's blonde hair and blue eyes, but almost all of his facial features are Hinata's. His expressions and mannerisms are equal parts Hinata and Naruto too. Personality wise, while he's rambunctious and energetic like Naruto, he lacks the straightforward nature that Naruto has. He doesn't openly express his emotions, and he's got a real introspective nature, like Hinata. He's also quick to give him, like how Hinata was when she was young (before Naruto inspired and changed her), and this is demonstrated best in the Nue arc. He has a great deal of hesitation in being tested over his Byakugan, a very Hinata-ish trait, but puts up an of confidence over it, just like Naruto. When it's all said and done, and he was unable to make the Byakugan manifest sparring with Hanabi, he starts demonstrating traits that are VERY similar to Hinata. He gives up very easily and puts himself down. While he does have Naruto's trait of bouncing back, it takes him much longer, and it takes outside events (In this case, Hanabi and then the incident with Kasemaga) to really get him going again.

Another good example of this with Boruto comes during their graduation exam to become Genin. Kakashi really berates and tears down Boruto on a psychological level, and it leaves a clear mark on Boruto. He doesn't bounce back easily from it like Naruto. Much like Hinata, he puts himself down, he blames himself, he gives up easily, etc It takes the other members of the class to convince him to get back up, to give it another shot. While most of the time he might resemble Naruto, it's during these moments that he really resembles his mother and actually takes on some of her most negative traits. And ultimately he's actually a pretty sweet, if horribly insecure, child underneath his rambunctious energetic nature. I'm very curious to see where they go with Boruto as a character because of this, especially in the manga.
 
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Flandy

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Yeah, I know you're just trying to rile me up, but I think you're gonna regret it. Hinata's not my favorite character for nothing. :D

Anyhow...

Naruto and Sakura have no romantic attraction to each other in the slightest. This is something they acknowledged even in series. On Naruto's side, his crush on Sakura is only fueled by two very shallow elements. The first being that he thought Sakura was pretty, and the second being that he felt he could beat Sasuke if he won Sakura's affection. The second element itself only came about due to Naruto's complete misunderstanding of romantic love and why someone would fall in love in the first place. On Sakura's side, even at the best of times she never demonstrated anything resembling genuine romantic affection towards Naruto. This was most evident in Chapter 469, in which even someone like Naruto, who has difficulty telling the four types of loves apart, could recognize that Sakura wasn't being sincere. He had been around Sasuke and Sakura enough to know what real love, what real romantic attraction on Sakura's part looked like, and what Sakura was showing him then clearly wasn't it.



To put simply; they may have been close friends, and loved each other in the way friends do, but their relationship never turned romantic. It was at best that of a brother-sister type relationship. Despite all of the red herrings around a potential Naruto and Sakura relationship, neither of them really showed the foundation needed for sparks to actually fly.

Naruto and Hinata's relationship is much stronger, with a much more solid foundation. Hinata's admiration of Naruto came about because she found someone going through problems just as bad (if not worse) than her own, yet that someone was able to persevere, endure, and even become a much better person for it. To her, Naruto was someone who could show her how to better handle her own problems. She didn't prescribe to the prejudices that the village had, due to her being naturally empathic of a person to begin with. This came out in full at the Chunin Exams, during her fight with Neji. Even though the two of them weren't close at the time, the fact that the person she admired so much cheered her on gave her the resolve to change herself. Kurenai acknowledges as such when she mentions in her narration that she's never seen Hinata have eyes full of determination like that before. This is also personally what resonated with me a lot; it's very powerful to have someone you admire support you during your hardest moments.

As stated above, Naruto himself doesn't really get romantic love. He understands it on a superficial level, but doesn't really connect the dots. More than that, he's a kinesthetic learner; he primarily learns by doing. Prior to this point he wasn't really capable of understanding why Hinata acted the way she did around him, because he had no basis for it, and Hinata was too shy to act upon her admiration (THANKS HIASHI~!) All the girls liked guys like Sasuke, and demonstrated attraction like how Sakura does with Sasuke. That was basically all Naruto understood for a very long time. So for him, the Chunin Exams was the first time he really started to understand attraction on a level above merely being superficial. He couldn't really put it into words, but seeing Hinata show an incredible amount of determination in fighting Neji made him realize there was something about her that was really impressive. Hence his "I never knew Hinata was this incredible." line. The fact that his impression is backed up by both Lee and Sakura stating how similar him and Hinata are only helps solidify that impression. And because Naruto is a fairly straightforward kinda guy, once he started getting a better impression of her, his thought process changed from "She's a dark and aloof girl" to "She's a really nice person, and I like her."

Naruto and Hinata's one on one conversation at the Chunin Exams, right before his fight with Neji, is also very significant. Naruto doesn't really open himself up to other people. He puts on a mask of being cheerful and straightforward, and buries his issues so that he can push forward. This is explicitly mentioned a few times during the series, mainly at the Waterfafll of Truth scene. Thus, the scene where Naruto and Hinata talk is significant because it's the first time in the series where Naruto actually lets someone see that side of him. The side that he normally hides. Usually, someone has to pry it out of him, but because Hinata always demonstrated kindness to Naruto, and never any of the scorn that most people do, he was able to open up to her during this scene. You can tell, based upon his body language, that Naruto was NOT expecting a positive reaction back, yet he got one.



Hinata managed to resonate with him in a way others haven't, and this cemented his change in opinion of her. He may have no understood the romantic implications of it at the time, but none the less it stuck. Moreover, it was the foundation for Hinata's admiration to change to genuine love, and for Naruto to find someone who actually understands him in a way few others can manage.

Now, I aint gonna mince words: Kishimoto absolutely sucks writing romance. We all know it, and Naruto and Hinata's relationship is no exception to this. Bascially everything that was in The Last, character development wise, needed to happen post Pain arc in the series proper, and it's real shame that it didn't. But every interaction that Naruto and Hinata have after the Chunin Exams really reaffirms what was established during those exams. That Naruto, for Hinata, is someone who helps her change for the better, and that Hinata, for Naruto, is someone who helps him understand himself for the better. The war arc, for all of it's flaws, best demonstrates this. The two of them constantly end up reassuring the other, picking the other up when they're at a low point, and finding solace in each other. No one else in the series comes close to that for Naruto, and ESPECIALLY NOT Sakura. Heck, not even Iruka gets to be on that level. That's why the two of them are such a good couple, and why their romance works so well in The Last despite all the writing fumbles that happened before. It continues on even into Boruto as a series too; At the end of the day, Naruto's wife is the one person he trusts above all else. The one person he doesn't have to try and put on a mask for, and who he can express his fears and insecurities to.



Speaking of Boruto, he's a pretty interesting and complex character because of how much of a blend he is of Naruto and Hinata. This is perhaps most noticeable in the stuff written by Kishimoto and Kodachi. Appearance wise, he has Naruto's blonde hair and blue eyes, but almost all of his facial features are Hinata's. His expressions and mannerisms are equal parts Hinata and Naruto too. Personality wise, while he's rambunctious and energetic like Naruto, he lacks the straightforward nature that Naruto has. He doesn't openly express his emotions, and he's got a real introspective nature, like Hinata. He's also quick to give him, like how Hinata was when she was young (before Naruto inspired and changed her), and this is demonstrated best in the Nue arc. He has a great deal of hesitation in being tested over his Byakugan, a very Hinata-ish trait, but puts up an of confidence over it, just like Naruto. When it's all said and done, and he was unable to make the Byakugan manifest sparring with Hanabi, he starts demonstrating traits that are VERY similar to Hinata. He gives up very easily and puts himself down. While he does have Naruto's trait of bouncing back, it takes him much longer, and it takes outside events (In this case, Hanabi and then the incident with Kasemaga) to really get him going again.

Another good example of this with Boruto comes during their graduation exam to become Genin. Kakashi really berates and tears down Boruto on a psychological level, and it leaves a clear mark on Boruto. He doesn't bounce back easily from it like Naruto. Much like Hinata, he puts himself down, he blames himself, he gives up easily, etc It takes the other members of the class to convince him to get back up, to give it another shot. While most of the time he might resemble Naruto, it's during these moments that he really resembles his mother and actually takes on some of her most negative traits. And ultimately he's actually a pretty sweet, if horribly insecure, child underneath his rambunctious energetic nature. I'm very curious to see where they go with Boruto as a character because of this, especially in the manga.

Oh my god
How do I even reply to this
 

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Don't make fun of Sophia for such a good, introspective post. It's lovely. If you have nothing to say, don't. No need to be mean. Good research goes a long way.

...

Anyway, now that I'm here, when's the last time Anko showed up?
 

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I don't think I've ever gone into the Dragon Ball/One Piece threads.

Mind you, I'm not a huge fan of One Piece, but it's weird that I don't go into Dragon Ball threads given I do love that.
 

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Don't make fun of Sophia for such a good, introspective post. It's lovely. If you have nothing to say, don't. No need to be mean. Good research goes a long way.

...

Anyway, now that I'm here, when's the last time Anko showed up?
Hmm? I didn't make fun of the post. I actually thought it was a really good and enlightening post. Told her as much on twitter lol
 

TheRealTalker

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Anytime that someone says Sakura is better for Naruto then just reply back with

show me a speech she did that mentally effected Naruto in a good way

Hinata has two, Sakura couldn't even do one for Sasuke had to rely on Naruto for that one

the line where Sasuke asked why Sakura even liked him and Kakashi replied back with "you need no reason to love"

yeah no thanks lol we would've had Boruto Gaiden if that was the case and not Sarada Gaiden
 

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Don't let all this Sakura and Hinata talk distract you from the fact that Sasuke was Narutos first kiss. The true OTP
 

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Oh, I know that episode. But I mean everything else. How does it compare to Part 1 Naruto?

In many ways, it feels like a more lighthearted part 1 Naruto, but with all the worldbuilding from Shippuden in. I've enjoyed the series a lot myself, and typically there's been some pretty amazing moments at the end of each major arc.