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Boris Johnson confirmed as next UK PM as Conservatives announce new leader
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Labour's Peter Kyle asks what legal changes Johnson wants to introduce to enhance workers' rights that would not be allowed if the UK remained in the EU?
Johnson says that is for the Commons to decide.
Nothing Is Impossible For The Man Who Doesn't Have To Do It Himself
Johnson says that is for the Commons to decide.
Nothing Is Impossible For The Man Who Doesn't Have To Do It Himself
Corbyn isnt a nut job, but i do believe he would be terribly damaging for the UK if prime minister.
More so that the current shambles too.
Neither party would 'win' a general election.
Another GE will cause the minority to be even shorter on both sides as a result of parties fracturing even more over remain/leave.
UK Politics is fucked for at least a generation.
And it's all Thanks to David Cameron. Well done.
Another GE will cause the minority to be even shorter on both sides as a result of parties fracturing even more over remain/leave.
UK Politics is fucked for at least a generation.
And it's all Thanks to David Cameron. Well done.
Neither party winning would be a good result. We might get some consensus and coalition government then. It is needed. Both sides need to be tamed in my view. The Tories are infinitely worse but doesn't mean Labour are where you'd want them to be. A Labour Lib Dem coalition could be a good thing - but would need serious concessions on both sides.
Considering the way the last Coalition went, I doubt it would be good.
I also have doubts that a Coalition would be doable with two parties. I see things being fractured enough that you'd need a coalition between several parties.
I also don't see any parties wanting a Coalition with each other. They would rather have a small minority gov that can't get anything through parliament than work together.
(Far) left or right; for me, those two are on the same side of the coin. I'm a centrist and I think Corbyn would become a Russian puppet just like Farage would become an American one (and a Russian one, too). UK really is stucked between a rock and a hard place with those two being the only realistic opponents for Boris.
Let's not forget that the very only reason Corbyn suddenly thinking about supporting another referendum is that he believes it will raise his chances. Down in his core, he's a leaver just like Farage, he's a racist just like Farage, and he'll make a deal with the devil to become PM, just like Farage.
So, sorry for hurting anyone' feelings when I say that the leader of Labour Party is a nut job. Please do not confuse this with my perception of that party as a whole.
Let's not forget that the very only reason Corbyn suddenly thinking about supporting another referendum is that he believes it will raise his chances. Down in his core, he's a leaver just like Farage, he's a racist just like Farage, and he'll make a deal with the devil to become PM, just like Farage.
So, sorry for hurting anyone' feelings when I say that the leader of Labour Party is a nut job. Please do not confuse this with my perception of that party as a whole.
If that happened, it'd be the best thing ever for this country.
But as it stands, I see UK Politics not recovering for years. The UK being split up is also not a big stretch to think anymore imo.
Corybn is a racist like Farage?
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Oh, please don't worry. This isn't hurting feelings, it's entertainment.
Lol what the fuck???? The remain forced have ALREADY defeated the government back earlier this year and brexit had to be moved 6 months. ALREADY labour, with explicit and full backing from corbyns office voted for a second ref, and a deal, Common market 2.0, before they went remain with the recent policy change. If not for this support, then we would REALLY be in the shit now. But no, despite the internal struggles, remain pa
The likes of lib Dems, greens and the remain force in labour won elections, local ones this year and the better then expected result in the EU elections. Remainer forces in labour have SUCCESSIVELY pushed the party and leadership to embrace a remain position and a second ref one, it HAS been slow going, but continually the leadership, AND CORBYN, have moved towards sanity and the better option each time. BoJo will force them to be a full bore remain party, but one that will have to get a deal to put it up against remain.
Look, I get the despair, but this was always going to be the end game, ever since the gov, and every other party in parliament, was happy to kick the can down the line as much as possible.
I'm sorry but we are not close to being done, this shit will go down to the wire, with a British public that is evermore remain, and a minority that actually wants no deal. I don't trust election polls as far as I can throw them, but there HAS been a significant shift in public opinion in the past year. As the old brexiters die off, due to the cons austerity agenda, more young people are choosing remain.
Remember, only 5 mil or so voted for BXP in the EU elections, remainer parties had overall more votes. Despite the bxp hype, lid dems and greens exceeded expectations and the BXP could NOT translate that supposed momentum into winning a by election in a heavy leave area. In fact lab increased the majority by 10%. The BXP also sound downbeat on the upcoming by election in Wales, another leave voting area.
On top of this, there won't be a pact between farage and Johnson, one thier respective egos are too damn big, but secondly one of the BXP aims is to replace the Tories wholesale, not work with them, they want to defeat them and take the place of the hard right wing party in the UK. Nothing less. Faages overtures towards Tories is the usual bullshit he spouts. Expect and almighty battle between them in the GE. A weak Tory party is better for BXP then to partner with them. They know this.
Not sure what you think staffing the cabinet with dyed in the wool leavers, who will either eat each alive or be so closed off from the outside world that they will make all the mistakes in the world when it comes to a GE, is smart. This is a bunch of yes people to Johnson.
Also, gaffe by Boris calling fucking Corbyn a remainer, yes do this more so they get an even bigger polling lead. Fucking idiot. This is a shit shower already.
All this shit he is promising will not happen, his own cabinet will see to that. This is just may part Deux.
Anti-semitism doesn't qualify as racism these days? Seriously asking.
Git doesn't sound "entertained", now does he?
As much as I would love to see Boris shafted - we should all be hoping the EU takes pity on us, because as things stand, we're fucked in 98 days.
That you're squawking about anti-Semitism is even more fun.
Stop reading the Daily Mail.
Even if I agree with what Corbyn is broadly supposed to stand for (reducing inequality, more money for public services, nationalisation over privatisation), I worry that his 'image' is too tarnished to actually win a general election.
Rightly or wrongly (I think he has been deservedly critcised by some and unfairly criticised by others), his brand is an issue right now.
I don't care if he becomes PM or not, but I do want an actually socially conscious, genuinely left-of-centre government whoever it is who leads it.
Rightly or wrongly (I think he has been deservedly critcised by some and unfairly criticised by others), his brand is an issue right now.
I don't care if he becomes PM or not, but I do want an actually socially conscious, genuinely left-of-centre government whoever it is who leads it.
It's amazing how Diane Abbot is being brought up in a thread about Boris fucking Johnson being made PM, especially when the person in Abbot's Ministerial position is Priti Patel, someone who appears to be both an actual psychopath and a total moron
What the fuck am I reading
you, hand on heart, think jeremy corbyn himself is an anti-semite? seriously asking.
I thought the current line was that Corbyn is a lovely chap but he isn't getting a grip of the anti-semitism, i get the orthodox and left wing jews he hangs around with are the wrong type for some reason.
Well, while I can think of a lot of talking points used against him that are completely ridiculous, there are things about Jeremy Corbyn that have been dismissed as cynical media smears that I genuinely think are legitimate problems that he should answer for.
This is exactly what Boris wants though. He wants a no-deal brexit and that would give him exactly that.
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Fuck off?
I'm not entertained, no. This is most certainly the worst cabinet I've ever seen, maybe ever. Thinking a Labour government would be more damaging is astoundingly inane.
Lmao the takes in this thread are amazing. Feelings aren't hurt, this is just hilarious to read because it is so emblematic of how grossly misinformed and self-deluding the 'centrist' position is.
Enjoy continued austerity, booming inequality, NHS privatization, ecological collapse, and a wholesale shift to the far right with this kind of awfully silly thinking.
Which is all irrelevant because all it takes is "Commie Corbyn" and the regulars are frothing.
Bingo.
I don't think Boris actually wants no deal, it's just a lot of bluster. Like Trump, when push comes to shove Boris is a coward. But unlike Trump, Boris is actually quite intelligent (the bumbling man thing is absolutely an act), and he knows no deal would mean his personal legacy would, in the long term, be dirt. He doesn't want that, I don't think. He only cares about himself, after all.
It could force the conservatives into a coalition with Farage, the absolute worst of all worlds
I mean our system is so partisan that coalition is difficult. I'm hoping that something could be done to prevent a hard Brexit if necessary.
The UK is on the verge of having its entire place in the world permanently destroyed on top of years of Tory mismanagement that has caused spiraling inequality and quality of life generally getting much worse, and that's before we even get to the NHS, but no, the guy who wants to own some trains is definitely somehow worse.
It's not an act, he may have a degree of smarts inherent to his privilege but, imo, he plays it up to cover up the fact he truly is one.
Any sustained speech and you'll see it. The man is a clown.
That is one theory - I'd argue that were the Brexit party large enough in parliament to form a meaningful coalition it would mean Labour would be the largest party...just my view. Brexit party doing well would mean Brexit delayed again.
The danger is Boris calling an election pre Brexit to push for a no deal mandate and Farage teaming up to support his campaign that would be a problem.
I don't know. If anything he will want to be seen as the hero that got us out of the EU and made a success of it (smart people can still be delusional). All of his bluster today sounded like the start of an early election campaign and he'll cosy up with Farage and the Brexit Party to get a 'mandate' to do whatever the hell he wants.
You're overestimating Johnson's intelligence and underestimating his cynical desire for power
He would be fine with the UK being turned to ash, as long as he is in power
I dunno, I think legacy is absolutely everything to narcissistic people like him. It's why Cameron quit straight away - he knew his legacy was fucked but it'd only be worse if he stayed. It's why May was so devastated; because her legacy is a net zero (and we even got leaks from inside number 10 about her incredibly panicked, negative reaction to the brilliant Private Eye cover when she announced she was going).
You're right that power was all he cared about, but he has that now. He'll want to cling to power for as long as possible, but he also surely knows that in hindsight when he leaves office his legacy will be his power. His legacy will also determine his earning power post-premiership, which is why Blair is so loaded and has fingers in so many pies while the disgraced Cameron and now May will probably have a very low public profile going forwards.
Leaks and reports from his camp have indicated that he knows No Deal is a path to ruin not just of the country, but of the Boris Johnson 'brand', and he cares about that. That's why for a long time Rees-Mogg and the other disgusting lowlives wouldn't support him, because they thought he wouldn't have the bottle. Whatever he said to them to reassure them, but to be honest I don't think he does.
He will brandish No Deal as a threat and hope the EU blinks. If the EU does not blink, he will hope parliament blinks. If Parliament does not blink and stop him, he will bottle it and call a General Election, so then if No Deal has to be forced through he can say it was mandated by a strong Brexit Party position in parliament, absolving himself of a share of the blame. I feel you can mark that.
Like I say above, I think an election is part of the cynical back-up plan between now and October 31, to be honest. I think he'd rather rush through a lukewarm deal, a slight improvement on May's, of course. But I think either way, we'll have an election announced within 6 months. If we're cruising for a really damaging no deal he will press that as an emergency get out of jail free card. If he manages to get a deal through, he will immediately have a GE before the implications and ramifications of the deal become clear to get a new 5-year mandate on the "he freed us from the shackles of the EU!!" narrative.
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This is why I, probably mistakenly, think this is an echo chamber for Labour.
I think that, as much of a shambles the current government is, Labout led by Corbyn / Abbott has been worse as an opposition, and would have been worse as a government.
And no, im not "having a stroke". I thought we were above this?
It's kinda nuts how the narrative that Labour put us into the shit financially but national debt was way lower, 1 trillion when they left office then than it is now and it only really ballooned under Labour at the end with the financial crisis. SInce then the Tories have put another trillion on it and it's about 85% of GDP. This mob will push that further for their own private ends. Where the hell did that money go?
Why do you think this is the case? What in Corbyn's career has been comparable to Johnson's run as London Mayor where he'd do things such as throw away around £100,000,000 on vanity projects and utterly fucking up transport?
Blairs legacy was a complete mess, and a reputation as a warmonger with blood on his hands. In the UK at least, his brand is extremely toxic to this day.
He walked into the official Special Envoy of the "Special Envoy" job, trying to keep peace in the middle east - how ridiculous and absurd.
What has Corbyn done in opposition that is worse than austerity, Grenfell and Windrush?
I'll wait.
In what way?
I get people fear his public ownership ideas and spending, won't fire a nuke, anti war, tax ideas but is that really hell on earth compared to getting shafted by this lot?
I agree he has been absolutely useless on anti semitism, never a leader in a month of Sundays but what makes him and his party so unpalatable in comparison?
That would be chicken feed to the money needed for Corbyns recommended re-nationalisation of some companies/ utilities.
Well he was friends with Diane Abbot for a start
Apparently he is just as racist as Farage too. And don't even get me started about his time as the leader of the IRA and Hamas
You ar deluding yourself if you think that left leaning government would do less damage than the fucking idiots who brought your nation to the brink of disaster.