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Boris Johnson confirmed as next UK PM as Conservatives announce new leader
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My point was, we (not me) voted to leave the EU. If we had got what we (not me) voted for, we wouldn't have Johnson now.
The last thing the EU will accept is the erosion/subversion of its core principles as it pertains to the four freedoms. It may not want no deal but it will accept it over giving the UK special treatment that contradicts its beliefs in full view of the rest of the European community. We have virtually no leverage and never did.
Are we still pretending this is the case? Because, I got bad news for you.
Robocop is another example. He looked at them and unironically thought 'mmmmmmm, noice'.
Him and Patel are genuinely the dangers to the country that they portray Labour as.
Not that the royals really matter, but it says something that Boris has already fucked it and broken royal protocol, by blubbing the substance of his private conversation with the queen within about 5 minutes of walking through the doors to number 10 - which has thus been promptly leaked to the press. This is how he is most similar to Trump, honestly - a complete disregard for whatever rules, tradition, history, or even common sense might dictate.
Mogg would be absolutely terrible at that job (granted, I wouldn't think much of him in any cabinet role, but as leader of the Commons, when he's spent his whole career throwing bombs inside the Tory caucus?).
They knew that deal would never get through parliament. It's been a shitshow all round.
Who?, because unlike the UK there are multiple partners with their own interests to keep happy on the EU/Europe side.
I didnt understand this until i searched for that on google.
Lol
Which isn't the EU's fault, the UK red lines are soley responsible for the issues, EU has to work around them.
If anything the EU has bent over backwards to give us a good deal as we got.
No. The absolute last thing the EU want is for the EU to be damaged more than it has to be over Brexit. The UK leaving without a deal will be damaging to both sides, yes, but the UK leaving with a deal that favours them over a small member state like Ireland, along with putting a hole in the single market, would be existential damage to the EU.
Take the standard super hero structure. Make the individual the hero and the supporters of socialism the enemy. Throw in some rape fantasies and awful writing and you have Ayn Rand.
As somebody who recently finished The Fountainhead don't even bother reading her stuff it's some of the worst literature I have ever read. Lacks subtlety in anyway shape and form, completely contradictory, under researched, structurally a mess, and goes off on completely unnecessary tangents. The characters are interesting and the basic setup is interesting but the way the story progresses is a joke, the courtroom speech at the end is laughable and makes no sense given the context. Ideological drivel.
Yep, someone in government seriously thinks you can compare this country to a city state and not end up with serious social collapse.
There were a number of issues, firstly the rhetoric from the leave campaign was terrible, the whole cake and eat it business made people think that we could get all the benefits of the EU without any of the other responsibilities.
May's red lines were also a big problem, going into a negotiation like that is never conducive to productive negotiation, she also had an issue with trying to appease everyone, something which can be very problematic.
He was Security Minister in 2017 and praised for his response to the bombings then, former commander in the Scots Guard, private landlord who voted against an amendment designed to force private landlords to make their homes fit for human habitation, one of Boris Johnson's biggest cronies.
The only up side is it ensures Williamson doesn't return to a role where he gets security briefings. Given that what Williamson did should have resulted in jail time, him being kept away from security matters is probably the best we can hope for from this Government.
Well his cabinet picks are all the worst of the Tories. Priti Patel back I believe.. urgh. Get ready for some hefty Israel pandering. All the rest are as bad if not worse.
They're certainly doing a great job of pushing Scottish people over the edge. So good on BoJo for that at least!
They're certainly doing a great job of pushing Scottish people over the edge. So good on BoJo for that at least!
What's the benefit of that vs. doing what May did 2 years ago?
I think the idea that he's engineering that is far fetched conspiracy, but in theory, to entertain it for a second, it would give him a sense of deniability - he lost because he wasn't ready, it was too soon - rather than what happened to May, which looked like her calling an election out of hubris then getting smacked by the weakest opposition for years.
The Boris camp is very leaky, though, and we know he has actively entertained the idea of calling a fast election to "smash Corbyn" and gain a mandate, and I honestly think that will happen - just not straight away. He'll get to Halloween, and if Brexit goes through in any measure, he'll call a GE before the negative effects of Brexit become clear, and thanks to jubilant Brexiteers he'll probably walk away with a bigger majority and a five-year mandate.
Optics? I guess if it's a VonC he can spin that in a number of ways. "Labour forcing a GE at this vital time for our country" etc.
Time and history are flat circles, filled with "Well it's not gonna happen to me is it?"
If he goes full nationalism and teams with the brexit party he might not tank them either, especially if the media fully go after Labour.
The idea of a christmas election annoys me no fucking end, i can't see him doing it then.
It's either before to try and get a workable majority or well into next year.
But calling an election in November would require either that he survived a VonC (which looks pretty shaky to me) or none was called before Brexit.
he's got a cabinet full of Brexiteers and he's probably going to call a General Election to get a majority of his own party in the house
this is more like Theresa May 2.0
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but while Boris acts like a dumbass in public like Trump, he's way more effective as a politician behind the scenes.
If it's a no deal brexit then it would look really bad to call an election, because shit will be hitting the fan and you can't park the civil service for 6 weeks with shit hitting the fan.
I think in real terms Brexit is unlikely to just sail through, however, which I think means an election sooner. Honestly, I expect Johnson to wave around no deal at the EU, brandish it far more threateningly than May did, and hope the EU balks and backs down. If the EU doesn't, the buck then passes to parliament: he will secretly be hoping parliament blocks him, thus taking the pressure of enacting a damaging, unpopular no deal off him. At which point he'll call an election to break the deadlock and also to buy more time from the EU, as they've indicated an election as one of the few things they'd delay again for.
So if any Tories actually gave a ahit they could actually resign from the party and become an independent.
It. Would. Only. Take. Two.
It. Would. Only. Take. Two.
Effective, perhaps not, his buffoonery exterior is a cover 100% but he is reckless out of laziness and not caring about anyone except himself but is very clever and calculating which makes him dangerous.
Yeah, i think it's best for everyone if he just get on with it as soon as possible, before people on his side feel he's playing them.
But of course. The supposed party of personal responsibility, of moral rectitude, and of service to the nation died long ago. It's a shysters party floating atop so much conceit it's astonishing anyone can take them seriously. Then a vox pop appears and all is explained.
How do they keep getting away with it. UK media....? Our team philosophy so nothing matters?
Fifteen minutes later, the prime ministerial limo pulled up and Johnson shambled his way to the wooden lectern. This was his big moment. The one he'd been waiting for all his life. The one he had lied, backstabbed and cheated to get his hands on. Here was his chance to make the speech of his life. To amaze and engage. But then, why break the habit of a lifetime?
Johnson waved his arms randomly in the air, as if someone was giving him electric shocks, and began babbling. "Pifflepafflewifflewaffle," he began. Meet the new bollocks. The same as the old bollocks. It was basically all the fault of the 48% who had voted remain that the country was in the state it was in. The gloomsters and the doomsters had just got to learn to cheer up a bit and believe in some blue-remembered-hills version of Blighty. There's nothing more guaranteed to make you depressed than to be told to be optimistic by a narcissistic fantasist. A man you wouldn't trust to do the shopping, let alone run a government.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-by-blaming-half-the-country-for-our-problems
Johnson waved his arms randomly in the air, as if someone was giving him electric shocks, and began babbling. "Pifflepafflewifflewaffle," he began. Meet the new bollocks. The same as the old bollocks. It was basically all the fault of the 48% who had voted remain that the country was in the state it was in. The gloomsters and the doomsters had just got to learn to cheer up a bit and believe in some blue-remembered-hills version of Blighty. There's nothing more guaranteed to make you depressed than to be told to be optimistic by a narcissistic fantasist. A man you wouldn't trust to do the shopping, let alone run a government.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-by-blaming-half-the-country-for-our-problems