read the post you quoted
I literallly never said any of that
every other post i've made in this thread is agreeing with you
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Bloomberg Pledges $17M to Help Register Black Voters in Battleground States
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I literallly never said any of that
every other post i've made in this thread is agreeing with you
There's nothing here to be proud about or even feel a sense of solidarity to. This shouldn't be happening. It will be shameful if taking help from such wretchedness is what will take to preserve our collective survival.
looks like it somehow generated you as the quoted user from another users post and included their text. How odd!
The post I made was meant for Stinkles
If your politics are already as deep in the hole as they are in the US you might as well keep digging, I suppose.
I can set my personal feelings about his run aside to say that this is good news. Whatever it takes to get Cheeto Benito out
Probably, he did endorse him after all. But more people voting is good, not bad. As long as they aren't forced to write down a specific answer I don't see any way its bad.
Reminder the Bloomberg's spending in 2018 was super influential in Democrats winning the house. He spent huge in 24 House races, and Democrats won 21 of them, almost all of which in swing districts and many that went for Trump in 2016.
www.nytimes.com
THere's a strong likelihood that Democrats either don't win the House in 2018 without his spending, or they win on a very very slim majority.
There is a large group of people on this forum that would rather have Donald Trump as a president, and a Republican controlled House, Senate, and supreme court than *gasp* someone in the billionaire class spends his own money against Republicans. Is there a catch? Of course, there always is. But the alternative to Trump and Republican Congress and Supreme Court isn't Bernie Sanders. If every House candidate who ran in a Trump or purple district were Bernie Sanders, Republicans would have expanded their majority in the House and rubber stamped the entire Republican agenda. Instead, Donald Trump has not signed any meaningful conservative policy in 2 years, he's been impeached, and he's poised to lose the 2020 presidential race.
He said he would support whoever the Democratic nominee was throughout this whole election. The response prior to Super Tuesday was "But he's lying!" and now the response after Super Tuesday is "He's only doing it to help the establishment!"
How Michael Bloomberg Used His Money to Aid Democratic Victories in the House (Published 2018)
Democrats backed by Mr. Bloomberg’s organization won 21 of 24 House races, making him among the most influential donors of the election cycle.
THere's a strong likelihood that Democrats either don't win the House in 2018 without his spending, or they win on a very very slim majority.
There is a large group of people on this forum that would rather have Donald Trump as a president, and a Republican controlled House, Senate, and supreme court than *gasp* someone in the billionaire class spends his own money against Republicans. Is there a catch? Of course, there always is. But the alternative to Trump and Republican Congress and Supreme Court isn't Bernie Sanders. If every House candidate who ran in a Trump or purple district were Bernie Sanders, Republicans would have expanded their majority in the House and rubber stamped the entire Republican agenda. Instead, Donald Trump has not signed any meaningful conservative policy in 2 years, he's been impeached, and he's poised to lose the 2020 presidential race.
He said he would support whoever the Democratic nominee was throughout this whole election. The response prior to Super Tuesday was "But he's lying!" and now the response after Super Tuesday is "He's only doing it to help the establishment!"
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Is it really unfathomable for you that Bloomberg simply wants Democrats to beat Trump? It's consistent with everything he's said and done over the last 3-4 years.
"No catch, but Bloomberg does technically live in New Jersey."
The "catch" is that he would have kept his money or helped Trump instead if Bernie was the frontrunner.
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Bloombergs biggest irony of them all is that he does not have to be President or in any government position of power to do any of the policies or plans he proposed for the Black Community. He's rich as fuck, he can put all that shit together at anytime if it was truly coming from good intentions..
But nah let's give him power. Let's applaud his efforts even tho anyone with a brain can see how this entire move was a self preservation act because Biden floundered early on and Bernie started looking like he could potentially get the nom.
You all bitch moan whine about billionaires but turn right around and kiss ass when it's on your side. No such things as allies.
Is helping more black people vote a good thing? Sure.
But take a second to examine the language y'all are using. Ally? Morally grey? For Bloomberg?
Y'all some fools forreal
But nah let's give him power. Let's applaud his efforts even tho anyone with a brain can see how this entire move was a self preservation act because Biden floundered early on and Bernie started looking like he could potentially get the nom.
You all bitch moan whine about billionaires but turn right around and kiss ass when it's on your side. No such things as allies.
Is helping more black people vote a good thing? Sure.
But take a second to examine the language y'all are using. Ally? Morally grey? For Bloomberg?
Y'all some fools forreal
Who said it, Clay Davis or The Democratic Party:
"You think I have time to ask a man why he giving me money? Or where he gets his money from? I'll take any motherfucker's money if he givin' it away!"
"You think I have time to ask a man why he giving me money? Or where he gets his money from? I'll take any motherfucker's money if he givin' it away!"
This thought is separate from users like myself who find issue with using the term "morally gray" to describe fucking Bloomberg.Reminder the Bloomberg's spending in 2018 was super influential in Democrats winning the house. He spent huge in 24 House races, and Democrats won 21 of them, almost all of which in swing districts and many that went for Trump in 2016.
How Michael Bloomberg Used His Money to Aid Democratic Victories in the House (Published 2018)
Democrats backed by Mr. Bloomberg’s organization won 21 of 24 House races, making him among the most influential donors of the election cycle.
THere's a strong likelihood that Democrats either don't win the House in 2018 without his spending, or they win on a very very slim majority.
There is a large group of people on this forum that would rather have Donald Trump as a president, and a Republican controlled House, Senate, and supreme court than *gasp* someone in the billionaire class spends his own money against Republicans. Is there a catch? Of course, there always is. But the alternative to Trump and Republican Congress and Supreme Court isn't Bernie Sanders. If every House candidate who ran in a Trump or purple district were Bernie Sanders, Republicans would have expanded their majority in the House and rubber stamped the entire Republican agenda. Instead, Donald Trump has not signed any meaningful conservative policy in 2 years, he's been impeached, and he's poised to lose the 2020 presidential race.
He said he would support whoever the Democratic nominee was throughout this whole election. The response prior to Super Tuesday was "But he's lying!" and now the response after Super Tuesday is "He's only doing it to help the establishment!"
Hell no. What I will not let go by is a poster insinuating Bloomberg's recent political ploys benefitting the removal of Trump somehow downplays the heinous shit he enacted and STILL believes in. He is the furthest thing from "morally gray", and to say such is exemplary of antipathy towards the people his rhetoric targets.
I see posts like this and I wonder if the poster is living in the same world that I am.
George W. Bush was morally gray? Ronald Reagan was morally gray? Really?
Bloomberg isn't morally gray. He's evil, full stop.
Bloomberg shaking that dogs mouth upset White Liberals more than his past record as mayor. #allies
was this his whole plan along to help Biden make his way towards the nom and now he's going to make sure he helps see him through to the end goal?
Bloomberg is basically Revolver Ocelot
I mean, white folks have a long track record of caring about animals more than they care about us. Remember that dentist who shot a lion? He got death threats. Meanwhile innocent black men and women get executed by cops every week and white America doesn't give two fucks.
Fantastic
He should have done from the start instead of pissing 500 million dollars away on a vanity campaign. Now drop 34 million on hispanics and asians in TX, AZ and California next, Bloombito. Daddy needs a new pair of senators from Colorado and Arizona.
Edit: LMAO @ Bloomberg being Ocelot. I'm cracking up lol.
He should have done from the start instead of pissing 500 million dollars away on a vanity campaign. Now drop 34 million on hispanics and asians in TX, AZ and California next, Bloombito. Daddy needs a new pair of senators from Colorado and Arizona.
Edit: LMAO @ Bloomberg being Ocelot. I'm cracking up lol.
Yeah lol you'd have to be extremely gullible to think it's because he hates Trump
He just wants much more influence politically.
He spent plenty of money on Republicans the last 3 - 4 years, never mind 10 or 20. He donated to Republicans in 2018 as well, including swing districts and some truly awful types like Pete King.
I didn't refer to Bloomberg as "morally gray" at all, not in that post, not in any post in this thread or any other. I don't like Bloomberg. But I like his spending on Democratic races in 2018 and his spending towards banning guns. Sadly, he's done more for the gun control issue than any Democrat running for president. It's unfortunate that it has to come from a schmuck like Bloomberg, but it's an instance where I'm fine with his money because nobody else -- least of all Bernie Sanders -- is doing the work that Bloomberg and his money has done on that issue. He funds the single largest legislative political action committee against gun proliferation. I'm not going to throw that away just because he's a dirtbag in other areas, it's too important, it's too influential, and it's an area where the leading progressive in the Democratic race can't really be bothered. I wish Sanders did care more than lip service, but he doesn't, hunting in rural Vermont has historically been more important to him than my daughter with a target on her back at her Jewish daycare center. It's perverse, but the Democratic establishment has pulled Sanders to the correct direction, and I'm thankful for the establishment in doing that.
Beyond gun control, sadly, coordinated spending is really important in politics. It'd be great if it wasn't, but given the laws today that permit it, Democrats need coordinated spending to win races.
Conservatives owned down ballot races for 10+ years, prior to 2018 (and really, 2018 was a huge win for D's in the House, but not all down the ballot). "Project RedMap," the Koch Bros spending, and dozens of other wealthy, influential, calculating people. It's why Republicans won over 1,000 state legislative seats from 2008 to 2016. It's why Conservatives are literally drawing the congressional maps in a dozen more states than liberals are. Progressives have comparatively none of that. No coordination, no spending, no calculation. The progressive response to ad spending on facebook is "lol okay boomer who uses facebook?" Meanwhile, billionaire GOP strategist groups just clean up.
The 500M was spent so that he could spend now as a politician and not as a businessman media mogul. The Dem nominee needed to be able to say they were receiving support from the party, not a businessman.
???
He's been spending tons of money on candidates for ages, and he's been in office before, making him more than just a businessman.
Did Bloomberg's PAC donate to Republicans in 2018?
The Federal Election Committee reports that Bloomberg's 2018 PAC donated to 24 races, all favoring Democrats, and the Democratic candidates he donated to won 21 of them. 12 of those races were considered toss-ups in Republican counties:
How Michael Bloomberg Used His Money to Aid Democratic Victories in the House (Published 2018)
Democrats backed by Mr. Bloomberg’s organization won 21 of 24 House races, making him among the most influential donors of the election cycle.
In 2018, Bloomberg's PAC donation seems to be entirely to Democratic candidates.
Another NYT article covers his spending on Republican campaigns prior to 2018, which at least recently seems primarily focused against any candidates who oppose background check bills, including a Democratic senator in Pennsylvania who opposed background checks:
Michael Bloomberg Has Used His Fortune to Help Republicans, Too (Published 2019)
A supporter of progressive priorities like gun control and climate change, Mr. Bloomberg has also given millions to Republicans he felt shared his goals, irritating some Democrats.
He's basically taking an anti-NRA position here, self-funding an NRA-like effort but for gun control, to pull pro-Gun democrats and independents to support common sense gun reform, similar to how the NRA has pushed the GOP far outside of the mainstream on gun rights.
But, like I've said through this, I don't like Mike Bloomberg, didn't support him for the Democratic nominee, I don't have any interest in a non-Democrat being the Democratic nominee. But I'm happy for his spending on gun control, happy for his spending on Democratic races in 2018, happy for his spending in the Virginia special election, happy for his spending in 2020 against Trump and the GOP. Maybe it's all petty personal battles for Bloomberg, I don't care, I'm comfortable fulfilling his vanity if it means Donald Trump is defeated and will go along with whatever it takes this year. It doesn't change my perception of Bloomberg as a person, either.
Yep!
People here fighting the influence of billionaires? PACs? For what?
Because you're looking at that function right now. And you like it?
I think Trump would have had a field day with him of large spending just can't out of nowhere. This is cover. There's no way he reasonably believed he had a shot at winning. This is a reasonable explanation. Do you have a better one?
I think he honestly hates Trump and wants him out of office. Regardless, one can still be skeptical of him and happy that he's at least helping, unlike Hillary who is just taking shots at people from the sidelines.
And he needed to spend half a billion dollars to achieve that?
Please.
Bloomberg Is a Democrat With a History of Donating to Republicans
His team has trumpeted his role in flipping the House.
www.ny1.com
2018 donations continued to Republicans, and his donations to people like Toomey helped get us two conservative SCOTUS justices.
It's also a weird cut-off? He's donated to Republicans for decades and hosted Bush II's 2004 convention, a president who gave us Alito and Roberts! Trying to put his donations in a small vacuum of two years doesn't even work, never mind his entire life's worth of donations.
He spent the money because he thought Biden was a weak front-runner, which we know through political reporting is why he waited so long to run. He had the money to spend and he did.
Why Michael Bloomberg Spent Half a Billion Dollars to Be Humiliated
The former mayor of New York spent $500 million in 16 weeks, then dropped out less than 12 hours after polls closed on the first day he was on the ballot.
www.theatlantic.com
It's the simplest and truest explanation.
Bloomberg sees this as more votes for Joe Biden in the general, yes. That's 100% of the reason he's doing it.
But the reason the comparison to the Koch's doesn't fly is this is, regardless of motive, potentially important to enfranchise a ton of people. It's like giving to charity for the tax write off or to say you give to charity. Who gives a fuck why if it's helping?
I find it hard to believe that Bloomberg would want to support black people. If this is just a way to defeat Trump then that makes more sense to me. But you know this is meant to support Biden, not Bernie, and certainly not black people.
Can't say anything bad about this. Good on him. Some of the biggest issue with American democracy seems to be voter disengagement from the people who need to vote the most for their own self interest.
I mean, regardless of Bloomberg's intent, this is 17 million dollars to a black founded, black run political group whose mission is to elect black leaders and register black voters in swing states. That is literally supporting black people.
Imagine how much better off America would be if every White person pledged to help Black people once they reach 75?
This is true, but also counter reminder that he was using his money to prop up Republicans as recently as 2016:Reminder the Bloomberg's spending in 2018 was super influential in Democrats winning the house. He spent huge in 24 House races, and Democrats won 21 of them, almost all of which in swing districts and many that went for Trump in 2016.
How Michael Bloomberg Used His Money to Aid Democratic Victories in the House (Published 2018)
Democrats backed by Mr. Bloomberg’s organization won 21 of 24 House races, making him among the most influential donors of the election cycle.
THere's a strong likelihood that Democrats either don't win the House in 2018 without his spending, or they win on a very very slim majority.
There is a large group of people on this forum that would rather have Donald Trump as a president, and a Republican controlled House, Senate, and supreme court than *gasp* someone in the billionaire class spends his own money against Republicans. Is there a catch? Of course, there always is. But the alternative to Trump and Republican Congress and Supreme Court isn't Bernie Sanders. If every House candidate who ran in a Trump or purple district were Bernie Sanders, Republicans would have expanded their majority in the House and rubber stamped the entire Republican agenda. Instead, Donald Trump has not signed any meaningful conservative policy in 2 years, he's been impeached, and he's poised to lose the 2020 presidential race.
Michael Bloomberg Has Used His Fortune to Help Republicans, Too (Published 2019)
A supporter of progressive priorities like gun control and climate change, Mr. Bloomberg has also given millions to Republicans he felt shared his goals, irritating some Democrats.
I fully believe he's doing this entirely out of spite for Trump individually.
regardless of his moral failings, his money will help, just like it did in 2018, which helped seal a big majority in the house.
he really hates trump.
he really hates trump.
So you don't think he is doing it to have a seat at the table when policy decisions are being made that will effect his bottom line ? IMO that's exactly why he is doing it.
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this is the reason and everyone thinking it's spite or a desire to make things right is telling themselves a nice story so this isn't actually worrying