Bloomberg: Nancy Pelosi Is Worried 2020 Candidates Are on Wrong Track

[Steel]

His quotes to the rich say otherwise.

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So, let's be clear the level of shitty we're talking here. You're talking about his "nothing would fundamentally change" quote. What he said, in context, was that their standard of living wouldn't change, that they have so much money that could be used to help poor people and it wouldn't hurt them a bit. He was talking about taxing them. That was his fucking pitch to the rich. Which, while placating, is not "nothing would change" period.

It kinda reminds me of the Nixon quote "if the president does it, it's not illegal". The context for that was declassifying info, not Watergate, but people still think it was referring to Watergate. Doesn't make Nixon not shit, but it still makes that being a point against him wrong.

 

[Deleted member 36054]

I am totally okay with being called selfish for the things that I want. I am 100% comfortable with all the things I listed as Wants in my post before. They're pretty nice wants if I do say so myself.

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Great, so also get it through your head that you're not progressive.

 

[Sean]

Great, so also get it through your head that you're not progressive.

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Okay, if you say so man. I guess some guy on the internet is the gatekeeper of Progressives now. Who knew?

 

[Tap In]

We need to win the centrist voters that pushed it over the line for the win.

Then.... After we win, they can go all in on agenda. Isolating the swing voters with an uber progressive agenda is a loser in 2020

She's not wrong

We have to do whatever it takes to beat this orange piece of shit. And playing to our base is not the way to do that

 

[Kill3r7]

it's controversial among the extremely wealthy like pelosi

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Donors. Most of the politicians in Congress would not be there without their major donors. You don't believe me. Then look at the amount of time the average politicians spends on fundraising and the access major donors get. If money doesn't buy you power, at the very least it buys you access. So any wealth tax gets a lot of noise from people with access.

 

[bdbdbd]

Oh, she's worried they're on the wrong track? 15+ candidates still and we're not even into the primaries and she's worried what track they're on?

 

[Deleted member 36054]

Okay, if you say so man. I guess some guy on the internet is the gatekeeper of Progressives now. Who knew?

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Mmm, if you actually knew what Bernie and stood for than you'd realize how ridiculous you sound. Sigh, it must be nice to be so privileged with blinders on. But good luck with Trump.

 

[Android Sophia]

Enough with the hostilities. We understand this is a sensitive topic, but that doesn't excuse your behavior towards each other. If this continues we will begin actioning people.

 

[danm999]

Oh, she's worried they're on the wrong track? 15+ candidates still and we're not even into the primaries and she's worried what track they're on?

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She's talking about Warren and Sanders.

 

[Craymond]

No such thing as too left. Push progressive and the voters will come.

 

[Jade1962]

I already addressed this but fuck it.

The fact that you're one who doesn't have to consider their reproductive rights,

You're one who's doesn't have to worry that who they love can effect their right to work

You're one who doesn't have to tell their kid to put their hands on 10 and 2 when they get pulled over.

Shows that's you're privileged, and that you're the exact kind of Democrat that some African-Americans are aware of.

Like we vote 97% Dem for no reason, fuck outta here.

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My family votes Democrat because of history and we know Republicans hate us. But we have no expectation that our lives will be much different wether the president is Republicans or Democrats. Either way we are at the bottom. So no I don't hate on people I know who don't vote because they feel it doesn't matter anyway.

More people voted for Hilary than Trump so shaming people for not voting as being responsible for kids in cages and the sort is kind of hollow.

Save the ire for those who actually voted for him and the electoral college.

 

[tommy7154]

No such thing as too left. Push progressive and the voters will come.

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Medical treatment for everyone....you mean literally everyone in the country??? Eww.
Fixing our planet so we can continue to survive is great and we need it! ...Wait, within 10 years though? Really??? Way too left for me!
"FREE" education?? God damn socialists!

And so on and so forth. Being an actually good human being is seen as "too left" and "socialist" to these clowns at the top. Let what is happening here really sink in. They have literally come up with negative and evil sounding words to demonize helping other people, and they spout their bullshit propaganda to the people of the country every chance they get to the point that many actually believe what they're being told. We can't have better things guys! Just trust me from here on my throne!

 

[Jeb]

What happened to all those users that told us Pelosi was so progressive?

 

[Deleted member 35987]

let me get this straight...

there are people here who think Pelosi is literally the devil who hasn't done anything to further progressive policies and that if Biden is the nominee they won't vote for him?

We're doomed.

 

[Lentic]

let me get this straight...

there are people here who think Pelosi is literally the devil who hasn't done anything to further progressive policies and that if Biden is the nominee they won't vote for him?

We're doomed.

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There are people who will refuse to vote for Warren or Sanders because "socialism" and because people like Pelosi keep feeding into that narrative.

It's hypocritical because it's what they accuse Sanders supporters of doing. Party unity only goes one way apparently. Big shock.

 

[maxxpower]

let me get this straight...

there are people here who think Pelosi is literally the devil who hasn't done anything to further progressive policies and that if Biden is the nominee they won't vote for him?

We're doomed.

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It's the other way around actually. I don't fucking want Biden as the nominee, but if it comes down to it I will definitely vote for him to get Trump out. There's many centrists though that will absolutely not vote for leftists like Warren or Bernie. There's still people who won't vote for Biden but there's more people in the other camp.

 

[Deleted member 7130]

She's overdue for retirement

 

[Nocturnal]

I still dont understand why, people are entertaining hypothetical and attack me and others about a potential Biden vote nearly an year before the general election. Come back to us when if he wins the primary, don't start arguments about something I feel strongly won't happen.

In Iowa, Biden confronts a growing threat: Pete Buttigieg

According to the New York Times/Siena College poll that placed Biden in fourth place in Iowa, the former vice president was showing little appeal among younger voters — only 2 percent of those under 45 years old said they planned to caucus for him.

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In the last month alone, Buttigieg has doubled his staff presence while opening 20 offices across Iowa.

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"I cannot overstate how many Buttigieg ads I see," said Sinovic, pointing to data showing Buttigieg's national digital spending numbers surpassing Biden almost five-to-one. "It's just a massive outspending right now."

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https://www.politico.com/news/2019/...fronts-a-growing-threat-pete-buttigieg-064382

Now imagine Biden comes 4th in Iowa, 3rd in New Hampshire and doesn't win in Nevada.. he is done.
He won't be able to say he is the electable one and that's the thing that's been propping him to first place all these months. Just look at the polling in the early primary/caucus states and keep in mind Iowa & Nevada are all about enthusiasm, ground game, volunteers since they are both caucus states. Labor support is especially key for Nevada and helped Clinton get a close win in 2016 for example. Notice how Biden has only lead 1/6 polls in NH or Iowa, look at his average across these two states falling, Nevada we dont have much data - since the last polls were in September but even there his support is soft.

Iowa
NY Times/Siena: Warren(22), Sanders(19), Buttigieg(18), Biden(17)
Iowa State University: Warren(28), Buttigieg(20), Sanders(18), Biden(12)
USA Today/Suffolk: Biden(18), Warren(17), Buttigieg(13), Sanders(9)

New Hampshire:
CNN/UNH: Sanders(21), Warren(18), Biden(15), Buttigieg(10)
Boston Herald/FPU: Warren(25), Biden(24), Sanders(22), Buttigieg(9)
CBS News/YouGov: Warren(32), Biden(24), Sanders(17), Buttigieg(7)

Nevada(last poll from September):
CNN: Biden(22), Sanders(22), Warren(18), Harris(5)
USA Today/Suffolk: Biden(23), Warren(19), Sanders(14), Harris(4)
CBS News/YouGov: Sanders(29), Biden(27), Warren(18), Harris(6)


It's too early to be telling everyone to fall in line with Biden, who will be footnote in this primary

 

[KDR_11k]

Centrism and continuing the status quo is what got us into this mess in the first place. Centrists don't inspire passion from anybody, they're empty calories. Sure, try running one if you think the hate against Trump alone is going to be enough of a selling point but if you want to overcome voter apathy you need to offer them a choice that feels meaningful. Imagine Trump gets impeached and you're running fucking Joe Biden against e.g. Pence. Voter turnout is going to hit rock bottom.

Running Biden is hoping that there's more drive against voting Trump than against voting Biden. Just voting against doesn't really drive polls. Sure, the against-Trump vote may be powerful enough to get literally anybody into office. Not a bet I'd be comfortable with though.

I'm sure Serious Republicans thought that Trump would do worse than a centrist, too.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Just an example of trying to foreclose possibility due to a combination, of self interest, lack of political imagination, and conservatism

 

[moonie]

I just want to see progress made, tax reforms and limits on campaign contributions and zero corporate fuckery with controlling the government. Unfortunately leftists politicians are actually centrists, centrists are really republicans, and the GOP are just flat out compromised fascists. So it makes voting in today's age quite complex.

 

[Nivash]

Centrism and continuing the status quo is what got us into this mess in the first place. Centrists don't inspire passion from anybody, they're empty calories. Sure, try running one if you think the hate against Trump alone is going to be enough of a selling point but if you want to overcome voter apathy you need to offer them a choice that feels meaningful. Imagine Trump gets impeached and you're running fucking Joe Biden against e.g. Pence. Voter turnout is going to hit rock bottom.

Running Biden is hoping that there's more drive against voting Trump than against voting Biden. Just voting against doesn't really drive polls. Sure, the against-Trump vote may be powerful enough to get literally anybody into office. Not a bet I'd be comfortable with though.

I'm sure Serious Republicans thought that Trump would do worse than a centrist, too.

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A lot of people don't want revolutionary passion, though. A lot of them want stability and are turned off by candidates promising a radical restructuring of society in the next four years. It's not remotely as simple as more passion = more turnout.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Centrism and continuing the status quo is what got us into this mess in the first place.

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I thought it was racism, sexism, undemocratic election systems like the electoral college/senate, gerry mandering, voter suppression, Russian hackers, Extreme right wing media, Third party spoiler candidates, and the FBI dropping a tactical nuke on the democratic candidate a week before the election.

But yeah, we'll go "centrism".

 

[BabyMurloc]

I'm sure corporations are playing a big part in pressuring democrats to reject all leftism. And since those corporations are what has made all these politicians rich...they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.

So Pelosi has 30-100 million reasons to say what she does.

 

[M.Bluth]

Pelosi is not arguing her policy preferences here. She's concerned with maintaining and maximizing her majority and gaining a Senate majority in 2021.

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That's bullshit and you know it, she's absolutely arguing for her policy preference. I mean, the wealth tax thing totally reveals her. In what universe does a wealth tax work for the midwest?
And it's really what she's been doing for the past year with her statements on impeachment and her shitting on the squad etc. It's true she's concerned with maintaining and maximizing her majority, but she's utterly misguided in how to do it.

I know far too many people who are willing to vote for Biden but will be sitting out the election if it's either Warren or Sanders.

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Well, they deserve Trump, then.

I thought it was racism, sexism, undemocratic election systems like the electoral college/senate, gerry mandering, voter suppression, Russian hackers, Extreme right wing media, Third party spoiler candidates, and the FBI dropping a tactical nuke on the democratic candidate a week before the election.

But yeah, we'll go "centrism".

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Centrism and the status quo is what enabled all that to fester and continue to fuck over the country and the world...

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Centrism and the status quo is what enabled all that to fester and continue to fuck over the country and the world...

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Yeah, literally just ignore every single factual point i just made and copy/paste the same 10 words i was responding to in the first place, i guess thats what we should come to expect from people on your side of the issue?

 

[boris_feinbrand]

It's cute when the super rich pretend to care about anyone but themselves.

 

[Nocturnal]

I thought it was racism, sexism, undemocratic election systems like the electoral college/senate, gerry mandering, voter suppression, Russian hackers, Extreme right wing media, Third party spoiler candidates, half of eligible voters not voting, and the FBI dropping a tactical nuke on the democratic candidate a week before the election.

But yeah, we'll go "centrism".

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You forgot:

Clinton not campaigning in certain states, Clinton campaign propping up Trump & Carson with the pied piper strategy and mass media outlets eating it up. Mass media realizing Trump is good for ratings, giving him and estimated $5 billion in unpaid advertising, showing an empty podium for hours at a time, normalizing Trump and normalizing support for Trump. Mass media not covering the Dem Primary until the actual primary started because they assume Clinton will win. Super delegates supporting Clinton in record numbers an year before a single vote is cast. Biden, Warren and others deciding not to run against the Clinton campaign. DWS doing her darn best to be the biggest disaster in terms of DNC leadership in a decade where DNC leadership hit rock bottom. The likes of David Brooke and other Clinton surrogates attacking Sanders and his supporters through out the primary(Bernie Bros was it? Young girls only going to Bernie rally's or supporting him to meet boys etc). Peaking a weak VP candidate.

I can go on, if you like?

 

[BanGy]

You forgot:

Clinton not campaigning in certain states, Clinton campaign propping up Trump & Carson with the pied piper strategy and mass media outlets eating it up. Mass media realizing Trump is good for ratings, giving him and estimated $5 billion in unpaid advertising, showing an empty podium for hours at a time, normalizing Trump and normalizing support for Trump. Mass media not covering the Dem Primary until the actual primary started because they assume Clinton will win. Super delegates supporting Clinton in record numbers an year before a single vote is cast. Biden, Warren and others deciding not to run against the Clinton campaign. DWS doing her darn best to be the biggest disaster in terms of DNC leadership in a decade where DNC leadership hit rock bottom. The likes of David Brooke and other Clinton surrogates attacking Sanders and his supporters through out the primary(Bernie Bros was it? Young girls only going to Bernie rally's or supporting him to meet boys etc). Peaking a weak VP candidate.

I can go on, if you like?

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Keep going. I want to see how long it takes you to move on from 2016 primary grievance and onto the million other things that contributed as well.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

I can go on, if you like?

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No thanks, at this rate you'll be talking about your favorite features of Tulsi Gabbard.

 

[Nocturnal]

Keep going. I want to see how long it takes you to move on from 2016 primary grievance and onto the million other things that contributed as well.

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No thanks, at this rate you'll be talking about your favorite features of Tulsi Gabbard.

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Yep, still no reflection on the things Clinton's campaign controlled and could have changed - just blaming outside factors that she had no control over.

 

[Entryhazard]

Ok boomer

 

[Messofanego]

Pretty sure working class Republicans also care about medicare for all, and wouldn't mind if they got free education. Unless if they're the "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" type who fight against their own best interests, then they're not worth engaging.

 

[Umbrella Carp]

nancy pelosi is worth 120 million dollars

i feel this fact should be appended to basically everything she says

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One and done. Just another one who was born with a spoon in the mouth panicking about what it is looking like she is supporting.

 

[FakePlasticTree]

Bernie Sanders is the only one among these candidates who will mostly likely bring true change to American policy, partially because he is not all that concerned about having to find some middle ground to appease the Republicans, and a lot of what he is talking about in regards to health insurance feels close to our system in Northern Europe. It is also because of this that he is the least likely to get elected because too many Democrats, especially those with Republican ties, are more concerned about winning votes than bringing true change. It is a sad thing to observe as an outsider.

 

[M.Bluth]

Yeah, literally just ignore every single factual point i just made and copy/paste the same 10 words i was responding to in the first place, i guess thats what we should come to expect from people on your side of the issue?

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Well it's true, but you're welcome to ignore it and blame everyone and everything else and then wonder why your milquetoast candidate lost to Trump, again.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Yep, still no reflection on the things Clinton's campaign controlled and could have changed - just blaming outside factors that she had no control over.

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Well it's true, but you're welcome to ignore it and blame everyone and everything else and then wonder why your milquetoast candidate lost to Trump, again.

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Yes, minor outside factors like losing the election despite getting millions of more votes, the real scandal is how the establishment is smearing liberal icon Tulsi Gabbard.

 

[Chaos Legion]

Yeah if anything I'm pretty sure a wealth tax is overwhelmingly popular last time I checked

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A wealth tax gets Era horny but is fundamentally stupid. It has failed numerous times in numerous countries and truthfully is a maybe in terms if it gets to the supreme court.
There needs to be a comprehensive tax reform in order to allow this nation to pay for all of these platforms that candidates are speaking of. (In fairness, Warren started to address some of the tax loopholes that need to be ended in her M4All plan)

But whatever. Nancy is a meanie because she doesn't lie to us or ignore political realities like zaddy. Damn pragmatism.

 

[M.Bluth]

Yes, minor outside factors like losing the election despite getting millions of more votes, the real scandal is how the establishment is smearing liberal icon Tulsi Gabbard.

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lol, that's the game of the US election, though. You know, the same game y'all keep reminding delusional Bernie or Busters of when defending the choice of Clinton... And it's not like your centrist faves will be putting the work to changing the electoral college anyway. Or gerrymandering, and certainly not the racism, not when they keep trying to push Biden xD.

And I don't know how clever you think you're being by bringing up fucking Gabbard to me, but you should miss me with that garbage...

 

[Dude Abides]

Just endorse Biden and spare us the concern trolling.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

Reading some comments here, especially the "my candidate or bust!" ones, I got an idea: why not decide who's best suited to become president in 2020 by a democratic election, so that the one's with the loosing candidate can blame "the system" afterwards?!

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Reading some comments here, especially the "my candidate or bust!" ones, I got an idea: why not decide who's best suited to become president in 2020 by a democratic election, so that the one's with the loosing candidate can blame "the system" afterwards?!

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bUt tHe dNc rIgGeD tHe pRimArY iN fAvOr oF tHe cAnDiDaTe tHaT gOt tHe mOsT vOtEs

 

[Bronx-Man]

You can say Nancy Pelosi is a pragmatist. You can say Nancy Pelosi is a progressive.

But you absolutely cannot get away with saying both.

 

[Kirblar]

You can say Nancy Pelosi is a pragmatist. You can say Nancy Pelosi is a progressive.

But you absolutely cannot get away with saying both.

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Ah yes, the only people allowed to be "progressive" are puritarians uninterested in actually gaining political power to implement agendas. Of course, how could we be so mistaken.

 

[peyrin]

it is so funny that this website caped for pelosi nonstop when she was making epic #resistance dunks on trump even though she has been spouting this centrist nonsense since 2016 at least

 

[Zombegoast]

It doesnt poll well nationally whatsoever. Medicare Buyin/Public option, by contrasy is around 70% in polling.

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With both Biden and Pete taking donations from from Insurance and big Pharma and attacking Sander's M4A. With Biden leading(but slipping) no wonder the public option is more popular.

That's Plutocracy in action

Medicare for all who wants it. fuck off Pete

My only option at work as a part timer is a limited visit per year.

 

[kambaybolongo]

it is so funny that this website caped for pelosi nonstop when she was making epic #resistance dunks on trump even though she has been spouting this centrist nonsense since 2016 at least

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Try her entire career haha

Someone posted her net worth earlier. Connecting the dots isn't hard here.The status quo has been very good to her and she's like to keep it that way.

 

[M.Bluth]

Ah yes, the only people allowed to be "progressive" are puritarians uninterested in actually gaining political power to implement agendas. Of course, how could we be so mistaken.

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This is scathing, it's so accurate too... If it wasn't for the fact that Pelosi's point here is support for Joe "Things won't change" Biden.

 

[Deleted member 31923]

You don't have to like her to believe she may be right, at least on an issue like universal healthcare. Americans flipped the hell out with just Obamacare and gave Democrats one of their worst elections after it was enacted. And the Democratic base is not that progressive whether you want to admit it or not. Much less progressive Hillary beat Sanders in 2016, and centrist Biden was the clear front runner for months in this cycle. Warren has certainly risen lately, but the most progressive candidate, Sanders again, is treading water, and Mayor Pete is still staying alive especially in places like Iowa since his centrist swing. It's at best a mixed bag for progressives among the Democratic base, which means that it will be even worse for them among independents and voters in swing states.

 

[y2dvd]

Is she suggesting more of the same that lost to Trump in the first place is the way to go?