are you 15? what is this clap back crap.
these are adults with careers and lives, stop trying to clap back, and just be decent.
focus on those who actually deserves the ire of the internet.
playing the petty game doesn't do anyone any good.
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[Bloomberg: Jason Schreier] - Cyberpunk Game Maker Faces Hostile Staff After Failed Launch
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are you 15? what is this clap back crap.
these are adults with careers and lives, stop trying to clap back, and just be decent.
focus on those who actually deserves the ire of the internet.
playing the petty game doesn't do anyone any good.
I REALLY don't care about Jason. I care about people saying stupid and hurtful shit. I understand the argument that Jason pointing out this shit is going to give the girl grief. Reminder she got grief for reporting on the the seizure stuff and assholes responded by sending her more seizure inducing patterns. IMO there's a huge difference between criticizing someone's professionalism, and the crazy shit the CDPR stands tried to do to her.
If there is a mia culpa that I missed, fair enough, Jason should let shit die(and he seemingly deleted his tweet, probably because of the way sexist gamers will use it as an excuse to brigade). But I have an extremely low opinion of this person's work if she isn't going to own up to the stupid shit she said. And the gross way all these dumbass influencers with CDPR chairs started trying to get friendly with her. It's fucking gross and stupid.
If there is a mia culpa that I missed, fair enough, Jason should let shit die(and he seemingly deleted his tweet, probably because of the way sexist gamers will use it as an excuse to brigade). But I have an extremely low opinion of this person's work if she isn't going to own up to the stupid shit she said. And the gross way all these dumbass influencers with CDPR chairs started trying to get friendly with her. It's fucking gross and stupid.
ooh gonna check this out, thanks!A very basic and somewhat misleading view of what happened, but it was certainly part of it.
A really fascinating read. Xerox was truly one of the most innovative companies of all time.
She attacked him because he wrote a negative piece against cdpr and she disagreed. she is being defended because of that. She doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt here. She doesn't deserve to be attacked by fans but she doesn't deserve to be defended either.
Yes exactly
FFS.
I really do like Jason's work when it comes to stuff like this (hell, I've got a copy of Blood Sweat and Pixels that I enjoyed the hell out of), but man. He needs to give it a rest at times :-/
You think a news organization that does misleading reporting, even misleadingly interating on Jason's reporting of today, doesn't "deserve ire"?
Might need to read this.A very basic and somewhat misleading view of what happened, but it was certainly part of it.
A really fascinating read. Xerox was truly one of the most innovative companies of all time.
It's a trend with him, unfortunately. Have the utmost respect for the work he does and it is sorely needed, but the hubris with which he conducts himself online sometimes is tiresome. Reeks of self-importance and ego. I get it, the criticism that he gets for some of his honest reporting isn't cool in the slightest. Rise above it though. Given the platform he has, that kind of behaviour, especially towards a female journalist, is massively irresponsible.
While they've had beef in the past, Jason is the aggressor in this instance and the way he phrased things wasn't cool. The dude didn't delete the Tweet for no reason.
I mean yea, that ties into the whole downplaying crunch part of my post. Make no mistake she has deliberately done it as a pattern, and it's gross.
But you need to realize he has a much bigger platform than she does, and the way twitter (and the internet as a whole) works, is shit sucks waaaaay more for women, when there's a hate mob at them.
That's literally the only reason I think he shouldn't have done that (and that's probably the main reason he deleted the tweet).
I agree with you. it's not fair how she's being attacked like that.
That's fair, I don't disagree with you at all.
The typical Internet hate GAMER mob is comprised of the type of people who absolutely love CDPR's politics, so I don't think downplaying crunch would strike a nerve there.
This is really the tweet? Is my outrage-o-meter broken?
Seems incredibly benign.
Eh, Jason should know better. Throwing people under the bus to prove a point isn't worth it. Just enjoy your schadenfreude in private.
It's not just alt right gamers that end up targeting women on the internet, you'd be surprised what "progressives" will do
I'd love to see the devs leaving and forming a new studio. There are clearly a lot of very talented people over there, but the management is terrible and the company culture is rotten.
It sucks however that they're in Poland. Not the biggest talent pool for a new studio and not the easiest place to recruit internationally considering the pay is much worse than it is in Western Europe.
It sucks however that they're in Poland. Not the biggest talent pool for a new studio and not the easiest place to recruit internationally considering the pay is much worse than it is in Western Europe.
I wish zombae would just show people how valuable she is. She's incredible. But she gets more attention when she plays the victim card. She's been doing it for most of this year.
Don't get me wrong, she absolutely is a victim. She is absolutely entitled to say what she wants. She is absolutely entitled to criticize people. She has been wronged, absolutely. I just know that she is hamstringing herself with that.
Honestly this is getting pretty absurd. I vaguely remember the entire argument they made, but this(in bold) did NOT happen. She did not attack him over reporting of CDPR crunch. The clip of how this started is in this tread even.
That must make both of us, because I don't see what all the rage is about over this tweet.
The last thing this industry needs is petty shit like that getting in the way of the actual story. Glad the tweet is gone.
I'll say this. At this point, he needs to reach out to her before he tweets. He knows he has a huge following and he owes her and the publication that.
I never know what to make of Schreier. He's petty, vindictive, self-important.....and a vital journalist.
Wish there were more of his reporting dedication who had smaller messianic complexes.
Wish there were more of his reporting dedication who had smaller messianic complexes.
It's accurate, benign, and exclusively focuses on the actual subject matter. And it's an incredibly timely topic, pertinent to new reporting of his released today. I have to raise an eyebrow at those reacting to it as though it were directed harassment or vapid gloating.
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I honestly don't get why people are angry with Jason because of this tweet. I would love to know that a media outlet that was wrong defending or downplaying crunch keeps doing this.
But honestly, it was deleted, so we will keep arguing over and over for something that isn't there anymore
I put Zombae's tweet in because I really liked her wording, but she's not the one being attacked right now? Also this post with the "victim card"? So gross
Why? How is he supposed to talk about it that you would find it acceptable?
was about to say, seems fine. I guess its the idea that you can't call out other outlets maybe if you're in the same industry, but I don't know about that
People who say this are basically Twitter trolls. The ones who follow this kind of news knows his reputation. The fact that this whole situation is happening is enough credibility for him.
The point for Jason I think is that the GI article is basically rewriting his article from today. That's fine as long as proper credit is given, most outlets do it. The problem is that the GI author paraphrased and softened critical quotes with their own language (e.g. 'additional hours' when the employee said 'crunch'). Considering the previous history (GI referencing crunch headlines as 'inflammatory' and citing 'Polish labor laws' (a thoroughly debunked argument)), I can see why he would be upset. However, it's unprofessional and he can't be 100% sure the author wasn't just a little negligent with their writing.
"He's being mean about it" apparently.
Look, I'm sure Liana Rupert is a nice person, but in an industry that is actively burning out talent at a record pace, maybe there should be a more vocal discussion about workplace culture, and when you had talk about crunch having a negative affect on the CP team MONTHS ago downplayed and saying quote "people were voluntarily doing overtime because it served their best interest" is not helping.
It's amazing that one of the few people who has a proven history of actually trying to push for positive change in an industry fucking FILLED with fluff-piece writers is getting shit on because "this ain't how we do, man".
The narrative seems to be "he has a big following and it's his fault that Twitter trolls are going to decide to pick on the one woman involved in the reporting". People seem to feel that if a reporter does something unethical with his own reporting, Jason is supposed to keep his mouth shut about it if that reporter happens to be a woman?
There's no comparison. The moment Avengers was shown off people started to lose interest. Cyberpunk was the most anticipated video game of this generation from 2013 to it's release. "CP made back it's budget" isn't a good argument when people are banging down their door asking for their money back.
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This is the full context from the Game Informer article.
As far as I can see, crunch isn't touched upon in the article. The section quoted is hypocritical because of the crunch, but it is omitted for no reason, and now it just doesn't make any sense. We're talking going out of your way to not touch on crunch, something that Game Informer previously has denied was a thing. It's disgusting.
It's good that the health issues are adressed and many other issues but covering up for crunch is just not ok.
As far as I can see, crunch isn't touched upon in the article. The section quoted is hypocritical because of the crunch, but it is omitted for no reason, and now it just doesn't make any sense. We're talking going out of your way to not touch on crunch, something that Game Informer previously has denied was a thing. It's disgusting.
It's good that the health issues are adressed and many other issues but covering up for crunch is just not ok.
There is a disproportionate amount of harassment women in games journalism experience and this absolutely was not going to help the situation.
You can be critical of some of the reporting, but it was unprofessional, and she would experience the blowback far harder than Jason ever would. It's irresponsible to use your platform like that, and he was right to delete the post.
It's not just an "I told you so". He was pointing out that GI was manipulating his own reporting from today.
So what's the solution? She should be left to do any shit reporting she wants to and no one should call her out on it for fear of the Twitter mob?
This isn't the full context, they don't downplay it??? This all just seems trying to look for something that isn't there
I think it was questionable to talk about how your friends at CDPR can't celebrate the game going gold because someone is reporting on crunch, especially when it was apparent later than there was little forewarning or celebration around it having gone gold for the devs. At the same time, I think there's little need to stoke the wrath of Twitter toward a woman when it was already clear the reporting and diminishing of the exploitative conditions was poor and off-base. Definitely a case where you can take the credibility bump without feeling a need to rub salt in the wound and risk causing further harm for others.
No they just accuse Jason of sending his followers after them and having an 'agenda'
If I was Jason, and I had worked my ass off for years with articles, a book & with facts about bad working conditions at several game studios, with the idealistic attempt to change that situation for the better, and having my colleagues undermine me like that at multiple occasions, I would probably lose my shit too.
The solution was she reached out to Jason to discuss it and he never responded to her, per her account.