It wouldn't surprise me if people in these types of position don't even play the game.
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[Bloomberg: Jason Schreier] - Cyberpunk Game Maker Faces Hostile Staff After Failed Launch
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Avengers was a bad game. Cyberpunk is barely a functioning piece of software
This. It always felt like people were going to be let down from the unrealistic expectations. But CDPR managed to make the situation much, much worse.
Investors got impatient probably.
or they were really high in the sky and thought that they have a hit on their hands which has to be released now, idk.
the only logical step would have been:cancelling base versions last year, putting effort on PC and next gen and releasing end of 2021 or even beginning of 2022 .
this game needs more than just bugfixing, AI, driving, combat, open world content, police system and much more are just bad. even april 2021 would have been too short considering the state of the game.
I mean, the game is playable enough on One X and PS4 Pro. I feel like the whole issue is getting diluted because people are obfuscating the actual broken games (base PS4/Xbox) with versions that are simply unpolished and not very good (Pro/PS5/One X/XSX). If the game ran as well as it does on PS4 and Xbone as it does on PS4 Pro/One X, just at a lower resolution, there wouldn't really be much of an issue beyond "this game could definitely use a few patches"
Their trying to throw Jason under the bus to flatter CDPR was disgusting.
At a place like Bloomberg, the writers don't provide the headlines. This framing of a company is typical in actual real news sources.
I mean he is a social media influencer...most of that is weather vayning
It's not only bugs, many things they promised are missing. It's not an RPG, the AI isn't impressive, the city isn't "the most alive city ever", choices are ridiculous...
Avengers promised a superhero action game and delivered it.
These questions are absolutely brutal, totally deserved, and heartbreaking all the same.
I honestly hope anyone, whether they were influencers or just corporate cheerleaders, who insisted that either there was "no crunch," or that it's just "the way things are done," or that the devs actually "love it" because they're "proud of their work" do some serious introspection about what this hobby is like for the people inside. It takes some serious self-delusion to look at this reality and swallow any of those at face-value. It's completely vile that a few of those voices are/were higher-ups in the actual industry (George Broussard comes to mind). The Game Informer staff who played a disinformation game to the benefit of Cyberpunk marketing deserve the ire of their peers for poisoning their editorial credibility.
No one's going to always be right, but Schreier continues to shine an important sidelight (and bring the receipts) when it comes to this topic. If anyone has been attacking him for it (which I've seen plenty), they should really think about why that is, and who/what they're actually vouching for.
I honestly hope anyone, whether they were influencers or just corporate cheerleaders, who insisted that either there was "no crunch," or that it's just "the way things are done," or that the devs actually "love it" because they're "proud of their work" do some serious introspection about what this hobby is like for the people inside. It takes some serious self-delusion to look at this reality and swallow any of those at face-value. It's completely vile that a few of those voices are/were higher-ups in the actual industry (George Broussard comes to mind). The Game Informer staff who played a disinformation game to the benefit of Cyberpunk marketing deserve the ire of their peers for poisoning their editorial credibility.
No one's going to always be right, but Schreier continues to shine an important sidelight (and bring the receipts) when it comes to this topic. If anyone has been attacking him for it (which I've seen plenty), they should really think about why that is, and who/what they're actually vouching for.
The entire value of the company just dropped by 40 percent man.
Although I enjoyed TW3 a good bit, I always treated my excitement with CP2077 with extreme caution.
Everything about the delays, the edge lord marketing, and lack of console information told me to stay away from this game and play it way after release.
Good on the developers taking a stand against management. The issues do seem to stem from the top.
Everything about the delays, the edge lord marketing, and lack of console information told me to stay away from this game and play it way after release.
Good on the developers taking a stand against management. The issues do seem to stem from the top.
I doubt it will have much of an impact.
They should have reigned in the scope of the game. Even outside of the performance issues, the game just feels barebones and screams cut content. I was looking into the vehicles earlier today and all the articles were mentioning that tuning and customization was going to be in the game, but got dropped.
They really needed like 6 months just to fix the performance of the game, but probably another year or more to get the content to a decent level.
Sad too, because with another year or two of development it could have been so much better of a title.
To be honest, if the game wasn't straight up broken on consoles I think the pre-launch backlash largely would have ended up like the Pokemon or The Last of Us 2 backlash unfortunately. But on the brightside maybe if they get rid of the people running the show in regards to development we could see some progress on the representation front as the company tries to repair their image.
Last gen versions should have been cancelled altogether. It's apparent they never really took last gen hardware into consideration when they developed the game. It's a classic case of "you can't have your cake and eat it too": You can't profit from the install base of PS4 and Xbox One when you don't develop your games around those platforms.
They should have delayed the game (including PC) until holiday 2021 to further iron out the game and get the next gen versions ready. The console user base would have only been ~30 mil or so, but that'd have still been enough for impressive day 1 sales and if Cyberpunk followed Witcher 3's trajection it would have enjoyed impressive and steady sales for the entire next generation.
All of this has been fascinating to watch and what it tells me is that Microsoft made the right decision to take the heat for delaying Halo Infinite out a year after the reveal, rather than simply dropping onto the market just to launch with Series X. Sometimes, the hit to your reputation is worth more than the financial costs of a delay.
They also never hide a platform version and even had a beta before release.
CDPR hide the console version to a point than ever reviews were embargoed after release.
They set unrealistic deadlines, which sucks. But I wonder what took them 8 years to develop a game?
Again, it seems like the developers weren't managed efficiently at all. Setting unrealistic deadlines seems like the tip of the iceberg.
Again, it seems like the developers weren't managed efficiently at all. Setting unrealistic deadlines seems like the tip of the iceberg.
This is going to be seen as one of the legendary gaming fuck ups. When was the last time we had a blunder of this magnitude in gaming? It's truly staggering how far they've fallen. Many were pitching these guys as the biggest company in gaming, the new industry powerhouse. They'll be lucky to even be around in 10 years at this rate.
The big thing to think about is why did they release in this state? because years of shitty releases taught them that more often than not you get away with it. Ubisoft, Bethesda, EA and others release games on a questionable base regularly.
the state of games day one was never worse than these days, too many companies go like "game is gold!" like a month or even 14 days before release and then there comes the big patching. just awful.
Probably pre planning/pre production from 2012-2017 before they actually built the game.
the state of games day one was never worse than these days, too many companies go like "game is gold!" like a month or even 14 days before release and then there comes the big patching. just awful.
Probably pre planning/pre production from 2012-2017 before they actually built the game.
Not saying it's not related to the current situation, it obviously is. But they were considerably overvalued. A company that has made only 4 games in total throughout its 24 year history (I'm aware they weren't developers originally) and has a (relatively speaking) small online store, having more valuation than Ubisoft was always kind of ridiculous and it was never going to maintain that, even with a successful launch. Just that it'd have taken some time for it to drop.
I get their frustration. When you crunch, and the product turns out great, you can use that greatness to say it was all worth it. When you crunch and it turns out like it did though.....it's killer to your morale.
Surely 'Cyberpunk Game Developer' is less... uncomfortable (to read), for lack of a better word. I dunno, 'Maker' just sounds kind of amateur imo. Anyway, its not that big a deal I just thought it was strange thats all haha
I mean the game is crashing more frequently than once an hour for some even on PS5 lol. The last-gen consoles are bug-ridden messes with low framerates to boot. Looking to suggest the game was solid for launch on last-gen machines is laughable at this point.
Assassin's Creed Unity launched with technical issues and it hurt the sales of Assassin's Creed Syndicate. Just Cause 4 was a conmercial flop after Just Cause 3 launched with technical issues.
The money CD Projekt made is money they'll have lost at some point in the future. They, unlike EA, Ubisoft and Square Enix, have their all their eggs in one or two baskets.
It's a lot of marketing momentum and goodwill to lose with a franchise that was already punching above its weight in terms of ambition vs. recognition.
8 years since it was announced, not 8 years in dev. It was in pre production for a long time, but thats because CDPR was busy with TW3 and its expansions, until they were done did they start fully with Cyberpunk.
CDPR has a little over 1k employees while Rockstar are nearing 4k.
I think a good amount of enthusiasts here could've seen this backlash coming when we noticed that last gen consoles were never shown. But to the degree that PSN straight up delisted it? Lol. CDPR seems like a clown show all around. Their management, their pr team and whoever thought it was a good idea to put in the suspect shit about trans people via their in-game ads (developers?)
Thank god Series X has been at least playable, but this is the biggest clusterfuck in awhile. A developer of this caliber, combined with the hype machine driving this game for the past 7 years.
Thank god Series X has been at least playable, but this is the biggest clusterfuck in awhile. A developer of this caliber, combined with the hype machine driving this game for the past 7 years.
Matt McMuscles right now:
I literally hear "Whu Happun" in my head whenever a game of notable size/hype falls on its face to a degree.
The amount of trimming and optimization that was done to get the Witcher 3 to run on the switch must have been a massive undertaking. The amount of work that might need to be done for PS4/Xbox One (not the mid gen refreshes) must have been far, far higher to the point of having me wonder if it even was worth pursuing.
Microsoft expands the refund policy for Cyberpunk
If anything, the whole issue gets diluted because they waited till next gen release to have the game running somewhat ok. remember, this was planned as last gen game and the shitstorm would be even wilder when there were no next gen consoles this year. they delayed the game to fall into the next gen launch window, this is for sure.
despite that, they didn´t even have a native next gen version ready for the shiny new consoles. and the systems and bugs are still bad, regardless how it runs, even on high end PCs it is not great under the hood.
Just a reminder is that CDPR was doing trailers for this game back in 2013 despite it not being worked on until 2016
They announced a game that they had barely started working on and then tried to make a GTA killer in a time period of 3-4 years. No wonder the AI comes off like something from the PS2 era.
There's a reason why Square Enix didnt even try to compete with GTA with FF VII Remake, and thats because people are going to judge you based on GTA V.
I was thinking a lot about this the last few days.
I think Avengers dominated the headlines because of its "brand power". When you have a big stinky turd like that, its easy to take notice.
Now that Cyberpunk blew in, I think everyone just kind of forgot Avengers, especially since the news of this game blew the Kate launch completely out of the headlines.
Which is probably both good and bad for Avengers and Squeenix.
