sounds like supply will be similar to PS4...BUT demand will dictate a lot of this. hopefully its good enough
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Sure, but we have this report from July:
PS5 production has reportedly doubled, but 2020 supply issues are still possible | VGC
Sony ‘orders 10 million units’ in 2020, up from 5-6…
www.videogameschronicle.com
So the initial plan was 5-6M produced through 2020 (2.5-3M per quarter)
The orders doubled sometime close to July (after production started) for 10M by 2020 (5M per quarter)
Then we get new news, that would have been known well in advance of the production starting, that the yield on the SOC are low changing the target from 15M by March (5M per quarter) to 11M (just under 3.7M per quarter).
Not sure why they would pump up production while the yields should have been known only to cut them 2 months later.
There is no such thing as "dynamic teraflop" in the spec sheet. Variable frequency in PS5 makes fuckall difference to the peak TF (just like PC GPU). Its a 10TF machine just like SX is a 12TF machine, that's about it.
Even lower? 11m is almost double the Ps4 launch. And double the initial production of Ps5.
lmao. I am used to it by now. My posts cut right through people. It's a talent. or a curse.... I cant tell.
I hope they tag me tomorrow, i dont want this console to be $599, but right now with what we know, i cannot reconcile a $399 console in my mind unless sony is willing to take a massive loss or pass down the costs to the consumers somehow. The BOM was already $70 higher than the PS4 BOM so at $399 they would already be taking a $50-70 extra loss. Regardless, The estimates are down by 4 million units, failure rate was as low as 50% and still not stable. if this isnt the time to panic, i dont know what is. You were in the next gen threads with us, everyone dismissed the github leaks because even 2.0 ghz was too high and we all knew the yields would be bad. This is all our worst fears come true.
I wish I had the same faith in Sony like these guys do, but this is arguably the worst news we couldve heard going into the conference tomorrow.
I get that but the savings on the APU, Disc Drive (Sony's licensing cut) have to negate most of the increased costs for the SSD. I wouldn't be surprised if it's nearly the same price as the XSX SSD, even if it is faster and custom
11m is just over a million more than the comparable PS4 figure. It's probably going to mean 9 million shipped by end of march compared to 7.5m for PS4.
PS4 was still sold out at that time so PS5 probably will be too.
You know perfectly what I was talking about.... Tying the peak processing power to the clocks.... And your inane argument doesn't even make sense, since teraflops are the moost dynamic part... it will vary with the amount of work its assigned and there's nothing more dynamic in a computer. So, close this inane discussion and leave it like that. This is the last post I will make on the subject.
I just think that MS might be willing to lose more money per system than Sony. You know, with MS being a larger company and also projecting lower initial sales.
Ps5 would be sold out even if they hit the 15m mark. They cannot satisfy initial demand no matter how hard they try. This goes for MS too.
if that was true they would spend some money on having 2gb more on xss.
The production is bigger then the ps4, that right there tells you is not a 599 console.
Well, you are going to find out tomorow.
There is way to much context and details missing to come to much of a conclusion about what any of this will mean.
How long ago was the yield at 50% and how long did these low yields last for? For all we know they struggled with bad yields at the very start and found the problem real quick and have been adjusting the process all this time.
Alot of people in here act like Sony has been forced to throw away half of their SoCs since they started production. That's laughable and I don't understand why anyone would jump to such a conclusion.
How long ago was the yield at 50% and how long did these low yields last for? For all we know they struggled with bad yields at the very start and found the problem real quick and have been adjusting the process all this time.
Alot of people in here act like Sony has been forced to throw away half of their SoCs since they started production. That's laughable and I don't understand why anyone would jump to such a conclusion.
Any official doc or info where they state the Series S uses a completely different SoC than the Series X? I'm no expert, but that's a lot of extra cash designing a separate SoC that has less CUs and lower clocks for the $299 console
The XBSS is reported to already be a big loser for MS. And increasing RAM is not that easy on a SoC. It's limited by the available bandwidth and the density of the chips.
lol this gif is amazing!I'm getting a PS5 if it's the last thing I do
Sony taking a big lost is normal , the best selling console PS2 had poor yields in the first year and they were losing over $125 per console.
The most important aspect is what the yields are now .
They are not going to price there console on short term cost .
Zen 2 had 70% rate when it first started out and now over 90% if i remember right , so we know these thing go up and that the case with Sony already .
obviously xbox has a limit on how much it can spend....
xbox is 20years on the console space and in not allowed to drag the company profitability with huge losses or else shareholders will ask to cut the division.
its literally a different size, different CPU Speed, Different layout configuration for memory etc. it doesnt work that way.
Yeah.. I think alot of products would be fucked if their prices depended on initial yields.
Doesn't work that way. It's a long term game.
Doesn't work that way. It's a long term game.
This isn't 11 million available at launch. It is 11 million produced by March 2021. These will be for Q2 too.
It's not a low number by any stretch (it's still marginally more than the PS4 produced in the same period) but it's not double.
Production ≠ instantly appearing at retail globally
That's not what I said. Just that I think that MS may be willing to lose more than Sony, not unlimited.
I can read doom all over this post.
Funny guy!
Indeed.
ah okay so it's related to the cpu clocks, thanks!
and oh yeah i think those prices are way too low, guess we'll see in 24 hours.
only people upset by this should be shareholders not being able to get a huge gain in revenue if they were able to prod 15 mil in a quarter lol. doesnt scream anything else to people.
comparing this to sega and dreamcast. Lmao. incredible work here.
PS4 wasn't marginally close to 11M units in its first 9 months. They were producing at a rate of 2.5m per quarter. PS5 is 3.7Mish per quarter.
Here's hoping quality control is good and there's no issues post launch. I still remember getting a broken Original Xbox at launch and a broken iPhone 4 at launch (Apple Store in my city managed to replace same day which was incredible).
Also sounds like the price is super competitive considering the amounts they wanted. Here's hoping the disc one is in less demand.
Also sounds like the price is super competitive considering the amounts they wanted. Here's hoping the disc one is in less demand.
i was about to say lol.
im going back and forth about getting digital, i have to look at all my disk games and see which ones i actually still want to play. to decide. gonna be interesting come tomorrow if price is finally revealed(i hope so) lol
The article says "Sony had previously set a production target between five and six million by March 2021".Sure, but we have this report from July:
PS5 production has reportedly doubled, but 2020 supply issues are still possible | VGC
Sony ‘orders 10 million units’ in 2020, up from 5-6…
So the initial plan was 5-6M produced through 2020 (2.5-3M per quarter)
The orders doubled sometime close to July (after production started) for 10M by 2020 (5M per quarter)
Then we get new news, that would have been known well in advance of the production starting, that the yield on the SOC are low changing the target from 15M by March (5M per quarter) to 11M (just under 3.7M per quarter).
Not sure why they would pump up production while the yields should have been known only to cut them 2 months later.
If the rumors about the yields are accurate, the $499 disc, $449 digital makes sense to me. Given the value of what you're getting with the tech, Sony's pedigree for making games, and a "relative" scarcity of consoles (relative to demand because they would still be producing a lot IMO), ithe PS5 will fly off the shelves at those prices. Going any lower just doesn't make any financial sense. I also don't see any scenario where they go over $500. Those prices are the sweet spot and I expect that Sony will do very well in that range.
I guess this could also explain why they are air freighting consoles because they are running behind. If the yield thingnis true, that rumor now makes sense. As others have said, pre-order early or you might miss out.
I guess this could also explain why they are air freighting consoles because they are running behind. If the yield thingnis true, that rumor now makes sense. As others have said, pre-order early or you might miss out.
Launch window yields will not impact price. Always been saying $399/$499. Will be be beyond shocked if not the case.
I also don't think 399 is happening. I think 449 and 499 is best case scenario haha. Let's see what sony does tomorrow
yeah i dont think there is a over 500 scenario espcially if analysts are putting the price floor at 449 and 399.
im still team 399 and 499! but i think you are probally right
They knew. And they didn't care will X360 have overheating issues or not. There is a book about it i think. Anyway :
The truth about the Xbox 360
A hurried launch, a desire to win the console war and design compromises lay behind the 'red ring of death' debacle that cost Microsoft $1.15bn
www.theguardian.com
The best reason to have some shipped by air is because the production is continuous, so they ship the first batches by boat, and they can also ship the last weeks of production before the launch date by air, which ends up the maximum possible consoles at launch for the lower possible cost.
I think they always did that with every console launch?
I think they always did that with every console launch?
If the digital was something like £150 cheaper I might just go for it but I doubt it. I value having a Blu-ray and UHD Blu-ray player onboard, plus I have a few big PS4 games on disc (although I do plan on going digital for most of my purchases going forward).
Fair enough. The idea wouldn't be that outrageous though. NVidia has been doing that forever with their GPUs, rebranding "flawed" chips for lower SKUs variations.
all that stuff would have to be taken into consideration a long time before they even start fabricating.
I do value that too even though i havent bought a movie on Blu-ray in years might make me get some at least movies i really like. i wish digital got better where you could get the blu-ray quality and not just streamed but having the video saved locally.
They are literally advertising it at that price. It would be unprecedented and highly improbable for them to change it after all of this has been set.
Could be $499/$429. It's not that much more separation from $499/449, but it appears like more. It's a price with an easier upsell compared to $499/$399, but it's also far enough away that you feel like you're getting some kind of savings.