Lower yield is part and parcel of having a bigger chip as you fit fewer on a wafer. This image doesn't suggest any issues at all, just the reality of making bigger SOCs.
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Lower yield is part and parcel of having a bigger chip as you fit fewer on a wafer. This image doesn't suggest any issues at all, just the reality of making bigger SOCs.
Again I don't think clock has anything to do with yields. Ms also cited low yields as a reason for xsx chip cost to be high . It mostly production related and effected by covid and the node .
He is like the two face of the forum its hilarious lol i honestly dont know which version of him we are going to get every time there is news between either console bad or good lol
We don't know. I don't see how they can produce even 11mil units of they still had a 50% yield. I would guess they might have had that on earlier runs but have gotten it much higher since. However it sounds like it is still lower then they want.
I hope they increase their prices to 599 if they have limited stock. There's less likely to be scalpers and I will have an easier time getting it if it was 599. I still think sony would sell out of the 11 million at 599 so it's a win-win. People who really want the console can still buy it without having to deal with the hassle of fighting over it and Sony still sells out their initial shipment. Then after March when yields improve they can drop it to 499 and sell it to people who weren't willing to jump in at 599.
Sure could be .we don't know for certain . they mentioned lower yield as a part of reason . Many variables are there and one being higher cu number especially if the yield is node related that would also effect higher cu count yield
Could be issues, could be size, could be something else entirely, but that image doesn't tell us which, and it doesn't suggest Microsoft are experiencing similar issues as to what's being reported here.
lol, right.
Those of us that's been in the speculation threads are used to this.
Folks, don't read too much into it....😁
Yeah, guess we just wait. Will be very interesting once RDNA 2 cards finally come out and get in ppl's hands.
Believe me understand the sentiment, but its still shity to want the console to be more expensive JUST to leave people with less money out lol.
I remember my college had a more expensive store, so it would be emptier for the teachers.
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Yeah, I just saw your other post.
That was something I think most ppl overlooked. Most just focused on it costing more.
If they price it too low then the scalpers will be the ones that make all the money anyways and people who still want it will be priced out regardless.
Yeah I don't understand how they decided to increase production from 6 million to 10 million for 2020 then reach 15 million if they were only hitting 50% yields after they started made production.
because its not just hitting 50 % key words here " production yields as low as 50% for its SOC"
so 50% is the lowest they have been getting but it does not mean its the only yield percentage if it was they would have way way less to produce.
The Xbox Series X die is (slightly) smaller than the OG Xbox One and Xbox One X.
Well that's what I'm getting at they couldn't still be at 50% if they increased production targets or if it's the opposite and the yields are now dropping to 50% that would suggest a manufacturing issue to me.
Don't you see the PR disaster that is lowering the price by 100$ less than 5 months after release?
Scalpers will always be there, be 499 or 599, and stores can always apply measurements like 1 preorder per person. The last thing Sony wants is another PS3 situation.
Slightly bigger than the One X from a quick google, but not by much.
But fair point, it still doesn't mean that the slide highlighted points at issues with yields, lower yields might just be a side-effect of the more complex tech being used.
And shit was sold out at release in the UK & USA at the very least. The amount of people gaming and with disposable income has only now increased, for reference, I was a broke ass student back then and now have a steady income, 90s kids (who grew up when home gaming started becoming more popular) have that purchase at release money now. 100% this thing will be going for £100+ its release price on ebay etc. due to supply not meeting demand.
I think you need to relax, lol. I've never seen a more the sky is falling post.
Yields can be as low as 30%, hitting at 50% isnt catastrophic its just now they would need to see what can bump the yields up and rectify it, if they were saying less than half of the wafer was usable id be more alarmed than pretty much half, so just says they need a bit more time to figure out what production variations are causing the 50% yield. I think its fine. and we dont even know yields are mad secretive anyway so no idea if its the opposite or they are going up.
Even worse. In wide parts of Europe you didn't see a single PS4 in stores until end of March 2014. Every single one they received had already been sold during the pre-order period in early 2013. Ebay prices were as high as 1000€ and people bought them.
this panel threw me off. I thought for sure that meant XSX was going to be far more expensive than the x1x.
i guess despite the higher chip costs they were somehow able to hit their pricepoint.
I'm there regardless, I just want to leave this gen behind as soon as possible
If the roles were reversed and this had came out for MS there would be a shit show in here. Its been relatively calm with people discussing it in good faith (on the whole) in my opinion. its FAAAAR more reasonable than your average Gamepass/xbox naming issues/wifi6...etc threads of late
And this is why increasing prices as a measurements against scalpers does nothing (just using the example you posted).
Anyways, although I'm sure PS5 will have shortages too and you'll probably not get one without a preorder till next year, let's not forget that the PS4 was cheaper, not only cheaper than PS5 but also cheaper than their rival, with the Xbox One costing 100€ more. Also the One came from a huge PR disaster that even took the head of Mattrick. Basically the PS4 had the perfect scenario to be an incredible success.
Bloomberg:
Sony aimed to produce 5 million to 6 million PS5 units by the end of March 2021.
Bloomberg:
Sony have doubled the production from 5-6 to 10 million.
Bloomberg:
Sony have dropped production from 15 million to 11 million until March 2021.
Wut.
So they raised production by another million, after they already doubled it... but they failed to triple it. Mass production just doesn't change that fast. Assembly lines are built for a volume. Procurement is negotiated 6-9 months in advance from a hundreds of suppliers. It cannot adapt so quickly.
Sony aimed to produce 5 million to 6 million PS5 units by the end of March 2021.
Bloomberg:
Sony have doubled the production from 5-6 to 10 million.
Bloomberg:
Sony have dropped production from 15 million to 11 million until March 2021.
Wut.
So they raised production by another million, after they already doubled it... but they failed to triple it. Mass production just doesn't change that fast. Assembly lines are built for a volume. Procurement is negotiated 6-9 months in advance from a hundreds of suppliers. It cannot adapt so quickly.
Eh, isn't that still a lot of units?
Yeah you won't find one on every shelf but I'm sure if you look you'll be able to find one or at least IMO that's how it'll be. I'm going to have a way easier time getting this compared to an SNES Classic some years ago, hell probably the same compared to getting my Wii.
Yeah you won't find one on every shelf but I'm sure if you look you'll be able to find one or at least IMO that's how it'll be. I'm going to have a way easier time getting this compared to an SNES Classic some years ago, hell probably the same compared to getting my Wii.
Haha ur notification is getting hammered, eh? 🤣😂
Be ready tomorrow if prices are not 500 and 600 , again they will tag u nonstop 😬😬😂❤
It says in that same slide they added the HW Engines/accelerators to mitigate against the increased wafer/die costs. Hence the overall cost per chip is broadly similar to Scorpio so $499 again.
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The first Bloomberg article was a little strange.
It said 5-6 million by the end of March.
But then it said the new numbers were 5 million by the end of September and 10 million by the end of December (which would put 15 million by the end of March.).
The first Bloomberg article was a little strange.
It said 5-6 million by the end of March.
But then it said the new numbers were 5 million by the end of September and 10 million by the end of December (which would put 15 million by the end of March.).
Contradicting the "doubling" in the article a few paragraphs later:
It's still probably the highest amount ever for a console launch window
Clocks absolutely affect yields since not every die is gonna hit the clocks you want in the voltage range that your cooling is specced at.
It's not like Ryan would ever make it seem like anything isn't going according to plan while in PR mode, but the other thing to keep in mind is, that 50% figure is about how bad the yields were at some point and they have improved since. How well? I guess we'll never know any time soon, but they must have improved well enough that it's still realistic to expect the prices Bloomberg is expecting AND that they're still on track to ship the biggest console launch even if it fell below their initial plan.
That also raises questions. Maybe Bloomberg's source is just that much behind on info.
I'm getting a PS5 if it's the last thing I do
I came in here to say something but I think this is just better to highlight and cry with laughter lmao!
Yeah it seems like Bloomberg has been kinda doing the rollercoaster by themselves while Sony hasn't announced anything.
I guess that once prices are out they'll be able to talk about forecasts and expected sales/demand officially.
11m by March would still be unprecedented for a Sony launch. I'm not even sure how they could go from 5 to 15m??? Based on what?
These laughing posts. I get snake is dramatic and all but did he really make any outrageous predictions? A $500-$600 price point has been talked about by many, just recently does it seem like Sony might match Xbox. Higher priced first party games, every one is probably going $70 so that's not crazy. Higher priced PS+, that's an obvious one, of course services go up in price.