I mean, that's literally the new identity of the game, it's not a "bonus". Everything will reflect the heroes as they are in OW2.
That's different though. Cosmetics and PvP systems (heroes, maps, balance, etc.) affect and appeal to considerably different audience sizes. The latter affects everyone, but I think the majority of people who have no interest in PvE won't buy OW2, even if they like the skins. It's not like they won't be able to get other skins. As such, new defaults are a bonus, because PvP only players will get all the changes except the new default skins.
Yes, I'm not saying people will buy OW2 just for the skins, but paywalling those seems a little odd considering they are the new defaults after all. It's more like a "fuck you, give me money" thing.
The old default skins will obviously still be in the game. And like I said, PvP only players get every change except these skins. So, someone could've paid $40 USD in 2016, bought zero microtransactions, gotten most of the skins in OW1, and then play OW2 6-7 years later for only that single purchase - and the only thing they'd be missing out on is some skins. That seems both reasonable and an ethical business practice.
We'll agree to disagree, I guess. The default skins should be the bare minimum, considering OW2 PvP is probably going to be f2p to begin with, not just for OW1 players, so the only extra perks you're getting are your old stuff.
I'm not sure I understand? Shouldn't the main gameplay be the bare minimum? You're getting the expanded PvP content as well. The skins seem relatively trivial in comparison.
These skins are the defaults for Overwatch 2. You should acquire Overwatch 2 to get them.
These are new defaults. The OW1 defaults will still exist. In my previous post, I suggested that the new OW2 defaults might be treated like new skins altogether
The PvE missions are paid, not OW2. Those skins aren't exclusive to the PvE so why should you buy an extra mode to unlock the base skins of a game? I mean, it's not like it's a huge deal, but it's pretty hard to defend. I'm not asking to get full access to everything in OW2 because I bought OW1 in 2016, it's literally the base skins of OW2, it shouldn't be paid content.
The line is fairly arbitrary because they promised that there wouldn't be any paid content at all with OW1, so why draw the line at PvE content? Why not just have the entire thing as a free update?
It seems harder to argue some new skins are owed to the OW1 players than it is to defend them not being given tbh. Any other multiplayer game sequel would be a completely separate app that leaves the previous game and player base in the dust unless they purchase the new game, and all previous skins wouldn't carry over. Being able to access all the new PVP content besides skins free of charge, with all your past cosmetics being brought forward into the updated game, seems like a pretty good deal.
Because they need to make money and making the PvP game paid would be suicide. This is a good way to reboot it and remonetize the whole thing without upsetting too much the playerbase they've been neglecting for years while also appeasing Acti-Blizz which wanted a new game. It's a compromise.
I mean, yes, the industry is trash, but that doesn't make it a good deal considering the PvP is 90% the same thing on a new engine. A lot of meaningful gameplay changes that will be introduced in OW2 could have been done years ago and made OW1 less of a hellhole.
They could've made money just by having the entire thing as a standalone app you had to pay for (don't put me in charge; people not wanting up upgrade would've gotten less). Boycotts don't work in gaming and the majority of the Overwatch community would've bought this Day 1 regardless. If all the holdouts care for is the PvP, then they're not being neglected by not being given OW2 skins, no more then I was by not buying the Legendary edition of OW1. Again, this just seems like a very arbitrary line to draw.
Boycotts? OW has a fraction of the playerbase it used to have, it's up to Blizzard to find a way to pull them back in with OW2, it's not about the current base. Making it paid would have meant a lot less people checking it out when it launches, because they'd have to pay again for a game they already abandoned.
A new engine already means it's not even close to 90% the same thing, not to mention the new game mode(s) and all the new maps and characters that will be launched at once when it drops. It's not just gonna be simple balance tweaks that could have been implemented at any time, they're basically fully rethinking how the game works from the ground up. It's work deserving of the price of entry for a full new game but there won't be one, so yeah it still seems like a pretty good deal.
I don't know the extent to which the OW base has shrunk, but I don't believe those who say it's dead. Even if I'm wrong in that assumption, if all of the content we've been privy to up to this point isn't enough to make a person want to purchase it, then they just don't want to buy it right now. That would remain true regardless of how the content was divvied up between those who upgraded and those who didn't. Like, either buy it or don't lol.
Well...there you go. It's not a big deal. Why did you care enough to get into such a spirited debate?
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It's not dead, no, but it used to be THE game, and right now it's not making nearly as much as their execs think it should compared to all the other big names. If you've followed Blizzard for the last few years you should know that OW isn't too big to get axed.
Because I'm not the one that made it a debate, I simply said that it's odd that default skins aren't actually "default", and you're here trying to convince me we should be grateful and they're just a little bonus. Like, no, I'm not gonna give you that. It's just a statement, there's no "argument" to win here.
They're the ones that decided to spend their budget into making the guns have 15 ambient sounds, not me. People have issues with the game that have nothing to do with most of what they've shown of OW2, it's not about their work deserving full price or not, but if someone has a miserable time every time they play the game, they're not gonna pay again if all they've changed is the engine the game is running on. That's a completely different topic.
You made a contentious statement and then continued to double down on it, despite claiming that you didn't care that much. Quite frankly, it's more "odd" that Blizzard isn't splitting the PvP playerbase and erasing our cosmetic inventories in a sequel than it is odd that they're not giving away a whole slew of skins for free. And yeah, we aren't owed literally free carryover of cosmetics and overhauls of the PvP system, so if the opposite of gratefulness is entitlement, then gratefulness seems like an appropriate response. Really, your use of quotations around "default" here strikes me as a semantic discomfort. Perhaps it'd be easier to think of them as OW2 premium founder's edition skins, or something.
They're supposed to be default, they're gonna get used in promo material, cinematics, illustrations, everywhere, but they're not actually defaults since they don't come by default, hence the quotations. Not considering their current look in the current time frame their default look seems like mental gymnastics to me.
Yeah, but if we're thinking about this from the perspective of people getting into Overwatch for the first time with OW2, they're either going to buy the full game based on the marketing, or they'll get the PvP for free and find that the (let's be real) mildly-moderately altered OW2 default skins are locked behind a purchase. Is that really a deal-breaker? There's so many new things coming for free that I cannot help but think these future F2P Overwatch newbies aren't going to think much about getting a different set of default skins. To reiterate my previous points, new defaults locked behind a purchase of the full game does not seem like taking away something from F2P players, it feels like a premium incentive to try the single player - i.e, a bonus.
Hm, hadn't thought about that distinction. Does Apex allow crossplay in its ranked mode? Trying to think of other crossplay games with ranked modes too.
And Switch! The hypothetical "Pro" should be out by the time OW2 launches and if it can offer 1080p/60fps I'll probably make that my main platform (fingers crossed for cross progression/account transfer).
If you don't buy Overwatch 2, then they are literally the default skins of a game you're not playing. So nope, you're just wrong.
I mean, you're factually wrong but it's fine, you want to play a co-op PvE game rather than what OW has been for 5 years, you're clearly a different audience.
That has nothing to do with the topic of skins, you're just deflecting. One for the ignore list.
So it sounds like they've wanted to do it, but they've been waiting for the sequel for the go ahead.Basically the same answer they've been giving for the past 2-3 years now
IGN: But will those still be within single console families, or is there any plan for cross-platform play? Could an Overwatch 2 PvP player on PS5 play with an Xbox One Overwatch 1 PvP player? Is there any movement on that?
Jeff Kaplan: We are extremely supportive and excited about the concept of cross play. We love it in other games. In general, our thought is any system the game can adequately run on, and any way that people can play with their friends – even just for reasons of improving the matchmaking experience – we're very excited about those ideas. We don't have anything officially to announce or talk in detail about today, but in general the team stance is that cross play is exciting. We are interested in exploring it and if we can overcome the hurdles, we would love to bring a feature like that to our players someday.
Overwatch 2 at Blizzcon 2021: The Big Jeff Kaplan Interview - IGN
Despite today's Overwatch 2 Behind-the-Scenes panel revealing a glut of new details about the game, there's still a lot to discuss about Blizzard's shooter sequel. Thankfully, we managed to speak to exactly the right person about that – game director Jeff Kaplan.www.ign.com
I was so hyped from that Diablo 2 Resurrected cross-progression announcement because of what I assumed it meant for the imminent Overwatch 2 segment - but it seems the OW team is far out from discussing that still.
