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JCizzle

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,302
I suggest calling them out by having discussions but not allowing the fandom.

It would be consistent with how the forum has handled content creators and games before.

The only thing unprecedented is something the size of blizzard being banned.
I'm sure the forum can also detect if you're viewing from an iOS product. Should we ban that function until Apple improves their human rights issues? What if you're using a Pixel? Going to the source would be equally effective. Not banning allows conversations regarding all the fucked up shit these companies do, it's certainly been informative to me during these situations.
 
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lactatingduck

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
666
Hey lactatingduck , just a quick question :

Super Smash Bros Ultimate added some characters from some "problematic" games, via the Fighters Pass. Don't you think that, if we follow what you're saying, we should also ban any Super Smash Bros Ultimate / Nintendo discussion ?

(Hero / Sugiyama, Joker and the treatment of the LGBTs in their games...)
Are the problematic or do they actively support the oppression of human rights through statements that legitimize those in power who are currently running concentration camps?
 

shuno

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
625
You mean like every corporation that we discuss here? Sony, Nintendo, MS who produce parts in china under unhuman conditions, not once being critical about the government, or the likes of Epic who are partly owned by chinese companies? The whole Blizzard-china thing was overblown. People forgot that there were probably hundreds of jobs on the line.
 

Semfry

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,956
Why not? Maybe video games and the industry are unsustainable in a way that doesn't oppress human rights. At that point, maybe it all should be ended.

Congratulations on working out that capitalism is bad, now you just need to work out that this approach isn't feasible either.

Or if you're actually going through with that, bye I guess?

There's no ethical consumption under capitalism.

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lactatingduck

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
666
Because I think capitalism in general is an unethical and oppressive system, certain Blizzard higher ups may be guilty of supporting China, but they're definitely not the only unethical company out there. If we went and made a list of every company that has shit politics, this forum wouldn't exist. Might as well knock out any company that does business or supports the US while we're at it, because we definitely don't have an ethical government either.
But you don't see a distinction between China running concentration camps and these other places? To be clear let's boycott them all but it's disingenuous to act like China is doing run of the mill stuff.
 

Milennia

Prophet of Truth - Community Resetter
Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,254
Yes that would make it much easier to boycott as many of them as I can!
You need to throw your phone and computer out the window right now if you truly want to go through with your crusade you have going on here, Microsoft and Apple love china, maybe a few of the lights in your home as well, actually cut off your electric as well, you'd be surprised at just how many companies you live under have dealings with china
 

Strangelove_77

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,392
If anything, nothing should be banned. If people want to talk about something they should be able to. Let the forum decide if it's worth talking about or not.
Banning someone/something because you don't want to give them a platform, exposure or whatever is the silliest excuse. This place isn't influential enough to change minds. Not to mention that people here are very stubborn and won't be swayed easily from their beliefs.
 

packy17

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,901
Are you suggesting there's nothing in the gaming industry that is good that doesn't support the violation of human rights? Really?

Almost all silicon pieces are at least partly assembled in China, including parts from all 3 console manufacturers. We would have to stop discussion on everything. This thread is dumb.
 
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lactatingduck

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
666
Almost all silicon pieces are at least partly assembled in China, including parts from all 3 console manufacturers. We would have to stop discussion on everything. This thread is dumb.
Why is stopping all discussion so wildly out of the question? Maybe our enthusiasm is causing horrible things for other people and we should consider new hobbies?
 
Nov 14, 2017
4,928
How so? I'm engaging with everyone.
No, you're not. Every modern bit of gaming hardware has a supply chain in China. You can't use modern gaming technology without giving money to a company that does business in China.

If you were being honest, you would be arguing that we should all stop buying hardware until they pull out of China. You wouldn't be typing on this forum at all because you probably wouldn't own hardware capable of doing so. You'd have to build your own device on a breadboard and take care that each component didn't come from China.
 
Oct 25, 2017
10,766
Toronto, ON
Blizzard the company does it. If you work there, you support it whether you want to or not through your labor.

Wow...naive, condescending, and economically/class ignorant all at once. Is the labor that you perform at your own workplace completely devoid of ethical concerns and 100% free of any exploitation anywhere on the supply chain?

If you go through this thread I've said multiple times that may be the only answer.

Then why are you still here? Have the courage of your convictions and A) stop playing games and B) stop posting here.
 

Spork4000

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
8,521
Are you suggesting there's nothing in the gaming industry that is good that doesn't support the violation of human rights? Really?

I mean, undertale, maybe? Every console manufacturer does though, same with semiconductor manufacturers. You literally can't play a video game without supporting a company that has some human rights abuses in their closet, whether through support of an oppressive regime, or through actual direct action.
 

Gold Arsene

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
30,757
Also I gotta be honest this is a funny tangent from that last time I saw you were you admitted to trolling people because they had anime avatars in the Smash bros thread.

You'd think with these major concerns you'd of had more important things to do.
 

Dogui

Member
Oct 28, 2017
8,813
Brazil
Blizzard overlook chinese oppression as much as Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft does, unfortunately.

Even if you cut ties with China completely, you'll have to work with USA at some point as well, so yeah.
 

Deleted member 42472

User requested account closure
Banned
Apr 21, 2018
729
I have lol. I sold diablo 3 and don't play any of their stuff.
Ah, so you are saying you profited off of oppression. For shame.


Look, I also am uncomfortable with blizzard and am putting off their products until they show signs of change. I did the same with thq Nordic proper (if a subsidiary spoke out or have a good record then I am fine with them).

That is me. You are you

But here is the thing. Maturity is examining a situation and deciding on a course of action that aligns with your own personal ethics. Immaturity is insisting everyone needs to be consistent with yours.
 
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lactatingduck

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
666
So go ahead and do it. I don't see what's stopping you. Clearly no one here is agreeing to do it and you're not running this forum. Not sure what you're expecting out of this thread.
Im Interested in how we as a community are pretty good about controlling what content is and isn't allowed on this forum and it's generally tied to a sense that the person or content could be harmful to some in the community or the world.

Howevet when it comes to blizzard, that's all out the window and I'd like to know why.

Banning a game or company or website from Era is not unprecedented. The crazy part is because of how big Blizzard is prevents the discussion from gaining any traction.
 

Tempy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,333
Also I gotta be honest this is a funny tangent from that last time I saw you were you admitted to trolling people because they had anime avatars in the Smash bros thread.

You'd think with these major concerns you'd of had more important things to do.

Oh, a history of trolling? That explains a lot.
 

Ryuelli

Member
Oct 26, 2017
15,209
But you don't see a distinction between China running concentration camps and these other places? To be clear let's boycott them all but it's disingenuous to act like China is doing run of the mill stuff.

The US locks up more people per capita than anywhere else in the world (literally 22% of the world's prisoners are in the US) and currently has little kids sitting in camps. I don't know if I'd say that's "run of the mill stuff". If our prisoners were a city, we'd they'd be slightly less populated than Houston.

If you criticize China for having unethical prisons, than you'd obviously have to criticize America has well.

If we're moving away from prisons, the US has most of the world's billionaires. More than China, more than Russia, and more than Germany. More than all 3 of those countries combined. Having 700+ billionaires while simultaneously having having half a million homeless people and countless other lower income people seems unethical to me. Why would you not boycott the US?

Let's not even get into the unethical hyper-capitalist healthcare industry here. That's definitely not "run of the mill".
 

Gold Arsene

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
30,757
Why is stopping all discussion so wildly out of the question? Maybe our enthusiasm is causing horrible things for other people and we should consider new hobbies?
The only thing shutting down this forum will do is make everyone move their discussion elsewhere. No one is going to boycott all products with links to China just because you told them too. Everyone who bought Blizzard games still going into this thread will continue to do so after they leave. Your black and white extremism will change nothing.
 

Chaos2Frozen

Member
Nov 3, 2017
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lactatingduck

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
666
Ah, so you are saying you profited off of oppression. For shame.


Look, I also am uncomfortable with blizzard and am putting off their products until they show signs of change. I did the same with thq Nordic proper (if a subsidiary spoke out or have a good record then I am fine with them).

That is me. You are you

But here is the thing. Maturity is examining a situation and deciding on a course of action that aligns with your own personal ethics. Immaturity is insisting everyone needs to be consistent with yours.
Lol I'm not insisting anyone do anything. Resetera as a forum and community set a standard when they banned websites, games and content producers from having their games/content/news discussed, which is fair.

But why haven't we applied that to Blizzard when they're the most egregious violator we know of?
 

packy17

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,901
Why is stopping all discussion so wildly out of the question? Maybe our enthusiasm is causing horrible things for other people and we should consider new hobbies?

There is nothing in the modern world that does not benefit in part from suffering.

As many others have said....

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. However, even with all its flaws, it's the only system that seems to work.
 

duckroll

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,203
Singapore
Im Interested in how we as a community are pretty good about controlling what content is and isn't allowed on this forum and it's generally tied to a sense that the person or content could be harmful to some in the community or the world.
Nope, that's never been the case. Not sure what you're talking about. People still talk about Dragon Quest and its music here.
 

Deleted member 8561

user requested account closure
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
11,284
The overall "banning" of content on ERA is pretty arbitrary in a way, although I would say there is a ratio of the influence a company/game/person has which is weighted against the overall offenses and "issues" that are brought up to warrant such a ban of discussion.

Games like Hatred or content creators like Colin Moriarty getting banned, while THQ strategically marketed themselves to a bunch of alt-right white supremacists with little blow back.

If the company is large, publishes a wide amount of games or has massive sway in the industry, it's basically not going to get banned. No matter what the offense is. It's the issue of having a gaming forum, they represent a major influence and news in the industry, creating giant blind spots of discussion due to their problematic behavior is likely seen as "unwise".

And I don't disagree, although considering the offense that THQ Nordic did and the fact that ERA does ban topics/creators from discussion, the simple fact that THQ Nordic was not bared in some way is a black mark considering what they did.
 

Thrill_house

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,622
Just because you and I won't play their games doesn't mean we have to push our beliefs on others. Let it go, I'm sure there are some things you buy others find questionable. Hell I bought Kingdom come so I'm not going to look down on anybody
 

Jebusman

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,087
Halifax, NS
Lol I'm not insisting anyone do anything. Resetera as a forum and community set a standard when they banned websites, games and content producers from having their games/content/news discussed, which is fair.

But why haven't we applied that to Blizzard when they're the most egregious violator we know of?

THQ ran an AMA on a chan site known for harbouring child porn and they're not banned.

The bar is real fucking high. If you're too big or your fanbase is too rabid, you're not going to get banned here from discussion. End of story.

Now, you publish a GAME that outright expresses these thoughts, then on a game by game basis I bet you'll see it end up on the banned game list. But the pub will still come out unscathed if they're one of the big ones.
 
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lactatingduck

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
666
rofl at this bias. where do you think a switch is built, the DQ guy is a holocaust denier, etc
I don't but dragon quest and I'm increasingly leaning towards not buying new systems cuz what you say.

I like that instead of engaging the issues people are trying to paint me as a bad messenger and therefore message ignored! Like come on lol.
 
Nov 14, 2017
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Lol I'm not insisting anyone do anything. Resetera as a forum and community set a standard when they banned websites, games and content producers from having their games/content/news discussed, which is fair.

But why haven't we applied that to Blizzard when they're the most egregious violator we know of?
Again, you claim you're honestly engaging, but you're actually trolling and ignoring the difficult questions.

You need to address the fundamental point: If boycotting China is the answer, why haven't you done that and got rid of all your technology?
 

Piston

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,165
Why not? Maybe video games and the industry are unsustainable in a way that doesn't oppress human rights. At that point, maybe it all should be ended.
Human civilization is unsustainable in a way that doesn't oppress human rights... or at least the entire history of our species so far has shown that.

Sounds like you are "just asking questions" to troll.
 
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