I don't like that goats is going to be complete removed.
But then again I like watching good goats teams.
But then again I like watching good goats teams.
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Blizzard is adding a 2-2-2 role lock to Overwatch League and likely the game itself
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By the way, I meant to say Overwatch 2, not OW in general. Unless people are just using OW2 as a code-name.
I mean that's exactly what this is. People who are upset because the team won't follow their orders to build the comp they want, so instead of finding a group of people to play regularly with, they want to alter the rest of the game to fit their needs w/out considering any of the negative ramifications.
Do you mean players playing tanks and support?
That's no different to now, except with 2/2/2 that DPS Moira won't be the only support.
You're talking one tricks and they suck in the current system as well. If anything, having to wait longer for a match as DPS (I think Jeff stated somewhere around 14 minutes?) might encourage those players to be more flexible in who they pick.
Could be a good thing since many (like myself) have been want Overwatch based story modes/campaigns, permanent archive missions since the game has come out but due to Blizzard focusing so heavily on the competitive angle, never happened.
You make it sound like everyone even plays those comps correctly to begin with. Unless you're in masters or OWL, even if the comps were correct, the strats were wrong. Fav quote from Jeff: "Even when you think you're playing GOATS, you're not playing GOATS".
2-2-2 lock can still have flexibility beyond what you are saying. I'm not claiming to be the best OW player, but god damn I'm sure getting tired of me being the only support in a full DPS team, or a solo tank with no healers which is incredibly common in gold-plat.
One thing I hope it does is expand players to start working on other characters. People whom never play DPS will find their backup DPS character, etc.
No, there are 14 support/tank characters and 30 characters in total.
1/2 of the characters have to fight for 1/3 of the free positions.
Woah woah... fourteen minutes?! Lol. Surely that ain't right. I figured it would go from the current 30-60 sec to 2 min or so.
No way am I waiting 14m for a 10-15m game.
Is a "might" worth risking the community over? 2-2-2, if implemented for both QP and Comp instead of being a separate mode, will unquestionably reduce the size of the player base. It will reduce the size of the player base, reduce the quality of supports and tanks (for people trying to skirt he wait to play but not caring who they play) and it will increase the toxicity for one tricks or stubborn players who don't get their way.
I just don't see how this community in particular survives in any positive manner if 2-2-2 is mandated across the board. Again, I am fully on board with a 2-2-2 role queue for a separate comp mode, and I'd play it almost exclusively, but it is quite literally the worst thing they could do to this community if it applies to all standard modes.
I didn't mean to say it was a bad thing, but I don't think Blizzard will call it Overwatch 2.
Avoid Player function already tried to fix that issue and it clearly didn't do much of anything about that.
This is certainly an issue too. Characters like Sombra, Symmetra, Pharah, Brigitte, Bastion, Torbjorn and more will have loads of issues, good and bad, if role lock happens with balance as is. I can see tons of characters needing a rework AGAIN.
Even worse to think about when you realize that one of those in the DPS pool is Sombra and might as well be a default pick for most competitive teams.
What do you mean fight? There's plenty of tanks and support to pick from if you want to play them. GOATS doesn't even use DPS.
I want to say that it is not normal that half of the characters in the game only occupy a third of the positions of the teams. That will make there are many DPS that are never used.
Well the problem there is the thousands of one tricks and the ability to avoid exactly three people only, for a week at most.
if anything its been two - three weeks of absolutely mental matches in the league. Triple dps, two tanks, one support or one tank, quadruple dps, one heal
Last week and yesterday's hunter match really shows that the biggest problem of the game isnt the design, but how professional (lol) players are scared / slow to overcome the safest option and goes for the most broken and reliable option to win. Doesn't mean other options are as safe if you can execute correctly
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So many smoothbrains in this thread
So then people in Bronze / Silver / Gold have even longer queue times as no one will play their low level supports with low level DPS / Tank, because they'd rather be in Plat / Diamond, etc.
Again, separate mode, this is all good. Across the board, this is a disaster. Can we at least agree on that? lol
This is incredible news for those of us who ladder on the lower skill rankings, but I have no clue why you'd restrict the creativity of professional teams like this.
And, I know it's Blizzard's game, and I know balance patches are frequent, but Christ, this change is going to end careers.
And, I know it's Blizzard's game, and I know balance patches are frequent, but Christ, this change is going to end careers.
The fact that they limited this so "Good players wouldnt get mass avoided" is ridiculous.
If someone is one tricking, sucking at it and refusing to switch, its their fault if people dont want to play with them. Blizzard should let us avoid as much people as we want. Nobody gets avoided for being "too good" because avoiding only stops people from being put on YOUR team. Like come on blizzard.
feel free to enlighten people with an actual post instead of lame tryhard drive-bys then.
Well despite tanks/supports being half the roster, half the characters being played in matches are rarely tanks/supports right now, at least is Plat and below. So players screwed this up and why 2/2/2 is needed.
not sure which is funnier:
- devs warping the entire game around payload (one of the worst possible FPS game modes)
- players not seeing the irony of complaining about having limited options in a game about being railroaded down a single track
I don't see it nearly as doom and gloom as you, so no :P You might be absolutely correct and this would mess things up big time, it might work perfectly with some time and finetuning. The only real way is to put it in the game and I'm hopeful it works.
Good. The game is too dependent on the other five people not being jackasses as it stands, the amount of times you see someone swap to Widowmaker after one death as Ana or something simular, turning a completely winnable and fun experience into a joyless slog, is mind blowing.
I don't mind the GOATs meta, and really speaking balance wise it's looking better (read: different) than it has for a while, but it's the player base attitude to picking which ruins the fun of Overwatch, and this is the main sure fire way to stop it.
I don't mind the GOATs meta, and really speaking balance wise it's looking better (read: different) than it has for a while, but it's the player base attitude to picking which ruins the fun of Overwatch, and this is the main sure fire way to stop it.
And as for OWL it means dive will probably be back and my beloved NYXL will reign supreme again so win win lol
...but why not just put it in as a separate mode first to at least see how the community responds? Why throw the baby out with the bath water? It just seems so thoughtless to do it all at once to everything.
This isn't going to change the game being massively dependent on your teammates. Your DPS refusing to switch off widow when the enemy team is shitting on him is still going to single handedly lose the game for you.
2-2-2 is happening now because viewership in OWL is tanking. Turns out people actually want to watch players aim and shoot at each other in an FPS instead of vague blobs of color smashing into each other.
I actually don't think this will be a huge change for most of the playerbase.
WHAT.
There are literally DPS players wasting away on benches because they can't play Brig or Zarya - a support and tank respectively. They're retiring because they don't have Jack shit to play. 2/2/2 adds career stability because an entire class of player won't suddenly become obsolete
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I haven't watched OWL this season since early stage 2 because it's just so god damn boring now. So many teams and players have been screwed by GOATS.
So turn the game into Killzone?
I'm kinda torn about this but ultimately I think it's fine.
I just imagine all the people hating on this change as being those terrible instalock dps who blame the healers for their bad positioning and aim. Unfortunately, this change took entirely too long to make.
I think the thing htat a 2 2 2 lock will do is encourage character changes more quickly in order to take advantage of hard counters rather than requiring things to be rebalanced. Off tank usage is gonna fall off though. Also Rip Hammond + 3dps, that was starting to get neat in OWL.
When talking about 2/2/2 they already said they would have to look at balance again, so I guess we'd get a pretty big patch indeed.
To be fair, if they went that route, they should probably just save it for their massive "overwatch 2" update they're planning for next year.
This is actually kind of silly. Some of OW's best moment as a team is mounting some kind of offense/defense at certain points of a match.
For instance last night I was in the team attacking the payload, clock counting down less than 40 seconds to go, we all needed to hold the point, about 4 of us went high health characters and the next two healers, and we held onto the point in overtime and won.
These moments are Overwatch to me. The freedom to experiment as a team. I've played 700 hours but this really sucks my enthusiasm for the game out a bit. Removing duplicate heroes was obvious but this is a step too far imo.
Hopefully it's just OWL and not quick play, personally
For instance last night I was in the team attacking the payload, clock counting down less than 40 seconds to go, we all needed to hold the point, about 4 of us went high health characters and the next two healers, and we held onto the point in overtime and won.
These moments are Overwatch to me. The freedom to experiment as a team. I've played 700 hours but this really sucks my enthusiasm for the game out a bit. Removing duplicate heroes was obvious but this is a step too far imo.
Hopefully it's just OWL and not quick play, personally
i think the only hero it'll severely impact in ladder play will be brig, and only at higher rankings. she'll be an unkillable asshole still lower down because people don't know how to focus her. there will probably be a falloff in rein/zarya too but i don't think it'll be that bad.
A separate mode wouldn't give useful results. If it isn't Comp, a bunch of players will not care. If it's a separate Comp mode, players will stick with main comp mode because that is the one that matters. DPS players also are not going to wait longer in a separate mode queue when they got their normal queue to use either.
