I can't fucking imagine what it has to be like walking into work on a day like today. Hope everyone affected ultimately lands on their feet.
now you're moving the goalposts by talking about occupational hazards. originally we were only talking about getting fired/released
my original point is very simple so please read for just two seconds --
all I'm saying is that even in businesses where there are employee unions, those employees can still get fired. being part of a union does not literally guarantee you keep that job forever
that's all I'm saying. someone (not sure if it was you) was implying that unions mean you can never get fired
I mean the merger happened in 2008... 11 years agoI had a feeling this would happen when the Blizzard-Activision merger was announced.
It pains me as Blizzard used to be one of my favorite video game developers and seeing them go down the corporate hellhole is sad.
No new IP/franchise, old IPs stopped growing with no new game from Blizzard in sight, Activision side losing Destiny.Man wtf is happening over activision blizzard that things got this dire
okay cool, got itFair enough so it's possible I came in the middle of a conversation and replied to you. I certainly wasn't implying that union = never fired.
Shit like this makes the WoW Battle For Azeroth thread OP openly contemplating which people they'd like to see fired while tagging another blizzard employee's resetera account in the same post infuriating to me.
There's a casual toxicity that surrounds this entire thing. Glad to see this thread is on the right side of this.
If you are suggesting that I'm implying "fake news" - you are completely misunderstanding my post. I'm implying that people should hold journalists to a higher standard.
I don't know how you could have interpreted my post as anti-ethical journalism.
all i recall is saying 'uh-oh' when i read the newsI mean the merger happened in 2008... 11 years ago
I hope you don't feel some vindication or like nostradamus, because they were fine for many years. were you complaining for the first several years after 2008?
Man wtf is happening over activision blizzard that things got this dire
Spending way too much money elsewhere.How can you have some of the biggest IPs in not only modern gaming, but gaming history and fuck up so bad?
Hope everyone lands somewhere safe. :(
This is horrible.
Also.
Absolutely insane how Blizzard of all companies is not considered profitable enough to pay it's damn employees.
How can you have some of the biggest IPs in not only modern gaming, but gaming history and fuck up so bad?
Sure, but you can communicate this to the employees to give them time to get another job, not torture them by not speaking amidst tons of layoffs rumors.Eh, hot take maybe, but Blizzard has been a bloated, bureaucratic mess for years and a few departments/products have had nothing to show for it. This was bound to happen.
A guy who continues to demonstrate he doesn't understand even the most basic concepts of journalism trying to go in on someone like this is just hilarious.
Severance is a thingSure, but you can communicate this to the employees to give them time to get another job, not torture them by not speaking amidst tons of layoffs rumors.
recently, I would agreeall i recall is saying 'uh-oh' when i read the news
coincidentally, Blizzard's output has been progressively getting worse since then
That's the sad thing, they have not fuck up. We live in a society were you can earn billions of dollars, but won't be enough if investors don't see at least a kajillion dollars. Acti-Blizzard is a succesful company, making so much money, but is never gonna be enough, so the next best thing to earn "profits"? Let's fire all the people while keeping the CEO's pockets full of money. Hooray for capitalism.How can you have some of the biggest IPs in not only modern gaming, but gaming history and fuck up so bad?
To play devil's advocate here, there are usually decent reasons not to announce layoffs as soon as rumors leak. Figuring out exactly who is going to be laid off, what severance they're going to give, etc. And you usually don't keep people with any kind of access on the job after the layoff is announced because of the very real fear of reprisal (which some are advocating in this very thread).Sure, but you can communicate this to the employees to give them time to get another job, not torture them by not speaking amidst tons of layoffs rumors.
Christ's sake. It's absolutely worthless with you lot once the cogs start rolling.
I'm not suggesting he's lying and I understand the concepts that have been quoted/linked to me 30 times over perfectly well (well, not the claims that I'm a facist of some sort). Nevermind - I don't need to explain myself if you've all made up your mind.
I'm assuming if another journalist came forward with conflicting reports to Schreier and also said they had "a source" - you would all just have a breakdown?
That's somewhat fair, it's been 7 years since Diablo 3 launched & there isn't a Diablo 4, because they restarted the project 5 times or something, but when CFO's get 15mil in stocks & 100's of people get fired, it's harder to blame the devs.Eh, hot take maybe, but Blizzard has been a bloated, bureaucratic mess for years and a few departments/products have had nothing to show for it. This was bound to happen.
Severance is temporary, and doesn't alleviate the emotional cost of being laid off and the panic necessary to look for a new job. (esp if you have a family / need health insurance outside of COBRA)
If you are suggesting that I'm implying "fake news" - you are completely misunderstanding my post. I'm implying that people should hold journalists to a higher standard.
I don't know how you could have interpreted my post as anti-ethical journalism.
Christ's sake. It's absolutely worthless with you lot once the cogs start rolling.
I'm not suggesting he's lying and I understand the concepts that have been quoted/linked to me 30 times over perfectly well (well, not the claims that I'm a facist of some sort). Nevermind - I don't need to explain myself if you've all made up your mind.
I'm assuming if another journalist came forward with conflicting reports to Schreier and also said they had "a source" - you would all just have a breakdown?
How can you have some of the biggest IPs in not only modern gaming, but gaming history and fuck up so bad?
Because its the fault of people who are being layed off that the stock is tanking right? Blizzard has been badly mismanaged. The stock price reflects that.
Activision will layoff some very hard-working people, its completely unfair, because this failure at Blizzard has nothing to do with them. Activision is destroying Blizzard in the name of unrelenting greed. Its not wrong to hope that they aren't rewarded for that mindset.
I don't think anyone was happy that layoffs were imminent, would be callous in the extreme. But I do hope some rich prick wont be able buy himself another boat after laying off hundreds.
Do you really think anyone is happy about people getting layed off?
This is not the fuck-up. This is the fix.How can you have some of the biggest IPs in not only modern gaming, but gaming history and fuck up so bad?
Absolutely insane how Blizzard of all companies is not considered profitable enough to pay it's damn employees.
Christ's sake. It's absolutely worthless with you lot once the cogs start rolling.
I'm not suggesting he's lying and I understand the concepts that have been quoted/linked to me 30 times over perfectly well (well, not the claims that I'm a facist of some sort). Nevermind - I don't need to explain myself if you've all made up your mind.
I'm assuming if another journalist came forward with conflicting reports to Schreier and also said they had "a source" - you would all just have a breakdown?
That's the sad thing, they have not fuck up. We live in a society were you can earn billions of dollars, but won't be enough if investors don't see at least a kajillion dollars. Acti-Blizzard is a succesful company, making so much money, but is never gonna be enough, so the next best thing to earn "profits"? Let's fire all the people while keeping the CEO's pockets full of money. Hooray for capitalism.
Jesus, sorry for the rant, I'm right now both so angry and depressed at the state of all this crap.
That particular expansion was being developed before the merger I'm pretty sure.recently, I would agree
but I do not agree for right after 2008
Wrath of the Lich King was released after the merger. the majority of WoW players still think that's the best expansion
I'm not sure what alleviates that besides being guaranteed a job in perpetuity no matter how you perform.Severance is temporary, and doesn't alleviate the emotional cost of being laid off and the panic necessary to look for a new job. (esp if you have a family / need health insurance outside of COBRA)
"People are not allowed to have/express feelings amidst their unavoidable firing, since this happens all the time in every single business, ya know?"You really don't understand the concept of credibility and trust built over time do you?
Christ, just leave and stop derailing the thread with your conspiracy ramblings.