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Bipartisan Sen Intelligence Committee: No direct evidence of conspiracy between Trump campaign and Russia( Source disputs NBCNew's framing of story)

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Ken Dilanian, an NBC reporter responsible for many false reports hyping the Trump/Russia conspiracy is now reporting that the bipartisan Senate report has found no evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia

After two years and 200 interviews, the Senate Intelligence Committee is approaching the end of its investigation into the 2016 election, having uncovered no direct evidence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, according to both Democrats and Republicans on the committee.
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The piece also reaffirms that Paul Manafort, perhaps the scummiest of Trump's circle, has not been charged with any crimes related to the 2016 election:
No evidence has emerged, however, linking the transfer of polling data to Trump. Also unclear in court documents is Manafort's motive for sharing the information. Facing more than a decade in prison for bank and tax fraud, he has not been accused by Mueller of any crimes related to the 2016 election.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ouuE7Ds0b-ysddd8tMV3_SrXfO-mYPLW2Z32fdnkPq-bs

What is the 2020 election going to be like now that Democrats spend 2 years focusing on this conspiracy theory, rather than attacking Trump on his many, many policy failures? Why didn't they build public opposition to the horrific corporate tax cuts? Why aren't they on TV every single day shouting about the ongoing crisis in Puerto Rico? Why did they line up in lockstep support of the coup in Venezeula?

Seriously, what is going to be the Democratic party's case against Trump if he's not a KGB asset (as alleged by Jonathan Chait)?

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/mueller-investigating-trump-russian-asset.html

Trump will rightly claim victory on the issue where Democrats placed all their hope.
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Senate Intelligence does not have access to the things Mueller has been doing, and NBC's sources are already walking back the headline. Stop shitting your pants.
 
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I think we will see a lot of financial and related crimes but no one will actually be able to pin an election conspiracy on Trump.
 
Kyra

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The "Senate" committee was never the one that mattered.

Also, dude needs to be impeached even without this investigation.
 
Ac30

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thebishop said:
Ken Dilanian, an NBC reporter responsible for many false reports hyping the Trump/Russia conspiracy is now reporting that the bipartisan Senate report has found no evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia



The piece also reaffirms that Paul Manafort, perhaps the scummiest of Trump's circle, has not been charged with any crimes related to the 2016 election:


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ouuE7Ds0b-ysddd8tMV3_SrXfO-mYPLW2Z32fdnkPq-bs

What is the 2020 election going to be like now that Democrats spend 2 years focusing on this conspiracy theory, rather than attacking Trump on his many, many policy failures? Why didn't they build public opposition to the horrific corporate tax cuts? Why aren't they on TV every single day shouting about the ongoing crisis in Puerto Rico? Why did they line up in lockstep support of the coup in Venezeula?

Seriously, what is going to be the Democratic party's case against Trump if he's not a KGB asset (as alleged by Jonathan Chait)?

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/mueller-investigating-trump-russian-asset.html

Trump will rightly claim victory on the issue where Democrats placed all their hope.
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OP ignoring the fact Democrats ran on healthcare in the midterms?
 
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You mean the committee that doesn't have actual power over any of the people who continue to refuse to testify in front of them, and that Mueller has personally proven has lied to their faces over and over again?

Yeah, I'm not shocked that THEY would find it inconclusive.
 
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Aww that sucks. If only there were other shitty things he's done during his presidency that people could run against him on.
 
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Trump has a -15 net approval rating, he's getting crucified on the policy side. Not sure what the point of your nervousness is OP. Like sure, there is no guarantee on anything after 2016, but not going after Trump after people elected them to go after Trump is silly.
 
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Ac30 said:
OP ignoring the fact Democrats ran on healthcare in the midterms?
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They're also leaving out a key quote from the article:

NBC said:
Democratic Senate investigators who spoke to NBC News on condition of anonymity did not dispute Burr's characterizations, but said they lacked context.

"We were never going to find a contract signed in blood saying, 'Hey Vlad, we're going to collude,'" one Democratic aide said.
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thebishop said:
What is the 2020 election going to be like now that Democrats spend 2 years focusing on this conspiracy theory, rather than attacking Trump on his many, many policy failures?
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Like his healthcare repeal attempts, messaging that Democrats hammered on constantly in 2018 and the single most important policy debate in delivering them a huge win in the midterms?

Why didn't they build public opposition to the horrific corporate tax cuts?
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Are these the same corporate tax cuts that are widely unpopular with the public? The same tax cuts that Dems have hammered on as giveaways to the rich? The same tax cuts that Republicans bragged would help them keep the House until they realized they'd lost the messaging war and abandoned talking about tax cuts to instead focus on immigrants and the border and MS-13?

You don't know what you're talking about. Luckily, actual Democrats actually running for office have largely ignored the Russia investigation in their campaigns (in 2018 ad now) and have been putting all their time and energy instead on talking about healthcare, taxes, income inequality, and so on. There isn't a single Dem running for president whose staking their candidacy on Trump being a Russian asset guilty of collusion.
 
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You mean the one lead by Republican Senator Richard Burr? Okay.
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The piece repeatedly quotes (anonymous, in typical Dilanian form) Democrats. Like this one:
The report, Democrats say, will not be good for Trump.
But they also made clear they haven't found proof of their worst fear: That the president formed a corrupt pact with Russia to offer sanctions relief or other favorable treatment in return for Russian help in the election.
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Anything that the Republicans have touched directly with their grubby hands has about as much credibility as Trump University.
 
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How's that going? Practically none of them support an actual single payer, medicare for all plan.
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So you're admitting they ran on something other than Russia, it's a start!

And the above isn't true, one Medicare for all bill has close to 100 signatures in the house. Single Payer isn't the only way to get UHC.
 
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Presidents always come out of these types of investigations miraculously free of legal consequences. Foolish to expect anything otherwise just because this particular president happens to be an idiot.
 
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This was always the worst case scenario of the Mueller investigation right? That it snags a bunch of Trump's circle in a way that there's no way Trump wasn't involved, but there's no "smoking gun" and the report doesn't recommend charges or impeachment. Most people aren't politically aware enough to have any nuance beyond "did Mueller find the pee tape or not?"

(Not that I believe this headline specifically, only that this is a plausible outcome of the whole thing)
 
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Ac30 said:
So you're admitting they ran on something other than Russia, it's a start!

And the above isn't true, one Medicare for all bill has close to 100 signatures in the house. Single Payer isn't the only way to get UHC.
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They ran on universal healthcare the way Trump ran on the caravan. Neither one is serious. And frankly it's sad that you're accepting this shameful framing about other paths to "universal" healthcare. You're either for a program that eliminates the for-profit insurance industry, or you don't actually believe in universal healthcare.
 
Contramann

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It's clear the OP has an agenda but I'll be damned if I can understand what it is. The Senate Committee isn't the Mueller investigation and the framing of this investigation being what all Democrats put their chips on is completely wrong.
 
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"We were never going to find a contract signed in blood saying, 'Hey Vlad, we're going to collude,'" one Democratic aide said.
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The way the OP is presenting this "news" is a bit questionable. Pretending that the only thing democrats have to run on is Trump being a Russian asset is simply dishonest.
 
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The idea that the Dems are only running on the Russian Connection stuff is a complete fabrication. Completely ignores all of the opposition to the tax cuts, his dismantling of the ACA, his trade wars, and his inhuman treatment of migrants at the border.

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'conspiracy theory'

foh with that
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Yeah, might as well have just called it a Witch Hunt and gotten it over with.
 
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