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Lozjam

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Nov 1, 2017
1,964
Man this is the fire that we certainly need to punish the pigs trying to install a dictator. The 14th amendment was created for a reason. And he is right. It's treason. I hope this can gain some ground, because if we don't punish Republicans for this, they will try again(and they might succeed).
 

RailWays

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
15,674
As it should be. You don't think the election is legitimate? Then you shouldn't be walking into a newly elected seat.
 

BWoog

Member
Oct 27, 2017
38,273
Democrats will never do it, but those same Democrats are playing a dangerous fucking game with this shit. If Trump and shit like this goes unpunished, it's gonna get worse. WAY worse.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
10,198
Obviously won't happen because Biden and co desperately want to put the genie back in the bottle and "restore the soul of the nation". Let's just ignore the fact Obama was an illegitimate Kenyan squatting in the Oval Office according to them. Now they're smearing Biden as an illegitimate President as well, refusing to even acknowledge him. You can't even blame Republicans for running hogwild when the Democrats don't actually try to give them any repercussions.
 
Nov 18, 2020
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This will be ignored because it's said by someone who has a "D" after their name. Once they see that magical sign, their truth is instantly nullified in the eyes of virtually all Republicans.
 

Kraid

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,265
Cuck Zone
The amount of handwaving of what they're doing because "it won't succeed!" is kind of astounding.

It won't succeed this time.

The packing of the court, blatant gerrymandering, and efforts to disenfranchise everyone they can is a long play so that something like this can succeed in the future.
 

a916

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,836
I think it only works if the Democrats buy in, how many of them are still either shying away from it or saying "we will work together"
 

EdibleKnife

Member
Oct 29, 2017
7,723
Democrats will never do it, but those same Democrats are playing a dangerous fucking game with this shit. If Trump and shit like this goes unpunished, it's gonna get worse. WAY worse.
Yep. They shouldn't be so fucking scared of doing something this drastic when the consequences of letting these people off will mean they try more and more and it'll be the Dems being ousted as a equally powered party in perpetuity as the GOP grabs power. This is Republicans doing the literal opposite of their job and at any other career fundamentally going against the mandate of the job would result in losing it. Politicians should be subject to the same requirements.
 

Dyle

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
29,938
Here's hoping we win the Senate so we can at least consider it
 
Nov 18, 2020
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And yet when Republicans do it en masse? And a Democrat calls for his brethren to stand up united against this attempted coup? Crickets..
 

EdibleKnife

Member
Oct 29, 2017
7,723
I think it only works if the Democrats buy in, how many of them are still either shying away from it or saying "we will work together"
Like at this point any Dem politician watching this shit & seeing their "colleagues" stay silent as bigoted mobs stalk politicians not "getting with the program" I have to believe is being deliberately facetious if they continue their "come together" nonsense. They're making a conscious choice to gaslight the rest of us at that point.
 

Tallshortman

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,631
You're going to see Democratic state legislatures and executives not recognize the Trump dictatorship and instead view a separate Biden administration as the Executive branch if, in the miniscule chance, the Supreme Court decides to vacate their authority by ruling in favor of this abomination.
 

Mandos

Member
Nov 27, 2017
30,944
Doesn't this just require the speaker and a house majority which the Dems currently have? And heck the replacement goes to states so it can't be claimed as a power grab either

not saying it's going to happen of course
 

RiOrius

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,081
What happens if the House refuses to seat a representative? Is there a special election where that rep is just reelected by the same Trumpers who voted them in in the first place? Does the state legislature appoint a new rep and/or get a chance to reaffirm the rejected rep? Like, what would be the possible and likely outcomes (granted that even refusing in the first place is not at all likely)?

And what does it take? Just a majority in the House? 60%? 2/3rds?
 

Mandos

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Nov 27, 2017
30,944
What happens if the House refuses to seat a representative? Is there a special election where that rep is just reelected by the same Trumpers who voted them in in the first place? Does the state legislature appoint a new rep and/or get a chance to reaffirm the rejected rep? Like, what would be the possible and likely outcomes (granted that even refusing in the first place is not at all likely)?

And what does it take? Just a majority in the House? 60%? 2/3rds?
Requires 2/3 of each house to reinstate, checking what it takes to remove because that's more vague. He's invoking section 3 to be specific, but it doesn't have any explicit requirements other than proving the behavior(which historically was being a governering member of the confederacy)

Edit: if the SCOTUS were to say the Texas lawsuit was treason/an affront to democracy/an attack on voters/the constitution I think that's all it takes as long as you can get the backing of the speaker of the house, and probably a majority to enforce it(both which the Dems have).
 
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Version 3.0

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,181
Seems fair. If you say the election is not legitimate, then you were not elected to your seat. The simplest possible logic. Too bad it means nothing to these idiots. They don't care about logic or facts.
 

McScroggz

The Fallen
Jan 11, 2018
5,973
I know it won't happen, but it should happen. The Republican Party is a cancer and the insidious propaganda machines of Fox News and other "Conservative" media is poisoning the well so bad that somewhat they make the Democrats to be the monolithic, horrible political institution that will ruin this country when the Republican Party is doing potentially irreparable damage to the fundamental principles of our democracy and law and order. Like take more general political opinions aside, that alone is absolutely disqualifying. And if Republicans are willing to go THIS far for Donald Fucking Trump without repudiation I will have no hope for this country to be honest.
 

sonicmj1

Member
Oct 25, 2017
680
Doesn't this just require the speaker and a house majority which the Dems currently have? And heck the replacement goes to states so it can't be claimed as a power grab either

not saying it's going to happen of course
Only if there's a valid basis for the exclusion. The case that Pascrell cites in his public statement says as much. And there isn't one here.

As loathsome, antidemocratic, and corrosive as Texas's lawsuit is, and the people signing on in support of it are, it is not a rebellion or insurrection against the United States. It is a stupid and doomed request to a legitimate US institution filed according to the rules of that institution. Excluding duly elected representatives based on it would be guaranteed to be reversed by the Supreme Court, just as Texas's lawsuit is guaranteed to fail.

Because it would fail, it would not show that there are consequences for the actions being taken. But it would fuel the escalation of attacks against the boundaries of our institutions. If that's what you want, there are faster ways to get there.
 

Late Flag

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Banned
Oct 27, 2017
396
He's not wrong. Everyone who signed that amicus brief should be shunned and unemployed for the rest of their lives. Totally unacceptable and indefensible.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,215
Only if there's a valid basis for the exclusion. The case that Pascrell cites in his public statement says as much. And there isn't one here.

As loathsome, antidemocratic, and corrosive as Texas's lawsuit is, and the people signing on in support of it are, it is not a rebellion or insurrection against the United States. It is a stupid and doomed request to a legitimate US institution filed according to the rules of that institution. Excluding duly elected representatives based on it would be guaranteed to be reversed by the Supreme Court, just as Texas's lawsuit is guaranteed to fail.

Because it would fail, it would not show that there are consequences for the actions being taken. But it would fuel the escalation of attacks against the boundaries of our institutions. If that's what you want, there are faster ways to get there.

I'll bite. Let's go, what's the fast way to get this over with.
 

sonicmj1

Member
Oct 25, 2017
680
I'll bite. Let's go, what's the fast way to get this over with.
What I meant by that is that if people want revolution because they don't believe that necessary change is possible within our existing democratic institutions, then they should be thinking about revolution and not about stunts like this.

On the other hand, if people want to resolve this within the political system, then they should be thinking about things the system can actually do, and not about stunts like this that erode the legitimacy of that system.
 

madstarr12

Member
Jan 25, 2018
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It would be interesting to see their arguments regarding their own seats. It can't be that only the presidential races had fraud, while down ballot races didn't.
 

qaopjlll

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,788
The text of 14th Amendment makes it abundantly clear that Pelosi absolutely SHOULD do this if she actually cares about upholding the constitution... but she's spineless so she won't.
 

echoshifting

very salt heavy
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
14,722
The Negative Zone
I hate that we're all saying that it won't happen even though we know it should

Maybe instead we should call our representatives and demand their support
 

Alpheus

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,655
Won't happen cuz the media will break out their old favorite game "Dems why are you being so mean?"