Bill Gates : People May Reject COVID-19 Vaccine

[XMonkey]

Correction: That's how creating a vaccine normally works under a competent, less corrupt administration. You don't think if Russia creates a fake vaccine with fake data backing it up, Trump won't pressure the FDA into issuing an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to allow it to save lives now? Again, he already got people killed by pressuring the FDA into issuing an EUA for hydroxychloroquine.

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EUA approvals for potential treatments in a pandemic are very different from the approval process for a general public vaccine (even in a pandemic). What you've described regarding Russia is nonsensical.

As to your other HCQ references about it doing more harm, which data are you referring to? Because if it's the study I'm thinking you're talking about then it's not a good one to reference:

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Surgisphere and Their Data (Updated) | In the Pipeline

Update, and this one needs to be at the top of the page. As you will see from the additions to this post, the entire Surgisphere story has collapsed. None of their papers can now be regarded as valid – vide infra. So we have a very strange situation with some recent publications, one that

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After numerous trials we've now found that it just doesn't have much of an effect either way for covid, and so now it's not being used.

You or I likely won't be administered a vaccine during a Trump administration anyways, so this seems all a bit pointless really.

 

[Squarehard]

"May"? More like, will.

 

[Parcas]

By people, he means the united states? I mean the rest of the world is full on with it.

 

[Trankz]

I'll get it as soon as it is available to the public. I just want to able to go to concerts, sports games, and bars without worrying about catching covid and spreading it to the people around me

 

[bxsonic]

I hope every country makes it mandatory for people to take the vaccine before they can travel.

With that said, I personally would wait a bit before giving the vaccine to my whole family to make sure it is both effective and safe. Will gladly stay at home and take necessary precautions for a few more months.

 

[Senator Toadstool]

at the rate we're going these people who won't take it will have already gotten it.

 

[Senator Toadstool]

By people, he means the united states? I mean the rest of the world is full on with it.

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Um Andrew Wakefield is british

this "the rest of the world is smart, only america has these problems" stuff is very dumb.

Russia? Brazil? Pakistan (where the US undermined trust with fake poli vaccines to catch bin laden)? India? There's a strong anti-vax movement in The UK and France I believe, etc, etc.

 

[Fiction]

I'm likely going to have to wait; usually first made vaccines are 'live virus' versions that I can't take.

Yay.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

I don't give a fuck about people that would reject it.

I do feel bad about people that can't take it and depend on others doing so,.

 

[DarkChronic]

I'm gonna be camping outside my docs office at midnight like I'm in line for ps5 lol

 

[Senator Toadstool]

I'm likely going to have to wait; usually first made vaccines are 'live virus' versions that I can't take.

Yay.

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There's a lot of unique and new vaccines types they're trying with this so you might not have to wait!

 

[TheGhost]

All jokes about idiots aside.....

I don't know how quickly I'll line up to get it. I want proof that this shit won't fuck me up somehow.

I need it to be as harmless as my yearly flu shot basically

 

[Pwnz]

Last I checked, the Oxford vaccine is targeting mass production in September, pending the outcome of ongoing human trials. I haven't heard anything to suggest said trials are going poorly, so yeah. Trump may get his vaccine (after most of Europe, who already has a place in the queue).

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You'd need a vaccine for the majority of people every 1.5 months. Even under the most optimistic scenarios we aren't looking at mass immunity until early 2021.

 

[Erimriv]

I won't reject any, I'll get one as soon as it is available, but Im from Europe so maybe we'll have to wait a bit longer to get any of the ones developed here.

 

[Fiction]

There's a lot of unique and new vaccines types they're trying with this so you might not have to wait!

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That's good then, crossing my fingers

 

[Chiaroscuro]

Fauci says Covid-19 vaccine may not get US to herd immunity if too many people refuse to get it | CNN

Dr. Anthony Fauci says he would "settle" for a Covid-19 vaccine that's 70% to 75% effective, but that this incomplete protection, coupled with the fact that many Americans say they won't get a coronavirus vaccine, makes it "unlikely" that the US will achieve sufficient levels of immunity to...

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Fauci talks about he expects the new vaccine to be 70-75% effective considering how fast it need to be researched. Most of the population need to take it for herd immunity to be achieved.

 

[Angelus Errare]

A rushed vaccine would be terriffying, I'll definitely wait. Rushing it screams "pandemic profit" to me, I trust science, but I don't trust Trump's administration or the scientists/corporations they'd put on this.

 

[Rendering...]

If enough people reject it just because it's a vaccine, we'll know it's time to organize a series of dipshit conventions for people to bond over their shared disregard for human life. That should thin the herd.

 

[El Bombastico]

In that case, it's time to organize a series of dipshit conventions for people to bond over their shared disregard for human life. That should thin the herd.

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We already have those. They're called Trump Rallies.

 

[RoKKeR]

Oh they will. People can't even accept masks.

 

[Deleted member 24097]

Survival of the fittest.

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I know it's tempting to say that, but if you think about it, it is in fact an insult to those who, for whatever reason, are unable to take the vaccine.

Be it a pre-existing medical condition, an allergy, an incompatibility with other medications, or simply stupid parenting, there are people who simply are not in a situation where they can get the vaccine despite the fact they would otherwise have wanted to.

Anti-vaxxers don't put only themselves in harm's way, they drag along a whole lot of others. The larger their numbers, the weaker herd immunity becomes, and the more people get involuntarily exposed due to the selfishness and stupidity of these morons.
They are a real problem, not only for themselves, but for society as a whole.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

They'll drink bleach but not take a vaccine???

Jim Jones...

 

[Chikor]

I'm gonna be camping outside my docs office at midnight like I'm in line for ps5 lol

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Seriously.
I mean I'm they'll roll it out to old an vulnerable people first (well, rich people first, but after that), but once it's available to the general public, I'm getting it as soon as I can.
I'm not only protecting myself with that, I'm protecting others.

 

[fr0st]

What sucks is you know Trump will get a vaccine first but will doing everything in his power to deny people from getting it

 

[Deleted member 6949]

All you have to do is spread a rumor on social apps that Bill Gates is using his 5g innernet to make the earth round with Covid-19 or whatever and now people won't take the vaccine. This is why billionaires were a bad idea.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Fairly obvious that.

 

[The BLJ]

I'm the only person I know who plans to get vaccinated.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

It's okay, you can call it natural selection. Children are generally not harmed by COVID so if these morons who are supposed to be grown adults want to act like children and spit in the face of their own health, let them. It's no skin off anyone else's nose, I just feel sorry for the medical staff who have to deal with the consequences.

 

[Senator Toadstool]

Seriously.
I mean I'm they'll roll it out to old an vulnerable people first (well, rich people first, but after that), but once it's available to the general public, I'm getting it as soon as I can.
I'm not only protecting myself with that, I'm protecting others.

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If it comes out before next may I'm hoping as a student at a major university with a large hospital system I'm hoping they give it to us early since we could be a major vector to silently spread it

 

[Nothing Loud]

I'm definitely in the camp that would wait for assurances.

This administration blows and has already suggested fake cures.

Countries love to rush cures at dire times like this.

I have no faith that we have a Frances Kelsey at the FDA to stop any Thalidomide attempts this time around.



Not same, thalidomide was used in other countries and the US was one of the few to not use it and we avoided a disaster. Just because other countries have better administrations doesn't mean they aren't prone to rushing out cures to get this over with.

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This US administration has very little relationship with when a safe vaccine will exist in the world. Scientists in companies and government labs GLOBALLY are publishing COVID research and running clinical trials. Scientists are very capable of developing a treatment with or without Trump's goonies acting up. People are really misinformed on how vaccine development works...

Trump is not running the government on that level and a lot of it is in the private sector.
A lot of things are fucked up right now, but I don't believe the medical trial system had collapsed. We are still capable of developing reasonably safe medicine.
When a vaccine is ready and available you, me, everyone should get one. When in doubt, talk to your doctor but let's not go anti vaxxers on this.
We need to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible.

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just goes to show you even Era is susceptible to science ignorance-induced panic

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Good news is we don't need to vaccinate everyone to return to a normalcy, herd immunity from people who have had it plus even 30% vaccination would do a lot.

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The problem is, Fauci said today in an interview most of the vaccines on the way will be like 70% effective at best. So 30-40% of the country opting out from that, or unable to get it, won't get us to herd immunity. We would need a more effective vaccine which could take years, or people will need to get the vaccine in order to go to work or something.

 

[Ashhong]

their prerogative I guess. I'll be (hopefully) safe and vaccinated.

 

[chandoog]

Oh, I am 100% sure there will be a sizable number of people who will decline the vaccine and use all sorts of excuses from 5G to government mind control to the classic 'it will cause autism' excuse. Unfortunately they will be a very loud minority while sensible people will quietly get themselves vaccinated.

I'll be getting it ASAP for myself and my family as soon as vaccines are readily available.

 

[Sunster]

Good news is we don't need to vaccinate everyone to return to a normalcy, herd immunity from people who have had it plus even 30% vaccination would do a lot.

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Scientists do not yet know if people who have had it are safe from getting it again. There is no evidence of that being the case yet.

 

[MrCunningham]

I put myself into the opt-out program on a vaccine. This covid thing is a fucking joke on a worldwide scale. A hoax put on by the WHO. I haven't bothered with wearing a mask (they do nothing), the 2 meter distancing is pointless.

 

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Scientists do not yet know if people who have had it are safe from getting it again. There is no evidence of that being the case yet.

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While true, there also hasn't even been a single confirmed case of re-infection.

 

[BronzeWolf]

There are more than 70 vaccines in the pipelines worldwide...

If a US federal government vaccine is put through first, I'd wait to see data on it's effectiveness and safety before taking it. It'd take a double blind controlled peer-reviewed study for me to do it, but that's because I'm a low risk population.

So I WILL take a COV-2 vaccine, but Idk if it will be the US government one.

I put myself into the opt-out program on a vaccine. This covid thing is a fucking joke on a worldwide scale. A hoax put on by the WHO. I haven't bothered with wearing a mask (they do nothing), the 2 meter distancing is pointless.

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Can we get you to volunteer in a COVID-19 hospital?

Scientists do not yet know if people who have had it are safe from getting it again. There is no evidence of that being the case yet.

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This is a terrible over-simplification of the evidence. Evidence has been mounting towards the human immune system having the typical virus response where the body is able to maintain specific antibodies for up to 3 months, and there's no reason to think even if your antibody count drops, you are not able to generate more antiviruses IF you are exposed to a similar COV-2 strain.

While there have been some cases SUSPECTED of double COVID-19 infection, they are low and could be attributed to immunocompromised, false positives/negatives, human error or random variation.

The problem is, Fauci said today in an interview most of the vaccines on the way will be like 70% effective at best. So 30-40% of the country opting out from that, or unable to get it, won't get us to herd immunity. We would need a more effective vaccine which could take years, or people will need to get the vaccine in order to go to work or something.

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Luckily for us, that's 50% of total population inoculated. I do expect a 2.0 version of the vaccine to be much more highly effective, considering the proof-read mechanism the virus has presented that slow it's mutation rate down.

 

[Zelda]

I'm down to get vaccinated, but I'm also hesitant to be the first one in line lol. I'd rather be cautious and see how others react to it.

 

[El Bombastico]

I'm down to get vaccinated, but I'm also hesitant to be the first one in line lol. I'd rather be cautious and see how others react to it.

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If there's a problem, I doubt its something that's gonna be obvious until weeks, possibly months later...

 

[Zelda]

If there's a problem, I doubt its something that's gonna be obvious until weeks, possibly months later...

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Weeks / months are fine by me. I'll keep wearing my mask and maintaining my distance.

 

[No_Face]

It's okay, you can call it natural selection. Children are generally not harmed by COVID so if these morons who are supposed to be grown adults want to act like children and spit in the face of their own health, let them. It's no skin off anyone else's nose, I just feel sorry for the medical staff who have to deal with the consequences.

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A lot of people can't vaccinate due to health reasons. These people are also the most vulnerable in case of infection. So no, it's not okay to call it natural selection. People need to realize that vaccinations are not just a personal decision, but have ramifications on society at large.

I put myself into the opt-out program on a vaccine. This covid thing is a fucking joke on a worldwide scale. A hoax put on by the WHO. I haven't bothered with wearing a mask (they do nothing), the 2 meter distancing is pointless.

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Interesting. What research do you have to back this up? I'd love to have a look at your papers, given such strong convictions. You seem to know more than the global scientific community, thousands upon thousands of highly trained specialists who spend their entire lifes researching these very questions you seem to be so sure about.

 

[Falore]

I dont mind if people wait to agree to take it till they are reasonably sure it is safe to take.. however if there are any anti-vaxxer types that refuse to take it no matter what I hope we have law enforcement on standby ready to throw them in prison.

 

[Garfield]

If you are fit and under 45 there is no need to be vaccinated. Really that is the cruel ness of this vaccine as it pits generations against each other and exposes society and lets you see which countries see the elderly and sick as important

 

[Deleted member 2328]

If you are fit and under 45 there is no need to be vaccinated. Really that is the cruel ness of this vaccine as it pits generations against each other and exposes society and lets you see which countries see the elderly and sick as important

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Again, vaccination is not just about preventing the risk to oneself but to avoid transmission to others who can't be vaccinated and other people at greater risk. Group immunity. Read. Get informed.

 

[Garfield]

Again, vaccination is not just about preventing the risk to oneself but to avoid transmission to others who can't be vaccinated and other people at greater risk. Group immunity. Read. Get informed.

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I did and I do understand hence why I said this virus highlights which countries care about those sick and elderly.

 

[iapetus]

This legit has me cracking up xD

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Really unconvincing - the numbers add up to 100%. A Trump vaccine would be 130% at least.

 

[XMonkey]

The problem is, Fauci said today in an interview most of the vaccines on the way will be like 70% effective at best. So 30-40% of the country opting out from that, or unable to get it, won't get us to herd immunity. We would need a more effective vaccine which could take years, or people will need to get the vaccine in order to go to work or something.

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He didn't say it would be 70% at best. He said if it was 70% effective he would "settle" for that, meaning it would still be worth using (he's right). No one knows how effective they'll be yet.

Scientists do not yet know if people who have had it are safe from getting it again. There is no evidence of that being the case yet.

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The more extraordinary claim is that we won't develop some level of protection against it. So that shouldn't be the default stance. There is currently no good evidence of reinfection.

 

[Osahi]

European here. I'll be first in line. (I'm considered a risk patient)

 

[Azerare]

How long out till they start staggering roll outs. The US as a whole refused to abide by masks & social distancing, so of course there will be hurdles for getting people to take it. Hopefully with several places are re-tightening restrictions it'll show folks to take guidelines seriously... but we can dream

 

[XMonkey]

How long out till they start staggering roll outs. The US as a whole refused to abide by masks & social distancing, so of course there will be hurdles for getting people to take it. Hopefully with several places are re-tightening restrictions it'll show folks to take guidelines seriously... but we can dream

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Mask use here can vary a lot depending on where you are. Some areas are quite good and some not and political affiliation unfortunately plays a big part in that. But I would not say the "US as a whole refused to abide by masks", unless you think all of us share Trump's views or something.

About two-thirds of U.S. adults say they regularly wear a mask; fewer than half say most in their area do this

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