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Bill Burr on white women (his SNL monologue)
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July would be good I think for that reason (since queer black people were pivotal to the American LGBT movement), though those pride marches will get hot and sweaty in some states, lol.
"Fucking Rocky is your hero. You got fucking Joe Frasier who's from there...but he's black, so you can't deal with him. So you make a fucking statue for some 3 foot Italian."
Bill will forever be invited to the cook out in my eyes. Fucking amazing.
Couldn't be prouder of a comment, and you summarized my opinions as a Black man. Lots of eye rolling from both people on Twitter and ERA in general with issues of race. Or any issue involving intersection, God willing.
I thought the monologue was hilarious. The only thing that bothers me about Burr is something very minute. He has ranted about overpopulation and then he became a dad himself. It doesn't turn me away from him but it puts him a step below Doug Stanhope and Bill Hicks as favorites of mine.
Heh, I THINK you're being sarcastic. : P
I still would see him do stand-up, I am not completely turned off but yeah for that alone I do like Stanhope a little better. I did watch Stanhope's latest special that he put on Amazon Prime (hated that he put it on there but whatever) but I didn't think it was that funny as he has been in the past.
It was kind of "old man yells at cloud" more than anything. I guess with Stanhope, I expect him to be as dark as possible. No one, not even Bill Hicks, ever did a routine on helping their mother kill herself. That to me you have to be a special person to appreciate.
My favorite insult is still from this will always be, "You one bridge having piece of shit city!"
Calling out white women for their hand in white supremacy, isn't punching down.
But good try though.
A white dude doing it kind of is. I am a white dude, and I don't feel any more comfortable calling out women for their hand in the oppression of other minorities than I would calling out black people for the same, or gay people for the same, or what have you. It's just not my place.
Intersectionality is complex as hell, and the way Burr handled it - by punching down onto women during a comedy act - was inappropriate in my opinion.
He punched towards white men, for one thing. Second, white women are the butt of the joke in service of non-whites with that specific part of the monologue, and by noting that white women will put themselves before other minorities and have also participated in colonialism and white supremacy, he is making a basic remark on- you guessed it- intersectionality, the idea that you can be privileged in some ways and oppressed in others. The joke itself is ultimately punching up. I can understand most well-meaning white dudes not having the daring-do to make that joke, but when it came down to it, he didn't miss.
Punching down on women or white women. While I can see the point of punching down, the biggest issue is by the nature of the problem who can speak to them? Not POC, particularly female ones. Their oppression of them is how this is an issue in the first place. I thought he brought it home when he said, 'sit down next to us (white males) and listen'. Oppressors talking to oppressors.
Ultimately the problem with white feminism is just the same old oppression with a defensive slant. Because they muddy the waters with the larger feminism movement where they expect that the assumption of their intersectionality is unquestioned ("I fight for all women"), ignoring that the specific goal of white feminism is to open up the gender equality doors just wide enough for just them to slip in and slam it closed behind em.
There's no shortage of comedy sets or public statements Burr has made to shit on him and reveal him being an asshole and punching down; this one really isn't it.
This is not it. It's some caricature of intersectionality that's taken hold in parts of the public psyche. I know you're trying to come at this with good intentions, but no-one who was responsible for developing this form of social analysis and critique was thinking "the goal here is to make it so in order to comment on anything you have to have your spot in the strata verified first, and that will make things better." It reminds me of during the primary campaign when I saw something like "the future is intersectional" (personally I hope that in the future there are less overlapping sources of oppression and exploitation).
Understanding the various privileges and disadvantages people face and taking them into account when assessing their speech and actions is absolutely important (for example, white women shouldn't be dominating the paid racial sensitivity training industry). Going "man > woman, therefore point inappropriate" is reductive and counter-productive. As is conceiving of all commentary as the speaker "calling out" another individual/group. Social analysis isn't (or shouldn't be) a game of personal one-upmanship. Don't confuse the personal being political with the political being purely personal.
It hasn't. But people love to fall on their swords for their snow queens.
There is a pocket of Twitter that argued Karen was no different from the N-word
Of course, very small minority of nutcases but still... It's sad...
He ended the bit by asking white women to sit down next to him and listen, the implication being that neither white women nor white men are listening to women of color. He wasn't "punching down," he was punching laterally.
We had some members here try to argue that using the word karen was sexist. That was a PoS thread but damn do I remember that.
61 days of pride and self-love sounds quite lovely.
I get those who don't want it outside of the school year but I feel like Leeloo Dallas at the end of the 5th Element. Look what they do with it. Immigrants and Workers. Clearly hasn't helped.
I get those who don't want it outside of the school year but I feel like Leeloo Dallas at the end of the 5th Element. Look what they do with it. Immigrants and Workers. Clearly hasn't helped.
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I love how Morrigan just comes in and talks about an off topic Mark Ruffalo tweet and makes a snipe remark about a comment in her usual toxic tone, well played Miss.
Gotta love Bill, and don't take this too seriously guys, he's a fucking comedian
Still makes a solid point tho
Still makes a solid point tho
Glad Bill is putting a spotlight on this fucking nonsense. The white girls doing staged Instagram photoshoots during the BLM protests was some wild shit.
Funny as fuck stand up bit, glad he went for it.
Funny as fuck stand up bit, glad he went for it.
The only part of the set that I thought people would reasonably find at all controversial was the bit about gays not being oppressed enough to deserve more days than black history month (it's a joke, folks), but beyond that, it was a pretty spot on message, if less funny than his usual material. Finding out that people got in their feelings because he made a salient point about the various levels of privilege between white women and people and women of color while not letting white men off the hook makes me sad for people's conversational literacy
Well that's unfortunate. Didn't watch the whole set, now I know I don't need to.
Damn. That part about "non-consensual" is fucking rock solid. It's absolutely true.
I mean, this is all just history and we should know it but it's striking the number who don't, or do but don't accept the direct implication of it.
I mean, this is all just history and we should know it but it's striking the number who don't, or do but don't accept the direct implication of it.
See you don't get to do this
You don't get to give him credit for spot on messaging on one part and then handwave his messaging on LGBT people as just a joke
Like that's absurd.