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Bill Burr on white women (his SNL monologue)
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He recovered quick, and now I want BHM moved to July next year. It's the least this country can do. Give me 31 days, you fucking assholes.
Not a fan of Bill Burr, and his bit about cancelling was dumb as always.
But he's 100% right on his points about white women. This shouldn't be controversial.
But he's 100% right on his points about white women. This shouldn't be controversial.
I remember when white women profited off of 'racial sensitivity training' in the workplace during the protests
I know it's SNL but I almost feel he kept this bit really tame. There was definitely some truths in it though even if it didn't have me laughing.
Imagine him doing this bit with that Philly massacre energy.
Imagine him doing this bit with that Philly massacre energy.
It's kind of clever that he as a white man can say these basic hot takes that I hear all day from BAME folks and nothing will happen to him, but if one of us said it to a mainstream audience, then it's curtains on our lives. Now give June and July to BAME LGBT folks!
gay pride June, black history July. Someone should campaign on those ideas....i'de vote for them
That tweet aged poorly it was stupid and wrong the very second it was made
Who are you talking to?
You'll hopefully forgive my ignorance, but why the move to summer? I'd honestly think April or May would be better. I say this because Pride falling in the summer actually has the negative quality of LGBTQ history not ending up as much a part of school curriculum as a result like Black History Month can be in some jurisdictions, but I agree that February is not a great month for outdoor rallies and events in most of the country.
So I feel like I'm missing something here and I apologize, but I feel like I need an explanation and Google was not helpful to me in this instance.
The fact that so many even on this forum, in other threads, have been falling over themselves with "women are going to save us" now that they think white women are going to vote for Biden has been telling. White women get to come being propped up as white saviors and have articles written about them while POC women have already been there suffering through the bullshit.
When Nia shows up on the podcast it's the best shit ever. Her doing an impression of his Boston accent and crazy mannerisms is fucking hilarious.
I mean, that happens everytime even when white women vote R because that's the bubble like 80% of writers are in and they just look at the top line crosstab and call it a day.
Pretty tame calling out of Karen behaviour and white women trying to co-opt BLM.
Always happy to hear ol' Billy Sunshine call some people out. He and the lovely Nia are good people.
There was about a week after that white woman called the cops & accused the black man of assaulting her where people remembered white women's historic and ongoing role in white supremacy
then everyone forgot again
You're already running PR for white women before they have even left trump; completely absolving them for putting him there in the first place!
really... stop that
exactly
then everyone forgot again
You're already running PR for white women before they have even left trump; completely absolving them for putting him there in the first place!
really... stop that
exactly
I mean, let's not mince words, the reason white women are going for Biden in droves is self-interest. Trump is just so anti-women, the racism and bigotry they agree with don't look as tempting. They aren't saving anyone but themselves.
Can I get a recommendation of which episode to listen to for that? Haha
100% wasn't my intention, but your right. I was going for a glass houses thing but didn't land it at all.
It's also likely Covid response as well, same reason old people are breaking for Biden. Once Mitt Romney 2.0 is the candidate it'll snap back.
I'm genuinely sorry if my previous post came across like I was pearl clutching. The underlying issue he was speaking to is absolutely something that needs to be addressed, even by white men, and I should've been more careful in my phrasing. I guess I've just noticed a trend in certain spaces where white men swoop in and go "lol white women amirite?" and pat each other on the back, as if they get a free pass to feel self-righteous and engage in jokes/statements with misogynist undercurrents, because it's directed at white women. I just think white dudes should step carefully given our long history of using every opportunity to pit people against one another as we destroy the world. But that's not a suggestion that white folks of all types don't need to call each other out over bad behavior.
It wasn't as cutting and funny as his standup but it was still pretty hilarious, moreso the shock factor of him doing these bits in front of an SNL audience was what I loved. I wonder if he'll be invited back, I hope he is. The skits weren't great but just hearing his whiny scream in anything is always funny.
especially since Burr admitted white men's crimes against humanity...
I see you, and I appreciate you.
Can't watch the monologue, but I've never found him funny. Old fashioned rant comedy that's a bit more self-aware and self-effacing than is typical of his ilk, but which still feels hacky and played out.
I think she might do it here but it's been awhile since I heard this. Glad I found this online since this is one of my favorite clips from the podcast. Nia and Bill talk about how she almost got into a fight in times square. My wife had never heard Nia on before and she instantly became a fan of them as a couple.
You gotta wonder if Bill was expecting the audience to pull back as much. You got the vibe he was mocking the firing squad while standing in front of it.
The part about white women was on the mark but pretty tame. The part about cancel culture was woeful.
I don't see much to celebrate here. Overall, the monologue wasn't very funny. He has much better material.
I don't see much to celebrate here. Overall, the monologue wasn't very funny. He has much better material.
And the problem with spaces like these is the hair-trigger response to any perceived slight - so much so you missed the part where Bill owned up to 'White men's crimes against humanity'. But such is the pathological need for righteous indignation.
Honestly, it still kinda is. Most of what he says aren't really "jokes" unless you think insulting someone you don't like if funny. Sure, if you hate someone enough, any kind of insulting rant will be "funny", but it doesn't really make for a proper joke. If a joke requires you to hate someone to "get it", then it's not a good joke or brand of humor. I've never liked Bill Burr or his shtick.
The main problem with this particular rant is that it's extremely reductive to the point of being insulting -- that is the point -- and relies on misrepresentation, stereotypes, and the whole "someone has it worse than you" fallacy. It very much has the air of "White women need to stop complaining about misogyny; you're all just rich racists chicks with expensive shoes and SUVs; you have nothing to complain about!" If you're a "white woman" that doesn't have the privilege of a nice, upper-middle class suburban life, or the privilege of a never having experienced discrimination or misogyny, of course you're going to be pissed by that monologue.
Somewhere there's a white woman absolute disgusted at some Proud Boys talking racist shit on the news right now, while talking to her friend on the phone about how she doesn't want to send her kid to a school that's not too asian because she feels he can't compete, and not too black because she doesn't want him to join a gang.
Notice his joke is anchored by the 'stepping your shoes in front of others'. The issue isn't that misogyny, etc is a not problem. Ask a black woman!
its the fact that they have absolutely no problem throwing other those issues to the side. They are an utter intersectionality fail, leaving other women of color to do the double work of fighting racism and misogyny. They continually chose race over gender when it comes to issues affecting both, on top of doing a shitty job of opening doors for non-white women behind them while being the traditionally the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action
Obviously this line is getting quoted for a bunch of reasons but I just want to point out that we're talking about potentially 10% or so of the votes of these demographics either flipping or not flipping.
OK, then yeah, I would definitely caution against the notion of moving Black History Month into the summer months where they're outside of the school year and forgotten about in curriculum entirely. There's already a deficit of understanding about black history and I'd not want to make that any worse than it already is as it often is with LGBTQ history that mostly consists of "and Stonewall happened".
But maybe February is the worst possible month for it, yes.
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Yeah, and they'll flip back in 2-4 years. I'll take the L on this one, I was not going for "white women are ok in my book" but yeah, it is what it is.
White women who have faced discrimination will never have to deal with being non-white on top of it. Indeed, white women who have outright fought for feminism, suffrage, equal wages, the existence of rape culture and other fights in the front of misogyny have nonetheless engaged in and advocated for the very same fucking white supremacy that drives white men to put boots to necks.
The part about "swinging their Gucci-booted feet over the fence of oppression and jumping to the front of the line" is also part of the point. Sure, Bill is being reductive with the mock whining and not every white woman is comfortably middle class, but the salient take-away- the part that everyone should actually remember and learn from- should be that white women have more leverage than non-whites do to advocate against their oppression, and they don't always repay the attention back in kind to other groups. On top of it, this hijacking behavior completely underscores white womens' hands in white supremacy, which is the fact that y'all stood by and watched black and brown folks suffer untold horrors, not because you were victims, but because you believed the same fucking things your husbands did.
To literally all of the white women- rich or poor, straight or non-straight, cis or trans, able-bodied or disabled- who got offended by his callout and shut down: you aren't much different from white men who get mad at the mere concept of white privilege. See you the next time you call the police on one of us.