You realize that it was mostly true six years ago. I know that nintendo is like 10 years behind for most stuff but damn.
Well it's okay tho.
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Biggest third-party slap to Nintendo
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You realize that it was mostly true six years ago. I know that nintendo is like 10 years behind for most stuff but damn.
Well it's okay tho.
I understand. Fair enough. It would probably have done better being a time exclusive on Wii U, yes, even though pretty few third parties had success on the system (for example, Zombi U was an exclusive launch title and it didn't do well). Ubi probably thought Wii U was too risky at that point, though.
At least the online perception was that it pretty much finished off the Gamecube. RE 4 was a killer app for the Gamecube.
The hope amongst Nintendo fans was that between Prime 2/RE 4/Twilight Princess and the cheap price of the system that you'd get Playstation owners picking up the Gamecube as a second system and it'd end up ahead of XBox
I believe, even if everyone who bought RE4 on PS2 that gen had instead ended up buying a GameCube, it would still be below the Xbox by just a tiny bit.
It really wasn't. It's a forced narrative that FF7 releasing on the PS on its own had any significant impact on the relationship. That's essentially calling the game's producer a liar, because to this day he maintains Nintendo had no problem with FF7's platform change.
It went like this: Nintendo for a number of reasons opted to go for cartridges and SGI technology for the N64, neither of which were convenient for the FF7 Square wanted to make, so Nintendo wished them good luck, as a single game wasn't enough to change their plans. Afterwards Square's then-president went out of his way to convince other third-parties to move their flagship titles to the PS as well, which is what pissed Yamauchi so much. Now that was a slap.
FFVII. What was bad for Nintendo was good for me though, since it meant we finally started getting Final Fantasy games in the UK.
To be fair, there was a good amount of interest in ZU up until the reviews came out prior to launch and it got panned... HARD. Like lots of 6s and 7s that turned buyers away.
Square jumping to Sony was the only one that really mattered. They lost third party support during the fifth generation and never really got it back for decades. The Switch, Gamecube, and Wii all had decent support, but nothing will ever top the SNES support.
What does that have to do with 3rd party exclusives? You don't even know what your argument is anymore. This whole line of replies started with you making some nonsense response to my post that Rayman fucked over Ubisoft more than Nintendo and that it being a Wii U exclusive to start wasn't the issue, the date it was delayed to was
The entire Rayman thing was one of the worst business decisions ive seen in the gaming sphere in the last 15 years (excluding the Wii U itself).
Game would have sold significantly better (at full price to boot) if it would have just launched when it was initially supposed to. Nintendo gave Ubi a LOT of free marketing since it was constantly featured in switch promos, and fans were very excited for it, at a time when there was nothing new for the system.
As it turned out, it ended up bombing on all three (due to the delay killing all hype and interest, PS3/360 demo wasn't really super excited for this type of game, and the retarded new release date).
Of course there is no way to "prove" it would have sold more if it would have launched when it was supposed to, but its hard for me to believe it would have sold worse.
They should have just said F Microsoft, released it when they were supposed to, then released a PS3 port before black Friday (but not on the same day as Pikmin3, and a week before GTA).
I didn't say anything about a slap though? I was just saying which of the things in the poll had the biggest impact
Well, maybe. But I wonder how these reviews really affect people. A recent example is Days Gone, which reviewed so-so and still did very well. (And it should be said that the final game was far from what Ubisoft's trailer promised at E3. I have a weak spot for Zombi U, though.)
Square jumping ship with Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX, and Tactics, among other games. That was a major factor in killing off the N64.
I would say the capcom 5. The Square thing was mostly due to nintendo's fault for making the N64 cartdridge base.
Sony didn't "take" them, Nintendo pushed them away. Nintendo thought third parties wouldn't have a choice and would be forced to come to the N64, but they thought wrong.
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It really is incredible.
What's even funnier is the fans who get outraged on Nintendo's behalf.
all these are good examples, but I think the most annoyed I got was when Strider 2014 and the Castle of Illusion remake skipped the Wii U... when they didn't had any reason to, as Strider was a franchise present since the NES and Mickey games and Nintendo systems are butter and bread.
In a lesser extend, SoulCalibur II HD not happening on Wii U was also a shame; that way we would have Link, Heihachi and Spawn in the same game.
Other than that, I never really had much of an issue having Nintendo systems as my main console.
In a lesser extend, SoulCalibur II HD not happening on Wii U was also a shame; that way we would have Link, Heihachi and Spawn in the same game.
Other than that, I never really had much of an issue having Nintendo systems as my main console.
It's gotta be Rockstar bringing Most of their franchises to Nintendo systems EXCEPT main series GTA games
SquareSoft, of course.
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Final Fantasy 7: An oral history
An inside look at the creation and fallout of Square's industry-defining role-playing game, as told by those who were there.
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We don't know if EA as a whole thought about Nintendo like that, but their studios most likely weren't on board on Wii U.
RE4 has to be the biggest in my book. FFVI was never OFFICIAL for the N64. Capcom swore up and down that RE4 would remain a GC exclusive. It lead to Mikami's departure from the company, plus I know many people who didn't buy a GameCube because of the announcement. And the added content, widescreen support, and the graphics that were at least passable when compared to the GC version gave the more Nintendo-critical gaming press plenty of ammunition in the then still-raging console wars.
James Mielke (1up.com) - "RE4 for the PS2 is the Definitive Version of one of gaming's greatest titles."
OPM - "RE4 for PS2 kicks the Cube version right in Las Plagas."
James Mielke (1up.com) - "RE4 for the PS2 is the Definitive Version of one of gaming's greatest titles."
OPM - "RE4 for PS2 kicks the Cube version right in Las Plagas."
You're right, those two guys were devastating for Nintendo.
I remember hearing about that, but I thought that was strictly for Wii U. I remember the whole fiasco about EA wanting the Wii U to run Origin or else the system was dead in the water. Have EA said anything about Switch?
This was the era of G4, Tony Hawk, GTA, and Halo. If your game wasn't hip or edgy, you were out to lunch. And Nintendo's marketing tried (badly) but couldn't do anything.
Things are a lot different now. In fact, I'd say in today's PC culture and more social-leaning culture, Nintendo is trying to turn themselves into the preferred entity in the gaming market, especially when it comes to things like microtransactions and DLC.
I voted for FFVII going to the Playstation only because the choice I would consider isn't on the option: Tengen suing Nintendo over the lockout chip. This is because of who Tengen actually was. Tengen was a former atari subsidiary that had been bought by Namco and splintered off into it's own thing. The people running Tengen were considered preferential by Nintendo, when they had been part of Namco, they were one of the launch 3rd party developers and Nintendo could cut them special deals. These deals continued onto Tengen, but Tengen wanted to produce their own carts, so they worked on a way to defeat the 10-NES chip. In the meantime, however, they sued nintendo to stall for time.
This whole deal gets more interesting as the Tetris lawsuit gets rolled into things. It's actually an extremely long but vastly interesting story.
This whole deal gets more interesting as the Tetris lawsuit gets rolled into things. It's actually an extremely long but vastly interesting story.
Yeah, gotta go with FF moving away from Nintendo to Sony. A lot of us grew up with FF games on Nintendo hardware, especially through the 16-bit era, and Square was, for all intents and purposes, synonymous with Nintendo. The change represented a huge shift in the console landscape. We still feel the effects of it today from a major third-party perspective.
Anyone not voting Final Fantasy jumping ship is objectively wrong (and probably didn't live through it).
Edit: Didn't know it wasn't an option in the original poll, you guys are off the hook for now. Not you OP, how could you miss that? :P
Square fucked up sales of FF7 by putting it on PSX rather than N64? :D
Edit: Didn't know it wasn't an option in the original poll, you guys are off the hook for now. Not you OP, how could you miss that? :P
Square fucked up sales of FF7 by putting it on PSX rather than N64? :D
They didn't but honestly their action speak for themselves: Switch is getting a legacy FIFA this year. Best selling console, in its merely third year but a "Legacy" edition. It is obvious that the Sports side of EA still have negative views on Nintendo.
My guess is EA higher ups have no problem with Nintendo but their studios have. We know that DICE and Respawn are not fans of Nintendo and Sports studios pretty much confessed it.
I think the Final Fantasy option muddies things because it's very different in substance than the original options (a publisher switching platforms during a major generation transition for technical reasons vs. publishers releasing seemingly self-sabotaging Nintendo platform exclusives), and because its long term historical impact colors what wasn't really "a slap" otherwise.
The Final Fantasy series pre-VII was pretty big in Japan and a fan favorite for RPG enthusiasts in the West, but it wasn't the system-defining, hardware sales boosting, global AAA blockbuster pillars of the industry that VII turned it into. It's no more a "slap" than any other series that's branched out or released on another company's hardware, it's just more significant because the game itself ended up being so successful that it not only significantly improved the standing of the series, it also raised the standing of the entire genre (that was better suited for PS1 hardware).
The Final Fantasy series pre-VII was pretty big in Japan and a fan favorite for RPG enthusiasts in the West, but it wasn't the system-defining, hardware sales boosting, global AAA blockbuster pillars of the industry that VII turned it into. It's no more a "slap" than any other series that's branched out or released on another company's hardware, it's just more significant because the game itself ended up being so successful that it not only significantly improved the standing of the series, it also raised the standing of the entire genre (that was better suited for PS1 hardware).
I propose that the unprecedented partnership was the biggest slap... that the behind the scenes happenings and goings on between EA and Nintendo ... of which in THEORY they were going to handle all the Online aspects of the Wii U with EA Origin... and enter a big ol partnership. Committed to a ton of games and really TALKED up their online capabilities in 2011 on stage...
Whatever happened behind the scenes (in my mind Nintendo stubbornly decided upon certain hardware specs and EA got pissed and pulled out) absolutely shredded what the Wii U was going to be and they had to reconstruct it's OS and everything for launch (in theory) which is why that thing launched so half baked...
The mass effect ordeal ... and actively making anti Nintendo choices are all just a side effect from that behind the scenes event ... which ended the unprecedented partnership and had Peter Moore actively fight against the already existing projects for Wii U. ( The Mass effect screw over, delaying NFS Most wanted for MONTHS, among other things.) I believe the falling out was more petty than the Sony/phillips thing back in the day... though It may have had less consequences it certainly killed the Wii U before it even made it to the shelves... essentially knocking Nintendo out of favor with gamers and press and public perception for many years..
They're just barely starting to pull themselves out of that pit some 7 years later
Do I believe it's all EA's fault...? no ...Wii U had some very Nintendo issues
Do I believe EA had a lot to do with it? YES
edit: all speculative of course
Whatever happened behind the scenes (in my mind Nintendo stubbornly decided upon certain hardware specs and EA got pissed and pulled out) absolutely shredded what the Wii U was going to be and they had to reconstruct it's OS and everything for launch (in theory) which is why that thing launched so half baked...
The mass effect ordeal ... and actively making anti Nintendo choices are all just a side effect from that behind the scenes event ... which ended the unprecedented partnership and had Peter Moore actively fight against the already existing projects for Wii U. ( The Mass effect screw over, delaying NFS Most wanted for MONTHS, among other things.) I believe the falling out was more petty than the Sony/phillips thing back in the day... though It may have had less consequences it certainly killed the Wii U before it even made it to the shelves... essentially knocking Nintendo out of favor with gamers and press and public perception for many years..
They're just barely starting to pull themselves out of that pit some 7 years later
Do I believe it's all EA's fault...? no ...Wii U had some very Nintendo issues
Do I believe EA had a lot to do with it? YES
edit: all speculative of course
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I think the biggest slap was Sony going alone on Playstation after Nintendo dumped them for Philips.
If Nintendo hadn't slapped Sony, they would have had a viable CD platform, and Square would not have moved.
So my argument is that Nintendo slapped themselves the hardest.
If Nintendo hadn't slapped Sony, they would have had a viable CD platform, and Square would not have moved.
So my argument is that Nintendo slapped themselves the hardest.
This is super funny.SquareSoft, of course.
Final Fantasy 7: An oral history
An inside look at the creation and fallout of Square's industry-defining role-playing game, as told by those who were there.
"We hired you but really you work for Nintendo, get it?"
* a week later*
"So we lied to you"
The interesting part about this is how that's something that Square was looking into since they had so much trouble retrofitting their super ambitious 1st draft of Chrono Trigger into Secret of Mana and were like "fuck this shit, as soon as we can let's dump Nintendo, they'll never go for discs anyway"
I remember the Project Cars thing, especially since in the end the devs were like "who even really wanted it on Wii U anyway?" or something to that effect.
I do feel like the "Unprecedented Partnership" is the biggest screw-you of the lot. Square's decision made sense vis-a-vis where they wanted to go versus where Nintendo was going. The Rayman thing is a non-starter, that game wouldn't have moved the needle anyway. EA's song and dance and then completely screwing over all of their Wii U projects (for instance, Crysis 3 was apparently in a ready-to-port state but EA refused to do it) really just seems like spite, especially them with the balls to go up on stage in January 2017, act like they're big Nintendo fans and that giving them a stripped-down version of FIFA is an event.
I've largely left the vitriol of fanboy days behind me and that one still gets me cheesed off.
No surprise, really. Media bias in favor of Sony was alarming back in the PS2 era. Few would dare to say anything contrary to Sony and third-parties were very sensible to it's influence. Back in the day Sony was seen as an invincible company in the gaming biz. This finally ended when both PS3 and PSP lagged behind their competition. There's still some Sony bias from some media outlet, publishers and devs, but nowhere as alarming as it was in the PS2 days.
