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SFLUFAN

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,411
Alexandria, VA
Honest question with no insincerity intended, but how would unionizing help in times like this? If the company is suffering financially and they need to let people go, would being in a union completely stop that from happening or just draw it out longer? If it gives people more notice then yeah I'm all for it, I just don't see what the advantage is. Again, I don't know anything about them, so I'm completely in the dark. Just read those tweets and reminded me to finally ask about this.

A union would have been able to negotiate severance packages as part of a collective bargaining agreement, but in no way would they be able to stop the terminations.
 

JimD

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Aug 17, 2018
3,503
Honest question with no insincerity intended, but how would unionizing help in times like this? If the company is suffering financially and they need to let people go, would being in a union completely stop that from happening or just draw it out longer? If it gives people more notice then yeah I'm all for it, I just don't see what the advantage is. Again, I don't know anything about them, so I'm completely in the dark. Just read those tweets and reminded me to finally ask about this.

Because there would be collectively bargained standards for how the layoffs would take place. Speaking as someone who's been involved with layoffs without being in a union, I would have LOVED to know that things like amount of severance, assistance with job placement, extended health insurance and amount of warning before layoffs were already in guaranteed in writing. Frequently in these situations all you get is a final check and an escort off the property.

A company who already has commitments to their union has to think in much longer terms and much more cautiously than one with no commitments. In no way does it stop layoffs, but it can make it a lot easier and less scary for the members.
 

FelipeMGM

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Oct 25, 2017
3,012
With each new confirmation, I became more and more bummed. it really sucks to see the GI crew be torn apart like that.

Its time for them to make Game Infarcer a real thing
 
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Fanto

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Oct 25, 2017
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In no way does it stop layoffs, but it can make it a lot easier and less scary for the members.
Yeah, this is the main thing. Had they been unionized, this wouldn't have blindsided the entire staff, they would have known, and there would have been fair agreements in place. It's about treating your employees like people, rather than just causing them to go into panic mode one day and having to say goodbye to longtime colleagues and friends out of no where.
 

ShinobiBk

One Winged Slayer
Member
Dec 28, 2017
10,121
Man the financials at GS must be worse than we thought if they're laying half of GI's staff
No they are just as bad off as we think and that's why many of us were worried about GI's future. GameStop cannot sustain itself much longer and they need to cut costs to stop the bleeding as much as they can
 

Kyuuji

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Nov 8, 2017
32,231
This is really awful news. Terrible thing to have to go through and I hope everyone is successful in being able to find new avenues and options swiftly.
 

OnionPowder

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,323
Orlando, FL
Their digital content was fantastic, them and Giant Bomb are my go to for watching fun gaming related videos. Dan's Link to the Past SR is one of my favs or the Mario 3 one.

i'm sure there's plenty of people like me who got into GB because of Dan and Jason moving.

There were, and still are, a lot of good people at GI. Their work just goes unappreciated here vocally at least.
 

Kaeden

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Oct 25, 2017
7,908
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If they were unionized, I would imagine there would have been an agreement in place that they would not be randomly let go from their jobs one day without any prior notice, which appears to have been the case here.
A union would have been able to negotiate severance packages as part of a collective bargaining agreement, but in no way would they be able to stop the terminations.
Because there would be collectively bargained standards for how the layoffs would take place. Speaking as someone who's been involved with layoffs without being in a union, I would have LOVED to know that things like amount of severance, assistance with job placement, extended health insurance and amount of warning before layoffs were already in guaranteed in writing. Frequently in these situations all you get is a final check and an escort off the property.

A company who already has commitments to their union has to think in much longer terms and much more cautiously than one with no commitments. In no way does it stop layoffs, but it can make it a lot easier and less scary for the members.
Okay, so yeah that's a big reason to want them and it makes sense. Obviously it's terrible that they would still get laid off like they were but yeah any type of notice to let them at least prepare would be HUGE in helping them move forward. Thanks.
 

Mr. Genuine

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Mar 23, 2018
1,618
Sad, but it was very easy to see this coming. Unfortunately I don't think this is the end of it yet for Game Informer or GameStop.
 

Crowboy

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Oct 25, 2017
168
i'm sure there's plenty of people like me who got into GB because of Dan and Jason moving.

There were, and still are, a lot of good people at GI. Their work just goes unappreciated here vocally at least.

It was the opposite direction for me. I got into GI because of Dan and Jason moving. Them talking about some of the stuff they had done got me interested in GI. Game Informer quickly became one of my favorite sites.
 

JohnnyToonami

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Dec 16, 2018
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NinjaScooter

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Oct 25, 2017
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Game Informer existed as a marketing wing of GameStop. Their mags to my knowledge were only available to GameStop premium members (or whatever they call it). Their fate and the fate of GameStop seem inseparably tied. I don't think there's a scenario where GameStop is struggling but GI is doing fine.
 

Cruxist

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,821
Okay, so yeah that's a big reason to want them and it makes sense. Obviously it's terrible that they would still get laid off like they were but yeah any type of notice to let them at least prepare would be HUGE in helping them move forward. Thanks.

Another thing that can happen too is buyouts. Before the company resorts to layoffs, they would offer buyouts and folks could leave of their own volition. This isn't a given, but it's definitely a thing and could provide financial stability and allow some folks to leave of their own accord.
 

ZiggyPalffyLA

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Nov 2, 2017
4,504
Los Angeles, California
Game Informer existed as a marketing wing of GameStop. Their mags to my knowledge were only available to GameStop premium members (or whatever they call it). Their fate and the fate of GameStop seem inseparably tied. I don't think there's a scenario where GameStop is struggling but GI is doing fine.

I always found it bizarre they wouldn't sell the magazine to paying customers who aren't premium members, even though it's usually just sitting there on the counter. I wanted that BotW cover damnit!
 

theBmZ

Avenger
Oct 29, 2017
2,132
This one hurts. Despite Game Informer being under the GameStop corporate umbrella, GI has always felt like the least corporate big games media outlet out there.

The people there are all great, and seem to really enjoy their work, and each other. There was a genuine family dynamic amongst the group. It's reflected in the content they put out.

I mean my god, the replays, the GI show, fucking Overblood...

I'm sorry this is happening to you guys.
 

OneBadMutha

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Nov 2, 2017
6,059
Game Informer does the best job amongst the major media outlets to cover games. Least click-bait and most professional of all of them. Great game coverage with no bias. It's disappointing and I hope they all find jobs soon.
 

Pyro

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Jul 30, 2018
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Gutted. Saw Imran's first and thought he was the only one since he didn't work on site in Minneapolis but fuck was I wrong.

Matt Bertz being laid off is the most insane. I've been reading his GI work since middle school/junior high in the mid 2000's.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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that sucks, game informer is one of my favorite gaming media outlets, best wishes to all affected by these news
 

StraySheep

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Oct 26, 2017
8,288
It is really weird as I never see comments on resetera about them. Hell my first exposure to their digital content was the Super Replay of Cyberia which was just amazing.

I'll also add to this "y'all are fools for sleeping on GI" camp. I tried to preach several times on this forum. Hell I think I even did within the last week.
 

EmptyWarren

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Oct 29, 2017
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I always found it bizarre they wouldn't sell the magazine to paying customers who aren't premium members, even though it's usually just sitting there on the counter. I wanted that BotW cover damnit!

It used to be a separate scrip a long time ago. Then they made it power up rewards exclusive.

And anecdotal, but didn't they say they were changing how the PUR program worked in regards to discounts and whatnot? Because I can't imagine many people wanted the magazine more than the 10-20% off used items. I knew a few people who cancelled PUR straight up when they announced that.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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This is terrible news, and awful to hear. Cover story announcements won't have the same energy behind them now, we liked the follow-up articles too. And nothing about this can be considered "funny, to a point", even though I did a double take reading this news, too. Hope better days are ahead for all the crew let go and still there.
 

JimD

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Aug 17, 2018
3,503
It used to be a separate scrip a long time ago. Then they made it power up rewards exclusive.

And anecdotal, but didn't they say they were changing how the PUR program worked in regards to discounts and whatnot? Because I can't imagine many people wanted the magazine more than the 10-20% off used items. I knew a few people who cancelled PUR straight up when they announced that.

I mean GameStop has all the behavior stats for members. They might well have seen a large number of members who continued to retain their subscription without using the discount, and assume those stuck around for GI. Otherwise why retain GI at all? Just cut all those salaries and production costs and continue the membership discounts.

Given how bad (and poorly run) things are at GameStop in general, it wouldn't surprise me if the execs decided GI could still put out enough content to keep members engaged with half the staff.
 

A Grizzly Bear

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,096
Yeah, this is the main thing. Had they been unionized, this wouldn't have blindsided the entire staff, they would have known, and there would have been fair agreements in place. It's about treating your employees like people, rather than just causing them to go into panic mode one day and having to say goodbye to longtime colleagues and friends out of no where.
It might not have blindsided them. This would be something the union would have to specifically negotiate for and, in my experience, they would rather not waste their bargaining power on notification when they can push for severance. I don't think unions in the US are the blanket fix everyone here thinks they are. The bigger issue is the complete lack of employee protections and standards. Unions are good but there should be a minimum set that employers have to adhere to regardless of whether or not an employee is unionized.
 

JimD

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Aug 17, 2018
3,503
It might not have blindsided them. This would be something the union would have to specifically negotiate for and, in my experience, they would rather not waste their bargaining power on notification when they can push for severance. I don't think unions in the US are the blanket fix everyone here thinks they are. The bigger issue is the complete lack of employee protections and standards. Unions are good but there should be a minimum set that employers have to adhere to regardless of whether or not an employee is unionized.

I haven't seen anyone here arguing that unions are a blanket fix. Since the ability of employees to unionize is currently federally protected, it's simply far more likely that wider unionization will (and should) occur than significant legislation protecting employees on a federal level will pass in the near future. State and local legislation is more likely in some areas, but still very difficult. Gerrymandering and courts packed with biased judges are a huge hurdle.
 

morrigan8bit

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Banned
Jul 1, 2019
249
Very sad news. A shame that the magazine/site is so tied to Gamestop which continues to hemorrhage.

Good luck to those affected and also to the team who remain.
 

Phendrana

Member
Oct 26, 2017
7,063
Melbourne, Australia
This is awful. The Game Informer podcast has been a staple for years, and it won't be the same now that half of the panel is gone.

I would say I wish they'd do an Easy Allies style rebirth, but I'm not sure how feasible that is for them. And they'd need more of the guys who weren't fired to join their cause for it to really work.