QAnon seems to make up his base more and more each day though, so we're getting there.
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Biden's message to QAnon: "I'm a big fan of Mental Health..."
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QAnon seems to make up his base more and more each day though, so we're getting there.
True, but it can't both be a sick burn and a positive message about mental health. To use your example of physical health - if a group of overweight people were complaining about say the FDA refusing to approve an untested weight loss pill - and you made the statement that maybe they should get more physical exercise and eat a better diet - while it may be accurate that those things would help them, you can't have it be a sick burn and a positive message simultaneously.
Some even while positing Qanon as a result of a mental health epidemic of sorts his solution is for people to "take advantage of the affordable care act while you still can" 🤔
Biden's got it here. There is nothing mentally healthy about Qanon. The moment one actually believes in nonsense like "Disinformation is necessary" and "Future proves past", one crosses a threshold where critical thought and logic no longer reside.
This shit gets really dumb really fast if you even take just a cursory look under the surface.
The Kek symbol on the bottom is your ever-present reminder that this modern religion started as a 4Chan shitpost, which will never cease to boggle my mind.
But it was easily spun to include all of them. These Q folk already defined themselves as a group luckily, and (hopefully) can't be spun a such.
QAnon is dangerous and exploitative, and people need to come down hard on it, regardless of optics.
The deporables were never gonna vote for Hillary. As much as I dislike Hillary (in retrospect, I happily voted for her in 2016), I don't think this was one of her missteps.
We're in agreement then, it's not a "sick burn". That's not Biden's MO. It's the future president promoting good mental health, which is the opposite of what Qanon promotes (ie. paranoia, delusion, violence, and hatred).
It's not gonna happen when you have a 1st post like that, remake the thread if you want any actual discussion.
The basket of deplorables line opened Hilary up to situations like that young mother asking Hilary to call her a deplorable in front of her child. Not the same thing when a Qanon does it. They honestly need help and Joe isn't wrong for suggesting it.
What the fuck is this response? Of course there is a link between mental health and susceptibility to conspiracy theories.
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Not going to happen unfortunately. I've only read from the start and the first post not only derailed the thread from the very start but on page 2 I believe I saw what appeared to be someone else coming in to keep things like that first post going.
It's just a circle of gotcha attempts. Better to just reboot honestly.
Actually, I think you're right. I keep lumping everything bad with Facebook these days.
Feeds off two things IMO:
- Folks who operate under a Just World Hypothesis suddenly see disorder and complexity that's not neatly explained by a Just World. So they need some framework to assure them that everything is really going to be okay and that they have a hero in their midst who will destroy all the power brokers who are making life unfair
- Folks are increasingly isolated and lonely. That's why nonsense spreads faster on Facebook than anywhere else, it's filled with lonely people looking for a sense of belonging.
Now combine that with the appeal of intrigue and conspiracy and it's no wonder something like Q could take hold
It's smaller (and I absolutely agree that it's a mental health issue) but gaining traction - and very efficient in the ways it's recruiting. I used to be dismissive about it, but now I'm taking it more seriously and wondering how one should adress its "adepts".
You just described a mental health thing. Stress and fear make people more susceptible to the comforts of a bias confirming alternate reality where some conspiracy explains everything.
This is patently false. It IS a mental health "thing" and Joe IS right to suggest those people seek help via available avenues.
These people actually believe that JFK Jr. faked his death and is going to reveal himself as an ally of Donald Trump. There's no bringing them back; when Trump finally croaks, they'll spend the rest of their lives insisting that he, too, is totally still alive and fighting the good fight.
Biden has a strong platform on helping the disabled, including those with mental health issues. I'm a bit bothered by the cavalier attitude with which he says this, but at least he's addressing something that I'd never trust Trump to do with any kind of skill.
Not a fan of his response, it seemed like he expected a big laugh after the mental health comment but didn't get one. Having weird/extreme beliefs by itself doesn't say anything about an individual's mental health, one only needs to look at demographics of groups like NXIVM and Scientology to see that. A great many of those people are completely fine mentally, but have some unresolved need that the cult fills for them, or are just pulled in by the promise of making their already-good life even better. Even commonly accepted religious beliefs can seem pretty strange if one looks at them with enough scrutiny, they're just accepted as normal doctrine because they've been around long enough.
Qanon is a mainly cult/extremist indoctrination problem, not a mental health one. There is some overerlap between weird beliefs and mental health in the sense that cults like Qanon often prey on vulnerable people and create an insular environment where they're encouraged to rely on the cult for everything, including not seeking professional help for whatever issues they have, but that's a bad side effect and not the primary thing driving their growth.
Qanon is a mainly cult/extremist indoctrination problem, not a mental health one. There is some overerlap between weird beliefs and mental health in the sense that cults like Qanon often prey on vulnerable people and create an insular environment where they're encouraged to rely on the cult for everything, including not seeking professional help for whatever issues they have, but that's a bad side effect and not the primary thing driving their growth.
Exactly. These are lonely, isolated people who look for an "easy" answer -- that there are Good Guys and Bad Guys. It just so happen that their easy answers are, uh, that Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin are wearing skin masks in the basement of a pizza place to scare kidnapped children during a satanic ritual so that the children produce a compound known as adrenochrome that will keep them (and RBG) alive forever.
This is along the lines of the way the media should be treating it; as opposed to a problem of extreme disinformation and brainwashing...it's put at the same level as 'quaint' conspiracy theories like the moon landing.
The reporting makes it sound like they are awkward geeks trying to prove JFK was assassinated as opposed to a fucking problem to our democracy
The reporting makes it sound like they are awkward geeks trying to prove JFK was assassinated as opposed to a fucking problem to our democracy
telling q anon people to use the aca (has anybody here tried to use it to get mental health care? i have, it was horrible) is rude, and really does not address any of the issues at hand, its just an "own" to dismiss people with mental health issues. thats why people were saying it was ableist.
This is wrong.
Advising people to take advantage of the mental health benefits that are included in the ACA is not rude. Cults and conspiracy theories are often spun off of mental health-related issues and people seeking an answer to something that may not have one. This is mental health; Finding healthy ways to cope with stress and unfamiliarity.
The "issue at hand" is not one that can be addressed in a simple way, nor is it something that Biden should have an in-depth answer for. A leader would bring a specialist in to solve the issue. His job is to provide a quick and easy snippet on how help can be obtained. By taking advantage of a system that's been created for such a purpose.
People are desperate to conflate mental illness with mental health. Stop that.
This is not the zinger people think it is (and it very plainly was meant to be a zinger). It simultaneously hurts people afflicted with mental illness by implicitly associating them with horrible racists/bigots (a large number of whom almost certainly don't even believe in the conspiracy and are just inventing/regurgitating it for the lulz or because it somehow "might as well be true") while also letting truly heinous people off the hook, implying that they aren't responsible for their own bullshit.
Anyway, please vote for Joe Biden.
Anyway, please vote for Joe Biden.
"q anon is the result of a pandemic and an economic depression. people are lookiung for easy answers. as president i will fight for everyone so nobody has to worry about paying rent or putting food on the table, or getting a job."
bam. easy.
But the reality is that a significant portion of these people -- including those involved in NXIVM and Scientology -- probably do need some level of cult depogramming. We have to do that when North Korean refugees come to South Korea too.
But at the end of the day, a lot of these people are lonely and isolated and do need help. That falls squarely into the idea of needing help, whether it be therapy or something more serious. Obviously Biden's response was pithy, but given that QAnon is a cult, I see all those issues stemming from mental health issues that have to be taken seriously. And mental health is not the same as mental illness.
Except QAnon isn't the result of that. It's been around for the last 4 years.
Mental illness does not equal mental health. Everyone should seek mental health advice.
QAnon is not a result of a pandemic or an economic depression so that would be incorrect.
You're aware Q anon existed long before the pandemic and subsequent economic decline, right?
He didn't say mental illness. Mental health and mental illness are not the same things.
QAnon isn't the result of those things and predates 2020 by years, though. Conspiracy belief is absolutely tied to mental health issues, especially the way QAnon has become the entire identity of some during Trump's administration. I don't know what you're going for here.
its EXPLODED in popularity this year, and we had worsening economic conditions for like 2 decades straight for a lot of people (which is why trump won in the first place).
This isn't true though. It has spread due to that, but it existed long before. It was, and in large parts remains, people grasping on to any conspiracy that can tell them they were right in the face of overwhelming evidence they were not. "Trump isn't bad. I didn't vote for him just because of my racism. There's a conspiracy against him! All his more odd behaviors are him fighting it!"