Nobody predicted the President's party would lose control during the mid terms despite it being an incredibly common occurrence in US politics?
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Biden: "Vote for me but stay a Republican, because we need a Republican Party."
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Nobody predicted the President's party would lose control during the mid terms despite it being an incredibly common occurrence in US politics?
I wasn't specifically saying you hadn't voted, merely challenged your view that the responsibility falls squarely on the candidate to be "exciting" and not the populace to do their moral and civic duty and vote. Fucking get over yourself.
Yeah basically.
If thats the way you want to describe not predicting that democrats would vote democratic in the Presidential elections but not vote at all during the midterms, sure.
Banks, auto industry, tax rebates for the poor, billions in grants for small business etc. But sure. Somehow the country has progressed to record low unemployment since then.
Nice trotting out a disingenuous Republican talking point there, pal.
Bush and Clinton were able to make gains in the midterms. Its not as sure thing as you try to make it. Its especially odd for a President that is re-elected to a second term. If people would've simply showed up in the same numbers, he would have won easily.
I actually agree with this. That said, while I do think there needs to be ANOTHER party, I don't think it needs to be the Republican party. I just don't really think it's realistic to replace the Republican party, and I wish people who are okay with the Republican party being shit would maybe take the fact that the Republican party always essentially has a 50-50 shot at running things more seriously. People laughed Trump off, and he became President. He always had a 50-50 shot against Hillary, no matter what the polls said.
We saw a good uptick in the midterms the problem is that efforts to suppress the youth vote are a thing, as is the fact that (aside from but not necessarily excluding targeted suppression efforts against minorities) general 'voter supression' techniques are also notably effective against students.
2018 voter turnout rose dramatically for groups favoring Democrats, census confirms (Youth, Latino, New Immigrants, White College Graduates)
The Student Vote Is Surging. So Are Efforts to Suppress It.
The share of college students casting ballots doubled from 2014 to 2018, a potential boon to Democrats. But in Texas and elsewhere, Republicans are erecting roadblocks to the polls.
I imagine the next president, if they are Dem, are going to have to spend a decent amount of time fixing the mess Trump has left. I wonder how many will turn on them for not getting anything done as well.
That there are exceptions doesn't make it incredibly uncommon. Midterm turnout is also incredibly commonly down from Presidential elections.
If the expectation of the Democrats 2008 onwards was that they would always hold every chamber of Congress, and counted on 2008 turnout levels in 2010, that is really short sighted.
I can't stand this! Again and again I'm insulted! Can you make an arguement without going into condescension! What the fuck did I do to you for you to go "Yes, this person deserves to be shat on! This person who has lost so much in the last month and has sucidal thoughts need to be pushed more!" What kind of joy are you getting out of treating me so shittily!?!
Pretty much. Democrats. So afraid of losing they refuse to go big and possibly win big.
No Republican politician (let alone a presidential contender) would ever ever ever EVER go out on a limb and say something like "We need the democrats."
So why do the democrats and Biden feel they have to?
So why do the democrats and Biden feel they have to?
The National Review is a bad magazine (that's my bad for grabbing it as my link there, was the first result), but the statistic is correct.
Here's a better one. The current crop of democratic nominees has a lot of people with blood on their hands in the detention debacle. Why should I feel any obligation to push for Biden when he was Vice President when this article was written, and hasn't exactly made it a top talking point for his campaign? Why should I feel any love for Buttigieg, who worked at McKinsey, a consulting firm that helped shape Trump's version of these same horrible camps?
Democrats don't deserve your vote just for the (D) after their name when plenty of them are directly responsible for the thing you're holding against the person you quoted.
Let's be clear - this country makes it really challenging for young people to vote. It isn't just young voter apathy here. There's a concerted effort to make sure certain groups are kept down and not exercising their right to vote - and that's where the true battle lies. And this voter suppression starts way before we get into purging voter rolls and denying specific forms of ID.
So I agree that it doesn't fall squarely on a candidate to cater to them specifically, but the true problem isn't youth apathy. It's a smaller part of a very complex and terrifying whole that is way too often ignored and not challenged.
All so some people can get some digs on a subgroup that's demographically and significantly more poor, more made up of minorities, more urban focused, and thus always more likely to be deprived of their basic rights, like voting, with arcane laws and misinformation. We need to fight that battle.
Because the USA is not a good country.
Dude, I don't know what to tell you. I didn't insult you at *all* in the first post, I was speaking with the indefinite "you", and you exploded with rage that I would dare insult you? So you decided to talk to *me* like shit for no reason. If you want people to treat you better, I suggest starting with yourself. And seeing a therapist, honestly. You seem to have anger issues and it could help.
Man i expected the same lukewarm Biden defenses every time he says something shitty. That just par for the course. But the amount of water carrying for actual Republicans here is honestly kinda shocking. Republicans don't "want a democratic party" They fantasize about shooting democrats in the streets. And then have the gall to call everyone else privileged for saying maybe we shouldn't put up with this.
it's just how democrats operate...or want to operate. just browbeat folks by pointing at the republicans.
no real need to engage folks. just vote for whoever we put up and shut up.
Well last years midterms were the highest turnout in over 100 years. In the new 24 hour news cycle and with social media, I don't think turnout will be that big a problem going forward but I could be wrong.
That being said, if Trump loses, the next President will probably get even less done because its unlikely that Democrats gain the Senate. There will likely be alot of Executive Orders, that are reversing Trump's Executive Orders which mostly are just reversing Obama's. Its a see-saw of sorts.
I can agree with that, but it's an auxiliary issue to whether or not a *specific* candidate is exciting enough, it's a global issue with whomever they decide to vote for. And polls show that youth apathy is still a thing, regardless of specific barriers on voting day.
Two take aways 1. He's trying to get the Republican vote who doesn't want Trump 2. Without a republican party the democrat party would fracture.
The election isn't tomorrow. We have a full year to weed out bad candidates. The responsibility is on the candidates to show why they deserve the nomination and votes right now.
We need Republicans to do what? Block every single Supreme Court justice and federal judge nominated--over 100--until a Republican wins a presidential election thanks to the electoral college? Like they did when you were VP? We don't need a party that hates democracy itself. The Republican party has been sued dozens of times in North Carolina over their rigging of the electoral system including actual election fraud, they've purged voter rolls in Georgia, they've disenfranchised felons in Florida, they've gerrymandered themselves into power all over the country, they've tried to fuck up the census, they've stripped governorships of their power as soon as they're won by Democrats. This is just shit I know about from the last few years. Do we need a party that doesn't respect democracy itself? Start over. Try again with a new party.
I'm sorry, they're right. I do desrve to be sneered at. I tdo deserve to be mocked at. I'm useless. I deserve to lose my job. I deserve nothing but punishment because I'm shit because I have a different opinion on the internet. It's all my fault. I should just end it right now. It's clear that people here hate me for even existing. That I'm to shitty to even exist. Why bother fighting it anymore?
Please see a therapist ASAP. No one, including me, wants anything bad to happen to you. But you should get help if you're having these thoughts.
It may have been short sighted but his election didn't exactly represent the status quo.
Yeah, its kinda ironic all the centrist handwringing about we don't want the left to get too powerful when by the end of Trump's tenure the Republicans will probably have control of the judicial branch for most of our lifetimes, and with the way Demographics are trending will also likely have permenant control of the Senate very soon. There is a very good chance that without radical change soon, the Right will have a permanant anchor on getting anything done.
Fantastic post. Thanks for writing it.
I think about this near daily. Dems like Biden should run as Republicans. Take over that party. Most of those voters will vote for anyone with an R by their name. And they'll even allow former Dems into the party, just look at Trump!
Imagine a presidential election where the choice is Biden vs Warren.
I mean...not if we win this election. Which is why I'm okay with Joe just completely sucking independent ass right now. We can ensure a balanced supreme court for decades with this victory. Not sure what you mean by demographics--we're heading towards a majority minority country by 2050 at the current rate--and the largest growth among that block are Latinos, which split lately at about 70/30 in favor of dems atm.
Actually that'd be rad. A Republican party that rallied around someone like Joe actually would be a fairly good counterpoint to more left Dems, as opposed to, you know, fascists.
To be totally honest, Democrats like Biden need the Republicans so that they can run on protecting you from them and all these things you list, even though their track record on that is pretty poor.
this is the dumbest idea in the world and will get people killed. A Biden presidency would be terrible. Thankfully it would never work as this video and idea are more or less lunatic ravings
Any reason you assume Warren would lose that match up? Who do you think would win Biden v Trump?
Also tbh I wanted to write Bernie because he's my preferred candidate (and I think he would destroy Biden in a matchup like that), but figured any left leaning Dem would do for the comparison 🤷♂️
Here's the thing: assuming you can't possibly lose against a Republican candidate is what got us the 2016 election.
Biden v Trump would be a closer race than some people would like to believe and imo would quite likely result in a second Trump term. Young people especially will not vote for him, given his outright contempt for the issues that matter to most of them.
I don't really even feel like entertaining a Warren v Biden thought exercise because it's ludicrous to start with. Joe Biden isn't going to primary Trump as a Republican to win a game of 4D chess with the Republican party. It's a ridiculous idea. This is politics, not a heist movie.
I agree that Trump could beat Biden. I don't underestimate him. I think Bernie has the best shot at beating him, but it will still be difficult.
And I agree that my thought experiment will never happen. Because I think the conclusion you draw from it is if that happened, it would be much harder for Biden to win a national election against a democratic socialist than a racist fascist. I think politicians like him are aware of that and will never allow it. They prefer having the foe to their right politically and especially when it means winning easy votes by simply NOT being the worse choice (you know by not being explicitly racist / homophobic / sexist / etc). If both parties agreed on basic human rights and identity politics no longer were a thing that was fought over, the focus of elections might be placed on different issues than the current ones (like say, redistribution of wealth) and I think those terms favor those on the left over moderates.
All this to say that what Biden said here is strategic because yes, he wants to appeal to moderates, but also, he wants a strong republican party because that's who he wants his opponent to be.
If Biden wins the primary and aggressively courts the center then what happens when the Senate stays republican and the house either stays democrat or is split? Is Biden then just a less overt deplorable who just continues to give ground to the republican agenda?
Trump is not only disgusting, incompetent trash, but he has also consistently failed to push the agenda forward as fast as it could due to his need to take all the attention and credit. A conciliatory centrist with no real spine could be far better for republicans than another round of trump.
Trump is not only disgusting, incompetent trash, but he has also consistently failed to push the agenda forward as fast as it could due to his need to take all the attention and credit. A conciliatory centrist with no real spine could be far better for republicans than another round of trump.
On further reflection, Biden is right. It is good for a right-leaning party to exist. Otherwise the people might get too much of what they need, and that would of course be bad
Joe Biden sure loves Republicans.
If he wins, we'll be dealing with years of compromise where it'll look like he's "getting things done" while we don't get much of anything.
If he loses, well. Trump.
But it's fine either way, because at the end of the day, Joe Biden loves Republicans, and that's all that really matters.
If he wins, we'll be dealing with years of compromise where it'll look like he's "getting things done" while we don't get much of anything.
If he loses, well. Trump.
But it's fine either way, because at the end of the day, Joe Biden loves Republicans, and that's all that really matters.
There's only one person that needs to follow that advice and it's YOU.
Watch. These types of comments by him are going to make people vote for Trump out of spite. He's fucking himself over courting over the Republicans.
If Biden's real only argument is "Trump is worse than I am, and you can continue being Republican, but please vote for me because reasons."
Seriously fuck off into the sun, Joe. lol
If Biden's real only argument is "Trump is worse than I am, and you can continue being Republican, but please vote for me because reasons."
Seriously fuck off into the sun, Joe. lol
Taking a general statement as a vicious personal attack is not something I've had a problem with in this thread, even if you disagree with me politically.
Era can't see the forest through the trees. He needs to start pandering to the right. There are plenty of Republicans disgusted by Trump that would vote Biden with some strong messaging. The left won't have a choice, it'll either be don't vote and support 4 more years of Trump or accept Biden. Easy decision.
Bottom line is Biden needs to be unifier. Anyone running a campaign of Us vs Them is setting Trump up for a second term, IMO.
He can pander to the right without perpetuating bullshit.
I also like "the left won't have a choice". Not everyone votes for the Democrat no matter what, depressing turnout by saying dumb shit constantly isn't a good strategy and it's why Biden is a shit campaigner that's only finally doing well because he was VP to a much more competent and charismatic politician for 8 years.
The gutting of the voters rights act was a massive factor in hurting turnout (
That is exactly what would happen.
