Hey if you believe Biden isn't actually naive towards the current state of the Republican party, feel free to believe that. I wish I had your optimism but basically everything he's ever done in his political career points to my interpretation of his statements.
The thread is mostly about the second part about how the Republican party getting shellacked too badly in the elections would be bad because they're a good counterweight.
Do you think Republicans desire unity? Do you?
Most of the people saying it are the people who don't post about politics often. Bear that in mind. Unfortunately, what you're looking at is the logic of the average Biden voter that we rarely see on display here.
At the same time the guy tells people who should be the Democratic base to vote Trump or that he doesn't want their vote. He's literally suppressing mobilization of the base and going "accross the isle" has diminished returns at this time when the country is most divided than in anyone's memory.
I mean like one or two people have said that. The overreaction here is stupid. Biden's comments are expected and tame at best.
Your protecting your own personal feelings into his statement and not taking it at face value as if Biden is some kind of sleeper agent lying to you. You also refuse to see American politics outside of your own viewpoint. You have to understand there are people who disagree with you politically and it's not always being morally right or about corrupt politicians. There are people different from you living in this country, regardless of if they support the party you do, they deserve to be heard. That's what Biden is saying.
Biden can say that without whitewashing the current Republican party and stoke the fearmongering flames of what would happen if they got crushed in 2020.
Who is currently in power or running to become in a position of power that's saying we need a one party system? It's a bs strawman that ignores how our political system operates.
I am taking it at face value. You're obviously projecting your own feelings on to me and seem to be ignoring what the elected republican party has become vote for vote in national politics. I am not stating the dems are shining paragons of virtue and you are continuously putting words in my mouth.
Again, you're sticking to a strawman that I'm advocating for a one party state, I am not. Political parties have realignments when they lose elections bad. You should not reward bad behavior by reinforcing it. The U.S. is in absolutely no danger of becoming a one party state.
In the context of the second part I'm referring to, those posts are warranted.
Yes there is. The current state of our government is unsustainable. Staying the same is losing. We need a pull back left. Now is not the time for pulling punches only to wait for Republicans to own the government again and push us further to the right.
So what should he have said to encourage republican voters to consider him, while also messaging that he will be willing to compromise on republican values?
I'm convinced takes like these can only come from MSNBC and CNN fanatics. That's a much more obvious bubble. That there might be enough boomer cable news fans to win a plurality in the primary doesn't make them representative of anything at all.
Only the first part.
Is legitimizing the current elected Republican party because if they lose too badly the dems will rule forever when there's no fucking way that's even a possibility.
Chuck Schumer 2016 said:
He could start by not peddling straight up right wing lies about what will happen if the Democrats trounce Republicans in 2020.
If enough people feel this way, then Biden definitely won't have to worry about the Republican party getting clobbered.
Look, I call out bitch eating crackers level bad arguments against Biden pretty consistently. This isn't it. He's referring to the 2020 election and that his party shouldn't have too much power after it.
Yep. Taking out the most basic level of implications that Biden himself is saying and arguing about why they're completely illogical and actually dangerous to peddle is now "bitch eating crackers" strawmen lol
Joe Biden probably won't raise your taxes. So that helps too?
Your entire argument rests on the distinction between "a" and "the" when he's talking about the 2020 election in the first part of his argument.
Its crazy because I never ever see these kinds of takes in real life.
He's worried that they would get clobbered. This is splitting hairs for a defense. Even taking your point, the idea that it's even a possibility for our electoral system to turn to a one party dem state is laughable.
Nah I don't agree I still feel there is to much "reading between the lines' here that's not present in what the actual quote says. When people think they will be "destroyed" the fight. Biden doesn't need a fight he needs people to join him. Leftist candidates like Warren and Sanders scare people. Like Obama said, people don't want to tear down and start over, people want issues to be fixed. Biden is trying to appeal to those people. Appealing only to specific groups is how we got Trump in the first place. All those people in "flyover" country liberals tend to forget about matter in elections too.
Even that's wrong though! The Republican party getting clobbered doesn't lead to a one party system. The US isn't designed for a one party system! Either the Republican party would have to reform or there would be a different 2nd viable party that rises to power.
Democrats have old people too, you know.
