I'd say it's even more important. Democrats need to take back states
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Biden: "Vote for me but stay a Republican, because we need a Republican Party."
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Its almost like he's insinuating he could have done better than Obama did in those 8 years they were constantly obstructed by republicans at every single turn. Well Joe? Which is it? Was Obama incapable of doing what you think you are the man to somehow pull off? Or did you know something he didn't and just declined to inform Obama of your amazing strategy to beat McConnell through kindness and civility? Or is it that you think because you're white that the Republicans won't obstruct you as much? Whatever interpretation you choose, it's still a terrible look and not the type of person I want in the Oval Office. Please Joe, pack it in, go home.
You need other parties. But you don't need one cool with racism and bigotry and doing its damnest to kill poor people.
Joke's on you we have to be dead silent this entire time for our vote to be counted
what? I hope what you're saying is we need to shatter the Republican coalition to allow the Dems to take up the conservative space and leftists to form a new party. Because the only way it works chronologically is if we crack the GOP before the Dems and the broader Left split into their respective parties. It won't work otherwise. Gotta crush the GOP base and turnout apparatus if you want to build leftist power in the US outside of the Dem Party Vehicle.
It's a good strategy because the electorate is moderate. The benefit is not only attracting Obama Trump moderates but appealing more to other moderates with that kind of tone. Just because you personally don't like it doesn't mean it's not a smart strategy.
Is it trouble with reading, comprehension or both? Tray again and be less disingenuous about it.
He's literally telling people to comfortably vote Republican down ticket. You're claiming moderate Democrats will like that for some reason
A single party system would turn the United States into a dystopian nightmare. I encourage you to research the history of the democratic party during and after the Civil War. Just because one party says what you like now doesn't mean they always will. American politics is bigger than Trump and defeating him won't solve democracy. As if there are no corrupt democrats.
I see this so often here and I just don't give a fuck. Like no kidding we don't match the electorate, an electorate that voted in Donald fucking Trump. Dubya to 2 terms, and fucking Reagan. An electorate that doesn't care about concentration camps on our goddamn border. An electorate that will stan for a multi-trillion dollar imperialist jaunt around the world over feeding and clothing its own people.
This country has been a pile of shit for my entire life. It's a racist, xenophobic, nationalist, and now very fast becoming fascist Kleptocracy. The fascist aren't going away because Ol Joe says so.
So, we're not just going to keep quiet because this country is full of deplorables, while my "allies" make every move to coddle these assholes as they're throwing bombs at their own base, particularly the younger gens, by straight out telling them "I don't give a shit about you and your problems". As a young black guy I'm used to it. That's the status quo.
Biden might win 2020, but sunshines and rainbows will not be the result. Naive idiots like Biden think of Donald Trump like some mothership that can be taken out and the GOP terrorism will just cease and desist. He and whoever else from the greater electorate that believes that tripe is a useful fucking idiot and it needs to be called out.
Yeah Trump is a white supremacist criminal in every sense of the word but all of the reps and senators refusing to take action against him are perfectly fine people!
Way to tell it like it ie Joe, thanks for your down ballot support to Democrats!
Because they will! Seeing someone who says "hey guys I know you're usually a republican or a republican leaning moderate, but we know we need this president gone" is appealing to much of the voters.
The argument is if you want to make anything better for the people who need it most you need to give a fuck. Being able to not give a fuck is a privileged position.
You can do that without whitewashing the rest of the party completely unprompted.
Whitewashing? What? And the only people mad at this are statistically insignificant and not Biden primary voters anyway.
Everyone stop talking about their childish fantasies about the electorate, and listen to my childish fantasies about the electorate
This is the Trump strategy of calling everything fake therefore my fake is ok.
Look at the numbers if you actually care and see who is pushing a fantasy.
Saying we need the Republican party in its current form is whitewashing it.
Oh I'm glad that everyone mad at Republicans are stastically insignificant lol
I didn't say that. Can any of you argue without strawmanning and being disingenuous? The people mad at Biden for saying this are not a large enough portion of the electorate and not Biden voters in the primary anyway.
But Biden did, thus the whitewashing of the Republican party.
And I'm not sure what your strategy here is, it's ok if it appeals to only people that are already voting for Biden in the primaries? Seems like a pretty bad way to kneecap yourself in the general, especially when you're arguing voting Republican down ballot is ok instead of you know, making the argument for Democrats.
How the hell would Trump and republicans getting clobbered this election turn us into a single party system? Please explain how this scenario works in real life.
Most of the democrats are currently going to vote for Biden in the primary. Some moderates are not voting Biden but going to Buttigiege or others. Most states don't allow Republicans to vote in democratic primaries so appealing to them only pays dividends with moderate democrats who find the strategy appealing in the primary and republicans in the general.
I'm curious why you simultaneously think appealing to republicans to vote for a democratic president is useless yet we should do so for the downballot races? Shouldn't we just be telling them to fuck off all the time in your view?
Republicans getting the shit beat out of them would not turn us into a single party system. It would force Republicans to drop their schtick of saying government doesn't work and then making their #1 goal in office to make sure government doesn't work.
there are governmental forms out there which only need one party but Democracy isn't one of them.
You can do this, if a Republican has become so disaffected with their own party that they're willing to vote against a Republican president because of how bad they are - how about you point to how the Reps and Senators aren't actually taking any action against him? Point to how they're defending him at every single turn and don't care about the shitty things he's doing that are turning you away from tur party.
It's a dumb thing to say because all he is going to do is suppress his base of voters. The only reason dems don't win every election is because voter turnout is small. there are so many more dems than Republicans in this country, and a ton of the Republicans we do have are populist that like left leaning economics but are right socially. Dems should be focused on turning out their base and disenfranchised voters, and stop helping the Republicans suppress the vote by compromising on every insane position the republicans hold. We don't need republican voters to win any of these elections, we would have much better results focusing on our own party.
Just to be clear, you'd be ok with Biden appealing to republicans? And all this "we need to destroy the republicans" thing is gone as long as he appeals to them in all races?
Ah yes, good old known Republican values like civility and bipartisanship.
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ERA politics... a strange corner of the internet. You all are noticeably becoming Trump of the left. No mercy for anyone who strives for unity - if Obama ran during this climate, you all would rip his throat out.
No one is saying Trump and the Gop shouldn't loose. They definitely need to reform their party, but the republican party is supposed to represent more than the corrupt politicians at the top. We still need those voices, even if we don't agree with them to be represented. The United States is a varied place and no political ideology represents everyone equally. It's a fallacy to think every republican is corrupt just like every democrat isn't a saint.
Of course I'd be ok to Biden appealing to Republicans. Appealing to Republican voters to point out how their party has betrayed them isn't the same thing as he's doing here though.
If we were Trumps of the left we would just call Obama the n-word
Biden is tenuously holding on to a plurality, it's not at all true to say "most" Democrats are going to vote for him.
It helps that Obama is the reason many people realised this tactic doesn't work in the long run (and that was when the Republicans were less radical than now)
Such an enlightening post ya got there, champ!
It's also very original!
Why is nuance allowed in your position but not Biden's? Do you think he wants the republican party in it's current form to stay just as it is and that we need exactly that? He even said "a" republican pary.
Lol, tenuously? He's up convincingly right now.
this thread is demonstrating exactly why Biden's statements were stupid, so many of you are jumping from and giving the time of the day to the absolutely fucking remedial and insane idea that we go from Republicans losing an election to dystopian one party facism. Jesus Christ you guys are fucking...ugh so damn frustrating in your nonsense and utter batshit stupidity
Beating a party so badly they have to make the positions less neo-nazi-y isn't one party rule.
We would need to completely change the systems of elections and government to turn the US into a one party rule for any long amount of time, what Biden is implying is fearmongering bullshit.
You're misinterpreting the problem with Biden's statement. The first part? Whatevs, other candidates have said similar things like. The second though? That's basically advocating for the pubs to keep on.
He's saying that he hopes the dems don't win so big that the republican party is crushed. Which basically means the pubs can continue trotting out the same shit because you win some lose some.
It doesn't, though. That's the problem. That's why they need to take such a hit that the only way to recover is to change. Of course Fox News existing won't allow that to happen.
You're continuing to act like people are advocating for a one party state. They are not. That is a strawman.
No one is saying every democrat is a saint by any single stretch of the imagination.