Biden to await advice on sharing secrets with Trump, as there is risk that former President becomes even more vulnerable to foreign influence

[.Detective.]

What do you gain by being provocative in making the declaration before you even have an administration? Some extra kudos on the Internet?

They're going to do whatever minimal due diligence is necessary. They've got all kinds of security issues to look at, Trump loyalists to weed out and/or isolate, actual sensible chains of command and advice to re-impliment between agencies, etc. Shit, maybe they determine it's useful to leak him selective info and see where it goes.

Save your anger for something substantive, or if they ultimately decide he should continue getting briefings.

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For clarity, I'm not even American, BTW. I have no anger in this, but more shock, appall and confusion on why eliminating a physical manifestion of absolute risk would require further delay, especially after the atrocity that said risk has casually caused on a whim. You cannot play politely with Trump, his base, or the GOP, knowing they will never do the same. You stamp it, burn it, at the most efficient pace.

One of my concerns with Biden is that while he will be night and day compared to the default horrible evil of Trump, he is likely more of a return to status quo(which given the consistent decline of American society before Trump just escalated it by a couple decades, is not something to be proud of by any means) President. But time will tell.

 

[Muu]

I guess this would be yet another reason for impeachment or removal, right?

 

[Officer Big Mac]

I guess this would be yet another reason for impeachment or removal, right?

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biden doesn't have to grant him access regardless of impeachment.

 

[ryan13ts]

Well prior to this shit-stain, it actually kind of made sense. Previous Presidents could give the current ones advice on how to navigate certain circumstances they might have previously dealt with. They could be trusted with this type of information and knew the responsibility it carried, for the good of the country.

Now though? Fuuuuuck no, this piece of human garbage should have absolutely no access to secrets after he leaves office. In fact, if it were possible, any state secrets and information he had that were integral to the safety of the country should memory erased out of him, Men in Black style; He's that selfish, dangerous, and untrustworthy to hold state secrets, especially knowing his narcissism and how he undoubtly sees himself as being "betrayed" by the people not being re-elected.

 

[AnansiThePersona]

Please tell Trump then unban him from Twitter for what will be the greatest 5 minutes in American history

 

[Deleted member 4461]

Every single reason basically doesn't apply to Trump.

• The former President may have contacts the President wishes to use.
• The former President may have expertise on a subject the President wants to know about.
• The former President may have political clout that the President wishes to leverage.

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All of this. It doesn't sounds crazy if you imagine a former President is not Trump.

 

[Syriel]

Wait, do former presidents get let in on national security secrets once they're out of office?

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Wut

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What the FUCK is wrong with this country?

...Oh, right...

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What reasoning for this practice? Is this some kind of law, why???

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It's not a law, but in general makes sense.

The number of people who have held the job is very small, and they may have context that can help.

They don't get full access to all intel, but do typically get a summary of items.

Of course, this only works when you assume the former president puts country over personal profit.

 

[Bishop89]

Well Biden can consult Obama is he needs previous presidential guidance.

 

[SNRUB]

It's ok to skip tradition once in a while, especially now

 

[sfedai0]

lol what in the hell would Biden need to consult Trump on? Maybe how to please daddy putin?

 

[construct]

private citizen

 

[SigSig]

oh no the joke has already been made, disregard this post ;_;

 

[Mechaplum]

It seems like you guys have many practices that are gentlemen's agreements and are predicated on people in power not being total shitwards.

 

[Hrodulf]

This fuck face didn't do shit worth learning from or sharing with him about. Maybe asking him what he did with North Korea but even then it could probably be summarized in 5 minutes

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Trump is such a petty, selfish little prick that he wouldn't share any kind of personal insight unless it was going to benefit him in some way. Possibly not at all in the case of the person who "stole" the election from him.

 

[antonz]

It seems like you guys have many practices that are gentlemen's agreements and are predicated on people in power not being total shitwards.

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Makes sense when you think of the fact the country was born out of Revolution by a people who strongly believed Revolution was the right of the people if the Government turned against them. Have to wonder how many of them considered the fact the Nation might go 2-300 years and the people would change and that revolutionary fervor would not be at the heart of the people anymore.

Then again people like Jefferson felt the Constitution was not a Monolithic Entity that should be worshipped for all time. He was strongly in favor of frequent updates to the new realities of civilization.

America honestly got led astray by people in power who led us to a version of America that many of the founders actually were not looking to

 

[bobnowhere]

Sent Trump as special envoy to North Korea and then cancel his passport.

 

[Khanimus]

A two-time impeachment feels like the kind of thing that should disqualify him from accessing information like this. Otherwise what is the fucking point?

 

[ArrogantBastard]

Wait, do former presidents get let in on national security secrets once they're out of office?

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Legit my reaction, why?

 

[Typhon]

Legit my reaction, why?

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Pretty simple answer from this post

Biden to await advice on sharing secrets with Trump, as there is risk that former President becomes even more vulnerable to foreign influence News

Every single reason basically doesn't apply to Trump. The former President may have contacts the President wishes to use. The former President may have expertise on a subject the President wants to know about. The former President may have political clout that the President wishes to leverage.

www.resetera.com

 

[ZackieChan]

Some of you really can't imagine why it might be helpful to have a former president and his cabinet to be ready and willing to help on current issues on which they might have experience?

 

[zswordsman]

Biden is probably just playing nice to the media but deep down already knows that the answer is fuck no to giving Trump access to intel.

Just making the break up as clean as possible to avoid Trump having another fit and fucking shit up even more.

 

[Morrigan]

Some of you really can't imagine why it might be helpful to have a former president and his cabinet to be ready and willing to help on current issues on which they might have experience?

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Former presidents being consulted on sensitive intelligence issues every now and then does make sense, but I admit I had no idea they received regular intelligence briefings or anything like that.

 

[Joni]

Intelligence briefing to Obama, Bush, Clinton: complex detail on how Russia is doing something wrong and we know everything about it. This is how we will stop them.
Intelligence briefing to Trump: no, we didn't notice Russia doing anything wrong? Why? Do you know something?

 

[Booshka]

Just send him a picture of the 2020 electoral map and a red sharpie every week and let him relive his fantasy.

he doesn't read anyway.

 

[Foffy]

If businesses are cutting ties with him, of course his only avenue for money is to sell intelligence. Could also be why his shitty fucking family is planning to have positions in congress.

 

[Syranth]

I say use Trump as bait for other countries. Don't give him classified info, give him FAKE classified info. Seriously, the guy has to be the worst secret keeper. Misinformation campaigns will be so much more successful if he's used well.

Seriously, I want this guy to be worth SOMETHING to us for all the crap we went through with him. Dangle him like a piece of meat!

 

[Spartacris]

Ummm, NO.

that's an easy answer to that one.

 

[Helix]

nice, so you get to know state secrets even if you are not the sitting president.

AMERICA, EXPLAIN WTF IS GOING ON WITH YOU???!!!!!

 

[Wiseguy]

Here's my advice.

Treat him like a mushroom.

Kept in the dark and fed shit.

 

[KDR_11k]

I don't think Biden will tell him shit, but good luck trying to stop all the info that Trump has been briefed on already, unchecked, from getting out there for years to come.

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I think Trump's inability to remember shit will be the big limiter here. He can't give away secrets he can't remember. Plus whoever is debriefing him would have to figure out what's actually true and what's just fantasy that Trump has gaslit himself into believing.

 

[Helix]

A two-time impeachment feels like the kind of thing that should disqualify him from accessing information like this. Otherwise what is the fucking point?

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I have been asking these kinds of questions for the past 4-5 years

 

[Blablurn]

People be like "lets fucking not" but there only needs to be ONE Trumper in the higher ranks to make sure, Trump will get the information he needs. Just one who drank all the cool aid. We doomed, guys. I'm pretty sure there must be at least one rotten core of trumpsters in the big organizations.

 

[MrCibb]

I dunno. If you really want Putin to know something then telling Trump might actually work well. Pocket strat.

 

[Bing147]

nice, so you get to know state secrets even if you are not the sitting president.

AMERICA, EXPLAIN WTF IS GOING ON WITH YOU???!!!!!

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Yes, and it normally makes a great deal of sense. The events that happen today don't happen in a vacuum, they are a continuous chain that stretches into the past. Past Presidents will have dealt with situations that the current President now has to wade into. Situations that their own administration has no experience with, or at least not the full experience with. That former President can be a valuable resource and in the past it was always standard procedure for former Presidents to make themselves available for this sort of thing. Even crossing party lines, that has never typically been an issue. Even Obama made a point of making himself available to Trump, though Trump reportedly had no interest.

And while what you want out of those Presidents is their knowledge of the past, situations aren't static. Things on the ground change quickly and having the current context of the situation can be vital to know what about the past is relevant to the current situation, what information can be useful. Events that might otherwise seem unimportant and not worth bringing up may take on a whole new importance with proper context. Considering how quickly events can happen, it makes sense for those former Presidents to not have to be brought up to speed every time you need their advice on a developing situation.

Of course none of that applies to Trump because he knows nothing, never understood the context of anything happening around him, can't be trusted with the secrets, and even if he somehow could likely wouldn't be willing to take the time out of his day to help anyone other than himself.

 

[Pand]

I don't see why people are so appaled by this; it makes sense when the previous president isn't a moron, and it's at the discretion of the sitting president so it can be revoked at any time.

 

[luminosity]

None of the former presidents "need to know", for that matter.

I don't even know why that's a thing.

 

[Typhon]

None of the former presidents "need to know", for that matter.

I don't even know why that's a thing.

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It has been explained multiple times but again. https://www.resetera.com/threads/bi...ble-to-foreign-influence.363302/post-56541173

 

[VariantX]

don't fucking share shit with this dude. Especially a dude that was impeached twice. Especially a dude that already gives away intelligence in casual conversation.

 

[TheSpaceBetween]

Wow, as a US citizen I didn't even know this was a thing. Like, once you leave ANY job, what business do you have being privy to the goings on at that establishment?

 

[Plinko]

Spoiler: twitter text

Kaitlan Collins @kaitlancollins

After Trump's former deputy director of national intel said he shouldn't have access to intel briefings after leaving office, incoming chief of staff Ron Klein says they'll take the recommendation from their intel officials. @jaketapper points out Sue Gordon was Trump's own aide.

9:36 AM · Jan 17, 2021

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No intel officer is going to say yes to this, so he's not getting intel any more.

 

[Glasfrut]

Reading about this made me wonder, did Trump allow Obama access? He is certainly petty enough not to, but I haven't seen anything about it.

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I'm wondering the same. Probably not. Like you said, Trump is petty enough not to. But maybe he didn't even know it was a thing?

 

[JJD]

Ironic considering Trump famously never read his daily briefings.

Can you imagine if he starts complaining about being denied access? Lol

 

[Deleted member 7051]

Wut

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It's not that weird. Normally they're former world leaders with a lot of influence, experience and worthwhile advice. Keeping them in the loop is, usually, a good idea.

There is no merit at all, however, in keeping Trump up to date. He is a massive security risk, for one, and I'm not actually sure how much work he even did as president. Kinda felt like he spent the last four years doing one of four things: watching Fox News, tweeting, playing golf or holding rallies.

 

[Netherscourge]

Trump will absolutely sell secrets. He is completely untrustworthy.

He'll use anything he can get his hands on to gain money, influence and power.

He's been impeached TWICE already, and the first time was related to foreign collusion.

This is a no-brainer. He should NOT have classified intel access.

 

[Deleted member 26591]

Give him fake info. He'll absolutely sell it/leak it.

Allow foreign powers to act on said fake info.

Secret service raid on Mar-a-Lago, Trump in chains for espionage. Destroy everything there is about this fucking clown.

 

[ZackieChan]

Former presidents being consulted on sensitive intelligence issues every now and then does make sense, but I admit I had no idea they received regular intelligence briefings or anything like that.

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I think the point, like with former head intelligence officials like Brennan keeping their security clearance, is that they should be up to speed all the time in case of a crisis.