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Biden Aides See Warning Signs in Black, Latino Turnout So Far
- Thread starter jon bones
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yup just don't trust trump, if it was a diff incumbent id feel better. im sure my parents are doing the same thing too etc.
My black friends don't trust mail in voting, so they'll be there Tuesday. So in that regard Trump succeeded in sowing doubt.
Not so much the media in general, but Trump and the right were pushing the "Red Wave" hard at the time only to get clobbered on election night.
How to now the article you just read is a "horse race!" fearmongering trash piece:
1. Article gives no actual comparative data. Saying "X% of minorities have voted v. Y% of white people" isn't a comparison. X% of minorities in 2020 v. the amount who had voted by this time in 2016 would be comparative. Instead this is a spurious argument to paint the narrative that white folks are doing "more" to vote Trump out.
2. Article does nothing to dig beyond the surface. Saying "latinx turnout isn't good in some Florida counties, like Miami-Dade county" ignores that a large portion of the Miami-Dade latinx population is of Cuban descent with a much higher lean for Trump than any other latinx demographic. If they aren't turning out in Miami-Dade it might mean that a lot of Cuban-Americans who voted Trump in '16 are just sitting this one out.
3. Article has dubious sources. The only named person in this is Steve Schale, a Florida-centric PAC organizer. Funny how this article comes just a couple days after Miami-Dade county Dem groups (i.e. probably Schale and his PAC) were complaining about not getting enough support from the Biden camp, ignorant to the fact that the campaign has been hitting a massive swath of states with both on the ground rallies and advertising funds.
This reeks of a journalist wanting to put up a horse race article and hooking up with a party insider unhappy that he isn't getting the usual super special treatment he feels entitled to as a power player in Florida, the "swing state" of US POTUS elections.
Never mind that shifts in electoral college shares and voter demographics throughout the southwest have made Florida a cherry on top state for Dems and not a must win, he's a very important person! Just look at the blog post this references where he described himself as a "former rising star" when his crowning achievement was being a state director for Obama and being part of the failed "Draft Biden" attempt to get Biden to run in 2016.
The only person less trustworthy than a Republican is literally every political strategist on either side of the isle, but don't mind me while y'all hand wring over an article basically written by one with a clear agenda and propped up by a willing journalist looking for easy copy.
1. Article gives no actual comparative data. Saying "X% of minorities have voted v. Y% of white people" isn't a comparison. X% of minorities in 2020 v. the amount who had voted by this time in 2016 would be comparative. Instead this is a spurious argument to paint the narrative that white folks are doing "more" to vote Trump out.
2. Article does nothing to dig beyond the surface. Saying "latinx turnout isn't good in some Florida counties, like Miami-Dade county" ignores that a large portion of the Miami-Dade latinx population is of Cuban descent with a much higher lean for Trump than any other latinx demographic. If they aren't turning out in Miami-Dade it might mean that a lot of Cuban-Americans who voted Trump in '16 are just sitting this one out.
3. Article has dubious sources. The only named person in this is Steve Schale, a Florida-centric PAC organizer. Funny how this article comes just a couple days after Miami-Dade county Dem groups (i.e. probably Schale and his PAC) were complaining about not getting enough support from the Biden camp, ignorant to the fact that the campaign has been hitting a massive swath of states with both on the ground rallies and advertising funds.
This reeks of a journalist wanting to put up a horse race article and hooking up with a party insider unhappy that he isn't getting the usual super special treatment he feels entitled to as a power player in Florida, the "swing state" of US POTUS elections.
Never mind that shifts in electoral college shares and voter demographics throughout the southwest have made Florida a cherry on top state for Dems and not a must win, he's a very important person! Just look at the blog post this references where he described himself as a "former rising star" when his crowning achievement was being a state director for Obama and being part of the failed "Draft Biden" attempt to get Biden to run in 2016.
The only person less trustworthy than a Republican is literally every political strategist on either side of the isle, but don't mind me while y'all hand wring over an article basically written by one with a clear agenda and propped up by a willing journalist looking for easy copy.
The Dems continue to take black/brown people for granted. It shouldn't surprise them that they can't generate excitement.
tbf to Schale, the blog post the article refers to, http://steveschale.com/blog/2020/10/27/7-days-out.html
he actually reassures the audience its not complete doom and gloom and that Florida will always be close anyway.
Y'all are crafting imaginary narratives when the election hasn't even happened yet. Maybe a ton of people are waiting until Election Day?
Turnout or not, the Dems consistently take minority votes for granted. This election is no different.
Not surprising...Biden is an uninspiring candidate to the say the least, and PoC communities have been done dirty by the dems for decades.
Thats just it though. His whole narrative is "Florida is so close and so important!" It does a political strategist no good to say "nah, ya fucked here bud" same as saying "we got it in the bag". The whole point is to speak out of both sides of their mouth simultaneously.
Political strategists are the fuel of the horse race narrative because they need to it drive candidates and donors to feed their machine. Never forget that political strategists almost all at some point double as lobbyists. They're fucking leaches and are as culpable in turning cable news into the partisan shitshow it is today as the pursuit of baseline profits.
What would you describe as not taking minority votes for granted? I'm not going to claim Biden is the greatest champion of minority rights we could have nominated but he's just about a million miles better than the alternative and is a massive improvement in what the Dems have offered previously. Can't get to perfect without first working through good.
This is something that's been on my mind a lot.
Over the past five years, I tried really, really hard to get my grandma off the insane Facebook conspiracy train. Not only has this process been utterly fruitless, it has dramatically reaffirmed my belief that a major driving force of conservatism isn't just bigotry, but literally some sort of intellectual or personality defect. Her thinking, her ideology, is incoherent, self-contradictory, and freely morphs from one moment to the next, but I swear to you that she believes what she says with absolute conviction, even when it's the exact opposite of what she said just 10 minutes ago. It is 100% sincere. She's not going senile, she's not trying to outmaneuver an opponent in a debate, she's just a Republican.
I think cognitive dissonance compels us to scrutinize our own beliefs and better arrange our priorities and political thought, the same way pain compels us to avoid physically traumatic activities—and it's something most conservatives are incapable of feeling. There is literally something missing from their brains.
We all have a responsibility to speak up when bigotry and idiotic conspiracy thought make themselves known within our families, but I also don't think we have much reason to believe it is an effective means of combating or mitigating them.
I'mma be real, I know quite a few black men who are getting taken in by Trump's machismo bullshit and they don't care for Dems cause they never do anything.
I think there can be a real reckoning in the future for Dems if Reps are able to get their overt racist messaging in order if Trump loses. If they get a trifecta they have to go all in, nothing held back in making change.
I think there can be a real reckoning in the future for Dems if Reps are able to get their overt racist messaging in order if Trump loses. If they get a trifecta they have to go all in, nothing held back in making change.
It's not hard to be better than Trump. But if you've lived through decades of Dems dangling a carrot on a stick, there's a good chance you're not going to be excited for the next guy holding the stick. Especially if you didn't have a good quality of life when he was last in office.
Biden is openly running ads talking up the most outlier polls in an attempt to drum up donations and voting. While I'm not saying it's impossible turnout is low, Biden aides SAYING its low to try and inspire even more turnout wouldn't be... shocking
I suppose so, but assuming the data he mentions in his blog is correct, its pretty clear cut, florida is gonna be close cause the data says it.
This election has a huge gender divide, the most in history, we need the election to end before being able to look at data, the shift in minorities is among men mostly if i recall the article correctly.
Black people have been hearing this since before we had voting rights.
Literal centuries of being told to wait, and enough elections where principles are thrown away when they're convenient (including this one), and I'm starting to think that Democrats and their philosophical ilk aren't actually after minority liberation and equality, but are after a comfortable status quo where oppression is simply ignorable.
You're not wrong on Dems needing to put up or shut up on some massively overdue legislation. But I'd argue that since you're seeing some of that with latino men too, it probably points more to a men problem than a strictly racial one. I'm not seeing stories like these about latina or black women. But men across the board have been supporting some vile shit around Trump.
Fuck the thought process that went into that name.
"You know what the negroes like? The rap music. And they are always trying to get platinum albums right?"
And the sad part, people that should know better will buy into it. It is the modern day fried chicken and watermelon
Hmm
Sure do!
I'm also literally not worried about the voters this Tuesday, even with the EC. Shrug.
Sure do!
I'm also literally not worried about the voters this Tuesday, even with the EC. Shrug.
Not saying this year is the same, it's just the disconcerting feeling of being so sure of your prediction, backed by all the data, and seeing that begin to crumble.
The data in 2016 was nowhere near this. Tons of states polling within MoE. Final polls not reflecting Comey's antics with Weiner's notebook, too. Doesn't feel the same at all.
There's a reason Trump is shitting his damned pants right now.
Reckoning in the future?? 2016 wasn't the Dem's reckoning?!
I'm black & I voted for Biden. I almost did it by VBM, but have voted in person.
And earn a one-way ticket to prison.
Someone has to call them out & show tough love.
And earn a one-way ticket to prison.
Someone has to call them out & show tough love.
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Joe doesn't need to be worried. People of color have largely distrusted the mail-in voting option. Too much shenanigans around it, and many of us have learned that we need to watch our shit go right into the voting machines by our own hand in order to be sure we are counted.
I look forward to voting on election day, in person, and getting my sticker.
Signed,
Black man
I look forward to voting on election day, in person, and getting my sticker.
Signed,
Black man
Not from black and latino voters it wasn't. It just went back down more to "normal" from the crazy Obama levels of support.
I am sure the white suburban moderates will be a reliable coalition in the Democrat Party going forward.
As a Hispanic most Hispanics I've personally met in the US are kind of assholes so par for the course. Really embarrassing.
I could see someone like Kasich dominating the black vote in 2024
Yeah, I was going to vote early or by mail, but I was afraid some bullshit would happen to disenfranchise me - so I'm going on Election Day.
I'm willing to bet many other Black people feel the same way, even if they live in "safe" states. They're gonna have to kill me to stop my ballot.
I'm willing to bet many other Black people feel the same way, even if they live in "safe" states. They're gonna have to kill me to stop my ballot.
While I absolutely do agree that Biden has been not paying as much attention to the Black and Latinx communities as they could have (I mean, they're still doing a shit ton more than Trump but Trump's campaign is in the goddamn basement), pretty much everyone I know is voting in person because of possible voter suppression efforts against us.
well a significant part of the article's based on a Florida Dem operative, so