Bette Midler sparks argument about trans people after posting transphobic tweet

[OrangeNova]

It's the first time I've encountered those terms and they seem incredibly dehumanizing on the surface.

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Honestly, these terms have been around for decades, are used by the medical community, and are used to the benefit of trans male/non-binary/intersex people, to have more inclusive language. Because, it's not just women that do these things, and not all women do those things. Things like menopause, or infertility can prevent it in women, and that's not even talking about trans women.

And they are technically dehumanizing because they're scientific/medical terms, they're meant to be as sterile uses as possible.

 

[breakdancing duck]

And they are technically dehumanizing because they're scientific/medical terms, they're meant to be as sterile uses as possible.

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Using those terms in medical journals and laws makes sense where any ambiguity could cause issues, but using dehumanizing terms in other places is a recipe to offend people.

 

[Strider_Blaze]

Well didn't know who she was until I look her up…

Yeah I'm definitely not going to watch Hocus Pocus 2.

In fact, the original just got tainted to me.

 

[OrangeNova]

Using those terms in medical journals and laws makes sense where any ambiguity could cause issues, but using dehumanizing terms in other capacities is a recipe to offend people.

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They typically aren't, at most they get used in media again to include everyone.

Because again if something affects everyone with a womb, then the term "Woman" both includes people who do not have a womb(Biologically or through surgery), and excludes people who do have one(Trans men, non-binary people, intersex people). So, "People who can give birth are affected by the decisions regarding Roe v Wade" is better than any other option.

 

[Cenauru]

Democrats.

I think one interesting argument that I've been reading online is why are only women being given new inclusive labels?

I've never heard anyone refer to men as "ejaculators", "people who ejaculate", or "people with penises".

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I don't quite remember the wording, but my HRT appointments also have inclusive versions versions of "men" too when filling out health forms. TERFs just don't acknowledge it because as usual, it'll completely dismantle their argument.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

And the next day she's going full Islamophobe, jesus Bette.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

This forever taints my favourite broadway musical Rochelle Rochelle.

 

[Mekanos]

And the next day she's going full Islamophobe, jesus Bette.

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Well according to some posters in this thread she's an old white woman so she gets a pass on transphobia and islamophobia

 

[JayC3]

The OP has been banned given the initial framing of the thread and their prior history. As a result, the thread has been locked. Feel free to create a new thread with better sources/framing.