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Bethesda's VP of global marketing replies to fan on Twitter with "jfc. You guys are impossible. Enjoy your disappointment"
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"Great" is reach.
Even when covering legitimate issues he hams it up hard and makes it be drama and outrage. I get it that it's his persona for the videos, being loud and outraged about everything. Still find myself wishing he would have more level headed discussions about these topics.
Also cover positive things once in a millenia, even if it drives less clicks to his channel.
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Ok, so people like YongYea and Jim Sterling doesn't have legitimate complaints in their videos such as YongYea and Jim Sterling both released a video on Denuvo Anti-Cheat being ring-0 due to causing too much drama within the gaming community?
Hines is known to do this stuff, it's nothing new
I don't actually see this tweet as being horrible but yeah, he's known to get pretty fucking mad, this seems like a joke though
This dramatuber is probably playing up Hine's reputation
I don't actually see this tweet as being horrible but yeah, he's known to get pretty fucking mad, this seems like a joke though
This dramatuber is probably playing up Hine's reputation
Seems like Bethesda jumped the gun in announcing Elder Scrolls VI in 2018, if they didn't want the hype cycle to be premature then they should have just waited tbh.
I don't believe TES VI was even mentioned in that tweet exchange... Wasn't that about Starfield?
I Thought I was the only one who felt this way about YY. Thank god.
I don't mind him, but its usually negative and jumping on the next drama. I'll give Jim more credit, he's highly entertaining and funny. Even Jim keeps beating dead horses, but can also come across in a humble way.
Every time Fall out 76 or Bethesda do something to cause drama, I know YY will have a video soon. Jim is now just taking the piss, making fun of himself, his viewers, gamers, you tubers etc.
Either way, I appreciate both their time and effort for the work they do, watched more of them during the pandemic.
I don't mind him, but its usually negative and jumping on the next drama. I'll give Jim more credit, he's highly entertaining and funny. Even Jim keeps beating dead horses, but can also come across in a humble way.
Every time Fall out 76 or Bethesda do something to cause drama, I know YY will have a video soon. Jim is now just taking the piss, making fun of himself, his viewers, gamers, you tubers etc.
Either way, I appreciate both their time and effort for the work they do, watched more of them during the pandemic.
Yeah I used to watch him but he reports in a very sensationalist way.
i know its kinda hard to tell whats a joke and what isnt on the internet, but that was obviously a joke
It's kind of true. People don't seem to have any idea how long it takes to make these huge games. On top of that, development studios probably don't want to finish up a game then immediately start on the same thing over again. I kind of hate the entitlement gamers have over sequels. Half-Life 3 being the biggest example. People having a go at a studio for a decade a half for not making a game they had no interest in making.
if you run a drama channel you work with what you've got. sometimes it's legit stuff like a company using denuvo, other times its ginned up outrage about a developer having a human response to whining on twitter.
yawn.
To be fair, both Bethesda and Valve could have been way clearer in their communication about sequel expectations.
Oh I'm not defending Bethesda at all, I think they're one of the worst companies around. I'm just saying fans can be the worst.
He's covered this (many times) before. When he produces positive content, people do not watch.
YongYea managed to be a low point in the one game I know he's provided a voice for, and that game already had a mostly 'aspiring' cast of voice actors (Including Jim Sterling, interestingly enough).
Downfall, by Harvester games by the way, in case anyone is interested.
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Also, I apologize for making this thread, I didn't know that YongYea and Jim Sterling are not good people to watch on YouTube for gaming.
Generally I would agree but in this case I don't think the fan deserved a reply like that for what was clearly a lighthearted comment/joke.
For one thing, because there's so much "sponsored content" out there that the positive stuff ends up sort of melding into it.
That said, people do watch positive content--see SuperEyePatchWolf as an example of a well-to-do, largely positive youtuber--but it generally has to be removed from the hype cycle. That is to say, retrospectives or deep dives, rather than the sort of cursory "yep folks, FF7R is good" stuff you get around release.
I'm not that bothered by ES6 or when it releases, but I can't understand why fans are being called 'impossible' for expecting footage 9 years after ESV, and 2 years after the formal announcement of ES6.
Like, would anyone have predicted in 2011 that we wouldn't see the new one until at least 2022? I don't think so.
Just looks like a classic case of botched comms.
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As I've said, I apologize for making this thread, I didn't know that YongYea and Jim Sterling are not good people to watch on YouTube for gaming.
Ugh, stop watching drama tube, OP. It literally adds nothing to the discussion.
If you want to debate the tweet (and there really isn't anything to discuss, maybe the overzealous attitude of some "fans") link it directly and put forward your thoughts on it.
Those videos all try to wind up controversies because they earn them clicks, and thus, money.
If you want to debate the tweet (and there really isn't anything to discuss, maybe the overzealous attitude of some "fans") link it directly and put forward your thoughts on it.
Those videos all try to wind up controversies because they earn them clicks, and thus, money.
It certainly is a name that seems to come up a lot when people talk about YouTubers that constantly try to create drama and toxicity...
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YongYea's entire shtick is catering the Gamer Rage for views and money. He shows obvious favouritism towards certain companies and franchises, which align with the companies that he'll likely catch his own hate for if he questioned them and, like this video, will use any opportunity to add fuel to his Gamers Rise up bonfire.
Even his thumbnails are purposely inciteful, and spin the story to fit his agenda.
Him and his viewers can live in their bubble, but I would never consider his videos to be "respectable industry news" of any type. It's the Youtube equivalent of a tabloid newspaper, but without the Page 3 Girl.
This tweet deserved a quote tweet, not a 15 minute video micro-analysing everything Bethesda has ever said about Star Field and Elder Scrolls 6.
Even his thumbnails are purposely inciteful, and spin the story to fit his agenda.
Him and his viewers can live in their bubble, but I would never consider his videos to be "respectable industry news" of any type. It's the Youtube equivalent of a tabloid newspaper, but without the Page 3 Girl.
This tweet deserved a quote tweet, not a 15 minute video micro-analysing everything Bethesda has ever said about Star Field and Elder Scrolls 6.
Hey man, you can and should watch whatever you want (and I honestly don't think YongYea is even close to being on the same level as Jim Sterling, who actually does have worthwhile insight at times), I just don't really see how his regurgitation of the big Reddit Outrage of the Day adds anything to any discussion ever.
It's a big circlejerk. Reddit gets mad about something, Drama Youtubers feed off of the outrage by simply quoting exactly what Reddit is already mad about without any new insights or worthwile perspectives, Reddit gets excited that a big Youtuber is on their side, rinse and repeat.
This is some real cynical stuff coming out of Hines to be honest. It's almost as if FO76 has left them very rattled.
Valve deserved the frustration for that, even though I think it's overstated (HL3 became more of a meme than real outrage at some point). They told a story that was unresolved, and then "lost interest" in finishing it for over a decade. I think fans of the series had a right to be annoyed by that.
You don't need to apologize for liking what you like, and considering some of the vapid threads that get created here, a video about something that actually happened with Pete Hines is fine. In fact, I think there's even been a thread about this exchange already.
I don't particularly like YongYea, but at worst he's a pretty harmless muckraker who just makes videos about whatever the day's big gaming industry drama was. Channels like "Inside Gaming" largely do the same thing.
I'm forever impressed by how these subreddits think it's fine to attack developers, send death threats, complain about everything but as soon as a developer says something quasi-negative about them suddenly it's capital D Drama and they should be publicly shamed for their 8 word tweet.
I do think there's a conversation to be had about reasonable tone for professional Twitter interactions, but it probably doesn't include YongYea, admittedly.
They were very clear indeed what they were doing when they revealed Starfield and TESVI- they were showing a roadmap for what the studio had for the foreseeable, both projects were years away, and TES was in the pipeline after Starfield.
Expecting footage any time soon when the studio's got a new IP coming out first which they also haven't revealed yet IS an impossible expectation.
I'd generally expect a gap of three or four years between each of their games being revealed. If you told me that they were doing a new Fallout and a new IP after Skyrim, I'd have been surprised to see the next Elder Scrolls even by that point.
I don't necessarily disagree. They wanted to get away from people asking where the next Elder Scrolls is, but all they've really done is trade it in for people asking to see the next Elder Scrolls.
Where is all these "Fuck he sucks as content creator" posts when we get latest Sterling thread about latest drama and outrage he is drumming up by making issues seem life or death?
Sterling may cover less things like Hines yet again being bad at PR, but he isn't above that either.
I guess my point is that like Yea he also strives on making drama blow up yet he is large part adored here.
Sterling may cover less things like Hines yet again being bad at PR, but he isn't above that either.
I guess my point is that like Yea he also strives on making drama blow up yet he is large part adored here.
He's not that harmless, he encourages the worst in gamers, and it's pretty obvious if you look at what he targets and what he doesn't. Despite making multiple videos if CDPR sneezes about Cyberpunk, he did not make a single video about the transphobic tweeting their Twitter was doing, he was however able to do 5 videos about Jessica Price at Area net controversy which led to her and her co worker getting fired. It's obvious the audience he's catering to and it's not harmless
They ported it to every console under the sun and made bank on it, management doesn't care about a new game if they can milk the previous one like this.
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