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Best villain in Star Trek?
- Thread starter Ichthyosaurus
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I said the Borg because they affect the show a lot more. Khan was in one episode and a movie and never mentioned outside that. And the other movie with Khan doesn't even have that much. The Borg were in TNG and a movie and Voyager. They affected a main character (picard) more than any other event in the series.
The cheese that Neelix made that tried to take over the ship?
Kidding, any answer that is not Khan is wrong.
Kidding, any answer that is not Khan is wrong.
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He's easily the best villain. Christopher Plummer acted his ass off with Chang
Poor Dukat. An awesome villain with an interesting end as all his plans went to hell... and then they spent two seasons systemically reducing his character to a cartoon.
I'd personally go with Q, because I think he's really the apotheosis of the kind of antagonists that make Star Trek more unique—he's not really evil, but he's super-powerful and impish and so there's a danger inherent every time he shows up, because ultimately there's nothing you can do about him. In some respects Star Trek is a show about what it's like for people when a character like The Doctor from Doctor Who isn't around—he's not there for however long doing his own thing, and then suddenly he shows up and upsets your world, then disappears just as soon.
I've got my issues with Discovery on all fronts, but the most unforgivable is they still haven't bothered making Starfleet security any less of a joke. It's just such laziness.
I'd personally go with Q, because I think he's really the apotheosis of the kind of antagonists that make Star Trek more unique—he's not really evil, but he's super-powerful and impish and so there's a danger inherent every time he shows up, because ultimately there's nothing you can do about him. In some respects Star Trek is a show about what it's like for people when a character like The Doctor from Doctor Who isn't around—he's not there for however long doing his own thing, and then suddenly he shows up and upsets your world, then disappears just as soon.
I've got my issues with Discovery on all fronts, but the most unforgivable is they still haven't bothered making Starfleet security any less of a joke. It's just such laziness.
It's amazing how many security officers get KNOCKED OUT simply by being pushed down. I was watching Lonely Among Us TNG and this medical dude gets knocked back. He lays there for the rest of the scene but starts to come to just as the scene is ending. At least Crusher had the sense to ask if hes okay as shes helping Worf out the door.
Other times one person gets knocked down and the other security immediately rush to their side instead of, you know, firing on the thing that's attacking them.
Or people are so slow in firing their weapons because they have to let the bad guy win cuz it's in the script.
So dumb. Aaargh
I chose the Dominion. I think they caused the largest ripple effect. They literally made Starfleet transition to a militaristic organization. Changed the way they made their ships.
The Borg almost got Starfleet to this point, but the Dominion pushed them over.
The Borg almost got Starfleet to this point, but the Dominion pushed them over.
I love the scenes of capturing Wesley in "The Game" because it simultaneously shows the goofy incompetence of the security officers (no security cameras so Wesley can just set an auto firing phaser as a decoy) but also they act more clever than they ever usually are with enemies (they isolate him with forcefields and use his body heat to track him.)
The poll is borked — either restrict it to individuals or to races.
Technically, the Klingons were the best villains because they had Kor, Koloth, Kang, (also a special shout-out to Korax) Duras Sisters, Chang, Christopher Lloyd, Gowron and Alexander
Technically, the Klingons were the best villains because they had Kor, Koloth, Kang, (also a special shout-out to Korax) Duras Sisters, Chang, Christopher Lloyd, Gowron and Alexander
The Borg are the best from a narrative point of view.
They are a harsh mirror held up to the idealism of the Federation. They preach unity, peace and the importance of a common purpose. All it costs is your individuality, your freedom and your consent.
The Dominion tread this same path, but they weren't handled as effectively. If they had played up the nature of the Dominion as an alliance of many species, each filling their purpose for the greater whole, and how that can be twisted, it would have been more effective.
Q takes another tack and is more successful, simply because the question is more explicit: Is the Federation, and specifically Humanity, worthy of existence? In the presence of a god, should you have to justify your right to be, and could you even do so if you wanted to?
Star Trek is at it's best when it is engaged in a battle of ideals, when the principles of the societies it presents are attacked.
They are a harsh mirror held up to the idealism of the Federation. They preach unity, peace and the importance of a common purpose. All it costs is your individuality, your freedom and your consent.
The Dominion tread this same path, but they weren't handled as effectively. If they had played up the nature of the Dominion as an alliance of many species, each filling their purpose for the greater whole, and how that can be twisted, it would have been more effective.
Q takes another tack and is more successful, simply because the question is more explicit: Is the Federation, and specifically Humanity, worthy of existence? In the presence of a god, should you have to justify your right to be, and could you even do so if you wanted to?
Star Trek is at it's best when it is engaged in a battle of ideals, when the principles of the societies it presents are attacked.
I just finished Voyager with my daughter and it kinda nerfed the Borg That and the movie for introducing the Borg Queen. I liked them better as a faceless horde.
Dominion is better, after the changes. Shapeshifters make the Federation so, so paranoid, and their military, along with the Cardassians, cost them many, many ships and casualties.
Dominion is better, after the changes. Shapeshifters make the Federation so, so paranoid, and their military, along with the Cardassians, cost them many, many ships and casualties.
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I cant believe Dukat has so many votes!!! He's just so fascinating. Loved the Dominion as well but he got my vote.
Kai Winn...ugh. At least Dukat could be somewhat charming in his own evil way. Winn on the other hand was just loathsome. I couldn't stand listening to the pretentious way she talked.
Captain Kathryn Janeway
- Intentionally stranded her crew
- Refused to act on technology to get her crew home (They could have just used that warp 10 drive, and had the doctor de-salamander everyone when they got back)
- Murdered a man in cold blood who was pleading for his life
- Caused the extinction of this guy's race because she gave biological weapons to the Borg
- Wiped out an entire timeline because she couldn't deal with the loss of 3 people who's names were int he opening credits. Screw all those other people who died. Screw all the children who ill never be born, like Naomi Wildman's child.
- Intentionally stranded her crew
- Refused to act on technology to get her crew home (They could have just used that warp 10 drive, and had the doctor de-salamander everyone when they got back)
- Murdered a man in cold blood who was pleading for his life
- Caused the extinction of this guy's race because she gave biological weapons to the Borg
- Wiped out an entire timeline because she couldn't deal with the loss of 3 people who's names were int he opening credits. Screw all those other people who died. Screw all the children who ill never be born, like Naomi Wildman's child.