She made the mistake of attempting to make Medicare 4 All actionable and everyone hated her for it
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Bernie Sanders surges into national lead and also leads among voters of color (in CNN poll).
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Can we get Greta Thunberg? Half the planet would have a stroke and we'd all be much happier
Thanks for the quick response. Guess that makes some sense when you see how Buttigieg moved up. Obviously he ate away someone else's base.
Single you out? I quoted one post and then you followed up with multiple posts to me telling me I said or inferred Warren should drop out when I didn't say that. If you would like me to drop it I will, I didn't think engaging you in this conversation was singling you out. I didn't accuse you of being anti semtic either. I think a lots happening and youre not really reading my posts clearly.
1. I never said warren should drop out (she is easily my number 2 and I like her)
2. I never accused you of being antisemtic. But you literally said he should drop out in order for him to support a woman (because women as you said it are under represented and largely discriminated against). But Bernie is Jewish and I think that matters for representation as well, and I don't think its a good idea to be trying to rank which group should drop out to help the other out in a race in the first place.
3. I'm not shutting down any one. I just think you should reconsider your position because its a bit tenuous and a little dismissive of the struggles of the Jewish community (I don't think this was your intention).
I'm more than happy to disengage if you would prefer and you can PM me if you want to discuss anything further. Or we can post here its totally up to you.
One would think Warren is 'the one' if one spent all their time on ERA. The truth is in the numbers. Warren had a great few months in the polling when she had unsustainably good media coverage and none of the other candidates went on the attack against her. A better campaign and candidate would have taken full advantage of that momentum and rode it to Iowa.
Truth is that her new support was very soft and not 'true' the way Sanders and Biden have true support. The second she got a bad news cycle (which was going to happen eventually, there was no running from it) and candidates went on the offensive, ten full points vanished from her polling in an instant. Months later, she hasn't been able to recover. She just doesn't have the ability to weather criticism the way Sanders and Biden do, and they've had multiple bad news cycles. We can talk about if there's sexism at play, but the numbers demonstrate that she doesn't have long term viability. I'd worry greatly for her in a general election setting where every good press cycle comes with four bad ones.
At some point, she became synonymous with being extreme on healthcare/taxes than Bernie without the same solidity of platform around healthcare (even though not accurate. She's referenced much more on the subject than Bernie amongst moderate/conservative people I know. This is anecdotal). Bernie I think has been seen to be very consistent. Outside that general perception of electability. It's been a bit of a curse. I think the only reason Biden has any real poll support is for that reason. It's that desperation for a candidate that can win vs the excitement of any real change.
So what does she need to do to pull ahead? Or is it a lost cause? I'm not even American so I don't have any actual say, but I desperately want her to win. A woman in the White House would change so much, but it seems like the consensus on this site at least is she should just give up, drop out and hope Sanders lets her work for him.
Which is frankly insulting but whatever.
I can only speak for my home but I know when watching that debate I was hyping up Warren all day to my wife. When those Medicare for All questions came up about how she would fund it and she kept dodging my wife looked over at me and said "I don't like her. Why can't she just say yes or no?". I think shortly before that Bernie admitted to having to raise taxes and then tried to soften that news with cost savings on things like copays and stuff.
Either way it's still early and nobody is dropping out yet. Lots can still change.
It's a bad matchup either way because neither makes up for each others' weaknesses.
Thank you for all this information. I'm not convinced that polling well against Trump will automatically translate to better chances at winning, but this definitely gives me more perspective.
tbf she took a hit in the polls after publishing her m4a implementation plan, not when she later talked about a multi-year transition from a public option after getting slammed for trying to plot a specific m4a plan.
She would ultimately back off, but that was in response to her dropping numbers.
Can't. It has to be someone eligible to be president, and she isn't.
By that I meant, when I see her on TV, she looks head-and-shoulders above the rest of them. Tough, intelligent... even presidential. Looks younger than her 70 years in contrast to Biden and Sanders who look like they would struggle to make it through one term, let alone two.
At this point, she needs to win Iowa and probably NH. Don't think there is anything she can do to pull ahead until then.
I'm fine with a Sanders presidency and would gladly vote for him, but I also understand that he'll get none of his agenda done (to be fair, Warren wouldn't get much of her agenda done either). Hopefully his supporters won't be too politically disillusioned once they come to that realization a couple years into a Sanders adminstration.
At this point, my main desire is to get Trump out of office and to overturn his agenda. I'll vote for anyone who can do that. A truly progressive agenda is a huge bonus, with the caveat that enacting it to a large degree is very unlikely.
At this point, my main desire is to get Trump out of office and to overturn his agenda. I'll vote for anyone who can do that. A truly progressive agenda is a huge bonus, with the caveat that enacting it to a large degree is very unlikely.
Nuclear power step aside!
But yeah, if Bernie wins the primary then he deserves it and should win the general. I don't understand the tears about Bernie's potential success. It still needs to be said though that Biden is still way more likely to win.
She will be eligible next election.
Bernie/Warren 2020
Warren/AOC 2024
AOC 2028
This. Bernie's been in the media a lot lately, but let's see where the numbers are in a few weeks.
She has to pull off a win in Iowa, which would give her momentum and shift the media narrative in her favor since it would be a massive upset. She almost reached Biden's numbers at one point earlier on before her support started to splinter, but a victory might allow her to put the coalition back together by peeling off Bernie voters and demonstrating that Biden is vulnerable.
Short of that, she probably won't go anywhere unless Bernie suddenly drops out from another health scare or something.
Sanders/Tlaib 2020.
I don't think this is it exactly. I think it's more that younger career Dems (Pete, Booker, Harris being the most notable examples) built their resumes through avenues which are now extremely unpopular now and they're less credible when they tried pivoting to issues of social justice. They got lagged behind because the party was pushed left.
Can the title be updated to reflect that this is, so far, a single national poll and not a polling lead backed up by multiple polls? (I say this not to toss a wet blanket on people's excitement, but we should make sure we're looking at the big picture. His polls are trending upwards, and this poll is reflective of that. But he's not, on average, in the lead just yet.)
I support this series of events and the resulting new timeline.
incredible
I'm not sure why some folks think that if Biden wins Iowa then it's "all over". This isn't 2016, and Biden ain't Hillary.
This, to me, is the conventionally "smart choice", but we will see if/when it happens.
Hmmm who do I trust, someone on a forum or pollsters who admit their polling was bad?
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Warren is getting destroyed right now for being thought as untruthful. Her unwillingly to admit you need to raise taxes on the middle class for her progressive policies is a big negative on her and put a bullseye on her back. Now everything she says or said is coming back to haunt her.
She has good ideas and policies but her obsession with identity politics have hurt her extremely. She doesn't need to "live the situation" to understand the problem. Being dishonest about it won't help when its so easy to fact check these days.
She has good ideas and policies but her obsession with identity politics have hurt her extremely. She doesn't need to "live the situation" to understand the problem. Being dishonest about it won't help when its so easy to fact check these days.
Warren needs to back out and endorse Bernie Sanders. Or right after Iowa. It's time, Liz. If she wants a left agenda, Sanders shares 99% of her domestic policies. The alternative is Joe Biden, who has much less in common with her policy-wise.
God. Damn. Bernie. Bros!
God. Damn. Bernie. Bros!
Good luck arguing that state level polling wasn't inaccurate.
Where has she "obsessed" with identity politics any more than every other candidate running? How is it a detriment?
Hell, the main stem of her campaign messaging is about rooting out the corruption in Washington. What does that have to do with identity politics?
You shouldn't trust anyone! Especially not yourself! So, that part where you ask who you should trust? My goodness, you've already fallen for the trap. You can't even begin to trust others, when trusting, by its very definition, requires you to trust your own ability to have trust enough to trust others. Trust me, I am wholly trustworthy when it comes to the matter of trust.
I said which ones, I never said they weren't wrong. How did you see that as arguing?
I hope she can pull it off, then. If Bernie wins, there won't be a woman fighting for the White House for at least another eight years.
Reagan issued hundreds (381), not thousands, and still falls near the top of the list, along with Bill Clinton (364).
The only president to have issued *thousands* is FDR, who was president for almost 16 years and had to manage both the Great Depression and WWII.
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