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Bernie Sanders surges into national lead and also leads among voters of color (in CNN poll).
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Yup. I hope I win but more for the hope in out society reasons than anything else lol
thanks for being a good sport
Yeah this is my line of thinking right now. But years from now? It will literally become necessary and everyone in washington will know it, to maintain our current economic system unless a dem led government makes big changes to it. and that's a lot less likely to happen given the US track record of waiting until disaster strikes to make changes IE another great recession or even a depression. UBI we be like life support for the brand of capitalism we have here in the US. It will keep the status quo going for x amount of years.
If you straight up give up the fight on the overton window and allow rhetoric to be shaped by right-wingers exclusively, leftists will lose every single future election ever.
Anyway I'm pretty sure the Dems would literally rather lose than nominate an actual progressive. Hope I'm proven wrong.
It's been reported by the Intercept that he was looking into whether she could be VP and treasury secretary but that was before their little tiff. I wonder if she would even want that.
Seems fair to exclude single-digit candidates from debates at this stage, yes. Probably a few of the previous rounds as well. Realistically, no matter how good the ideas that those candidates might have and no matter how much money they might be able to throw around, polling on 5% less than two weeks before in-person voting begins when there's candidates polling above 20% isn't a winning position.
I'm not sure I'd ever agree that they shouldn't be on the ballot though. That seems like it'd give pollsters a real opportunity to do some very shady things.
In terms of political effectiveness in office, you're absolutely correct. Warren would be better in a different position, and having her as VP would be kind of a waste.
However, if it gets them into office that might be worth it. Having Warren as VP would send several clear messages - it'd show that Sanders can work with opponents, it'd make Warren the first woman to be VP (it's nowhere near what she or her supporters want, but it's still a step forward), and it'd give Sanders a high-profile surrogate. It'd make it clear to Democrats that the party supporters wanted progressive politics. In a sensible world it would also prevent the accusations of sexism against Sanders, but...this isn't a sensible world, so the most it might do there would be to lower the volume of those accusations. Overall, the perceptual effect on the campaign might be worth having even if the executive results weren't.
I don't think Sanders will would go with Warren as candidate for VP - I think he'd pick someone else and then later think about what kind of role Warren might play in a Sanders presidency. I also agree with you that VP wouldn't be the most effective way for Warren to spend the next four to eight years. However, if the ticket ended up that way, it could end up being a good idea anyway.
Not necessarily. Bernie has talked about possibly having VP having the additional role as Secretary of treasury. The president really sets the bar for how much power the VP has. Look at Bush! Cheney was the one running the country.
That SurveyUSA poll is not great. Not least of which because it severely oversampled people under 50 years old--in that poll 56% of respondents were 18-49, when in a Presidential Election year it's closer to 40-45% and in a midterm year it's below 40%. A full 31% of the people polled were in the 18-34 category, which is the least politically engaged age group there is--there's no evidence that age group could even clear 20% of the electorate in an election, 18-30 was 19% in 2012 and 2016, and 18% in 2008. Unless we're about to see a tsunami of 31-34 year olds, I have a hard time taking those results seriously.
This data is portentous.
According to the Consult's methodology, the '... "Super Tuesday Voters" demographic consists of 4,073 voters in Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont and Virginia, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 1 point.'
It's a very good result for Bernie with an exceptional confidence level.
And so, if Bernie does particularly well in the early states, and then holds those numbers, or better, leading up to (or on) Super Tuesday, we are going to see fireworks...
Definitely! With you there and hoping for the best.
It's more about anticipation. Of course right wingers will always attack the democratic candidate and accuse them of being socialist or whatever other word that they find demeaning. And those attacks generally do work which is why they keep relying on them. It is just my personal opinion that it would be harder for republicans to attack and label Warren effectively compared to Sanders.
This. It's why Klobuchar getting the push from so many directions annoying as fuck.
Yup.
I still don't get why everyone is going crazy over Abrams except for the fact she black, a women and young. I'd hope he'd pick someone that aligns more with him since a VP would have the best chance to succeed a president and I don't want to move too far back.
They already attack and label Warren. She lied about her indigenous heritage since the 80's and wound up with a lot of egg on her face over the DNA test. Trump already frequently calls her "Pocahontas" and I think that will be her undoing.
She's incredibly smart and passionate. She has great positions on the issues, and could excite voters in a region Democrats could use a boost in--GA/NC/FL. She's an incredibly charismatic candidate who basically only lost because of election fraud in Georgia. Also, she is really involved with grass roots organizations that have far reaching GOTV efforts.
I just don't think that those are effective attacks. Of course Warren messed up by acknowledging them.
There is very little point in deciding against a candidate because "Republicans will attack him". Republicans will literally attack every candidate who ends up as the nominee.
Good campaigning can overcome those kinds of attacks.
A candidate's worth should not be judged by how the opposition media will attack them. Their worth comes from how they campaign and how they sell their message.
I don't get how you can say that when H Clinton (one of the most controversial modern politicians) won the popular vote and almost won the election.
I'd like Barbara Lee, the only real knock against her is that she's not young. With warmongering over Iran potentially being a big story this year I think she'd be a great pick to point to and say "she's been right about this shit this entire time"
it's a good thing Bernie gives non-voters a reason to turn out and also polls better against Trump than Clinton ever did.
This is reassuring news. I'd absolutely prefer Warren but Sanders is a close consolation. Either of them over Biden.
I hope you're right but I doubt America will ever elect someone who's said the things he has on socialism. Especially when the airwaves get bombarded.
To me, it's a primary. It's not an official election, it's just the current mechanism for how two parties in our current system choose their candidate for the actual election. The parties themselves should be able to make the rules for how their candidate is chosen and if they want tighter restrictions (through whatever means, it doesn't have to be strictly driven by polls of course) then so be it I guess. Anyone should be able to run for President if they meet the constitutional requirements but the parties should be free to decide their own candidate any way they want.
I think really the only way we do it this way is because it keeps your potential candidates in the news cycle for two years and the media loves the long horse race.
Yeah, that's the major problem here. Biden has more upside to the stragglers dropping out.
My god imagine the VP going on TV and calling for the president to be assassinated.
Biden's campaign is a walking shambling corpse and Bernie needs to keep on climbing. There's no way a campaign that has been described as
By guy who constantly loves to write about trump county Robert Leonard can maintain any enthusiasm and bring a democratic win.
By guy who constantly loves to write about trump county Robert Leonard can maintain any enthusiasm and bring a democratic win.
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