Bernie Sanders says opposing Biden is ‘irresponsible’

[GP2020]

I'll vote down ballot but I'm not voting for Biden and I'm sure as shit not going to reward a party that's insulted me and my positions constantly for the past five years. I refuse to vote for a return to the normalcy that got us Trump in the first place, the same "normalcy" that has fucked me over for the past 30 years. A third of my life has been shit due to failed economic and social policies (on the left and right). I'm not getting any of that back and it fucking sucks.

If a vote for green is a vote for Trump in a contested state, then consider me a Trump voter because I'd rather get past Trump and let the pendulum swing far left in 2024, hoping that either green party gets their federal funding or dems finally get the fucking message than vote for Biden in 2020 only for it to swing even further right in response in 2024.

 

[JABEE]

I can't say I agree. I don't think all his followers are, but I absolutely think at least a fairly vocal amount of his followers are no different than red hats. Obviously not policy wise, but in the ride or die mindset.

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I supported Bernie Sanders because of the ideas he said he stood for. It wasn't a cult of personality.

 

[Deleted member 6949]

No shit to anyone with half a brain cell.

You either work with us to push the country back on track and vote for Biden or you are a Trump supporting fool.

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Or you are a person Joe Biden raped.

 

[adj_noun]

If a vote for green is a vote for Trump in a contested state, then consider me a Trump voter

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Agreed.

 

[Cyclonesweep]

i'm just going to say it outright.

as a victim, i can't cope with the reality i'm living in where my choices are between two rapists. i can't cope with the reality that no one cares about victims until it's politically convenient for them. this morning i cried over the fact that this is the choice i have to make. i don't want to live in this reality. i want to go somewhere else. why doesn't anyone care? why won't someone do something? why can't it be anyone but a rapist? am i irresponsible for wanting a general where i don't vote for a rapist?

i don't know. i'm tired. this world is evil. so evil. i don't think i can do it. i think if i try voting for biden, i'm just going to have a panic attack at the polls.

i'm sorry.

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Maybe it's time to move?
I say this with as much passion as I can. Move somewhere that isn't so fucked like this. Canada has its problems but you don't have to choose which rapist gets to lead you.

 

[stump sock]

Right above this thread: "Trump just announced he's halting WHO funding while a review happens"

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I don't know how anybody can see shit like this and not realize what not voting means

 

[Deleted member 2620]

Brie's in the right, and it should be zero surprise that many of those that supported Bernie's campaign disagree with him on this

 

[Deleted member 18821]

The man is a symbol for how the system doesn't give the slightest fuck what you want/think. The democratic party itself should be opposing this rapist, and instead you have Sanders himself backing him. I'm well aware that orange child is far worse, but I don't see a point in shaming people into voting anymore. Radical change is needed at this point in America. The system is not going to be fixed itself.

 

[PassiveObserver]

Christ what a bubble. You're completely disconnected from any form of reality.

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I'm reading this poster thinking the same about its author. Man some people would really prefer Trump in office for 4 more years so they can be seen as principled. Now is not the fucking time,

 

[Jecht]

I'll vote down ballot but I'm not voting for Biden and I'm sure as shit not going to reward a party that's insulted me and my positions constantly for the past five years. I refuse to vote for a return to the normalcy that got us Trump in the first place, the same "normalcy" that has fucked me over for the past 30 years. A third of my life has been shit due to failed economic and social policies (on the left and right). I'm not getting any of that back and it fucking sucks.

If a vote for green is a vote for Trump in a contested state, then consider me a Trump voter because I'd rather get past Trump and let the pendulum swing far left in 2024, hoping that either green party gets their federal funding or dems finally get the fucking message than vote for Biden in 2020 only for it to swing even further right in response in 2024.

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100% agree.

 

[Lentic]

I don't think it's fair to shame people who don't feel comfortable voting for a rapist. We've had numerous threads about it at this point and I thought we had agreed that shaming people either way was not acceptable.

 

[Cyclonesweep]

If the high horse is not voting for a rapist then I'm pretty good on that horse brother.

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Your not voting enables a different rapist to win. A guy who actively pushes other rapists and racists into positions of power.

 

[RedMercury]

did he stutter?

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I just want to hear the words. So many people are comfortable lumping them in with everyone like they don't matter but so few people are willing to own that.

 

[thoughthaver]

Christ what a bubble. You're completely disconnected from any form of reality.

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Fucking what?

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apologies for that. the awful shit will continue but we're gonna put a pretty blue bow on it so its fine now and if you complain about it you are a trump supporter.

 

[Deleted member 7051]

all the awful shit going on under trump is just gonna continue under biden but now its gonna be done by a guy with a D next to his name. and that's all that really matters.

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I think that's a bit overly dramatic. Biden isn't Trump and he won't be surrounded by the kind of people Trump is. Getting Biden in the White House would be a dramatic improvement over keeping Trump in it and, if Americans can manage it, maybe the Democrats will get control of the Senate and begin enacting real change.

I mean, if I'm being blunt, this pandemic has kinda proven that States only have to listen to the president when they agree with him or her. Trump may wield "absolute" power over the federal government but he seems to have basically no real power over the States themselves.

 

[Clowns]

I don't think it's fair to shame people who don't feel comfortable voting for a rapist. We've had numerous threads about it at this point and I thought we had agreed that shaming people either way was not acceptable.

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Report Sanders to the mods then.

 

[Richter1887]

This just made me glad I am not American.

God what a mess this has been. People had the power to not give the nomie to a racist rapist like Biden. But of course, he is "safe" so lets push for him.

Not only is the media broken, but people themselves don't give a fuck.
How the fuck do you fuck up so badly two times in a row? Hillary then Biden.

 

[Kyra]

Lets just say Biden wins November. What can we realistically do to held Biden accountable? I doubt Democrats are going to Impeach Biden.

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Not likely but look at how old he is. He could very likely be a one term president. I hope his VP is solid because i could really go for a situation where he grooms his VP to take over. Saying he could only be a one term doesn't make his allegations any less serious but honestly it doesn't make this election less serious either.

 

[Deleted member 3294]

If you see that as a bad thing...I don't know what to tell you. It reads to me like people were in on not letting Trump win that election and at least were posting to her direct website for information.

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From what I've seen and heard of GAF back then: the support for Hillary was way more than that.

You know, enough to be one of the biggest referrers to her website.

 

[Muad'dib]

I'll vote down ballot but I'm not voting for Biden and I'm sure as shit not going to reward a party that's insulted me and my positions constantly for the past five years. I refuse to vote for a return to the normalcy that got us Trump in the first place, the same "normalcy" that has fucked me over for the past 30 years. A third of my life has been shit due to failed economic and social policies (on the left and right). I'm not getting any of that back and it fucking sucks.

If a vote for green is a vote for Trump in a contested state, then consider me a Trump voter because I'd rather get past Trump and let the pendulum swing far left in 2024, hoping that either green party gets their federal funding or dems finally get the fucking message than vote for Biden in 2020 only for it to swing even further right in response in 2024.

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Thinking that America will swing hard left post Trump is naive, when America didn't even swing hard left after Reagan and Reaganomics, it stayed hard right.

 

[Heromanz]

Your not voting enables a different rapist to win. A guy who actively pushes other rapists and racists into positions of power.

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My not voting means that I approve of 0 rapist. If the parties want me to vote next time maybe don't choose two rapist.

 

[Deleted member 24149]

Maybe it's time to move?
I say this with as much passion as I can. Move somewhere that isn't so fucked like this. Canada has its problems but you don't have to choose which rapist gets to lead you.

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Are you fucking serious with this shit?

 

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so is rape

 

[AniHawk]

Fucking what?

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both sides are they same. couldn't you tell going from bush to obama to trump?

 

[Mar Tuuk]

It's irresponsible to not hear out sexual assault allegations

 

[lowmelody]

i'm just going to say it outright.

as a victim, i can't cope with the reality i'm living in where my choices are between two rapists. i can't cope with the reality that no one cares about victims until it's politically convenient for them. this morning i cried over the fact that this is the choice i have to make. i don't want to live in this reality. i want to go somewhere else. why doesn't anyone care? why won't someone do something? why can't it be anyone but a rapist? am i irresponsible for wanting a general where i don't vote for a rapist?

i don't know. i'm tired. this world is evil. so evil. i don't think i can do it. i think if i try voting for biden, i'm just going to have a panic attack at the polls.

i'm sorry.

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It's a fucking twilight zone nightmare. It's not even too late to expose this fuck and send literally any other candidate but everyone is in a fucking trance that this rapist is inevitable by actively making it so. From Bidens peers to his fans, it's nothing but silence. I'm also at a complete loss and have nowhere to go or turn too. The party left me and it looks like communities that I felt safe are in a hurry to as well. I feel your pain.

 

[Volimar]

i'm just going to say it outright.

as a victim, i can't cope with the reality i'm living in where my choices are between two rapists. i can't cope with the reality that no one cares about victims until it's politically convenient for them. this morning i cried over the fact that this is the choice i have to make. i don't want to live in this reality. i want to go somewhere else. why doesn't anyone care? why won't someone do something? why can't it be anyone but a rapist? am i irresponsible for wanting a general where i don't vote for a rapist?

i don't know. i'm tired. this world is evil. so evil. i don't think i can do it. i think if i try voting for biden, i'm just going to have a panic attack at the polls.

i'm sorry.

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Then don't vote for him. Please try to vote downballot at least, though I'll understand if you can't take part at all.

 

[Deleted member 8860]

all the awful shit going on under trump is just gonna continue under biden but now its gonna be done by a guy with a D next to his name. and that's all that really matters.

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Don't worry. Biden will make sure the cages for migrant children are a little bigger, the weapon sales to oppressive regimes come with a finger wag, and the Earth becomes uninhabitable a couple years later than it would have under Trump. He's already shown us an ambitious Medicare expansion that knocks the enrollment age all the way down to 60!

(I'll still vote for the lesser evil, as I always do.)

 

[HardRojo]

Yeah not choosing a rapist duh.

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- Choice is between a rapist and a rapist
- One of the rapists is definitely swearing into office after all is said and done, there's no scenario where none of them is sworn into office
- Not voting at all actually benefits the rapist who you dislike the most (and no, this is not a I dislike boh equally scenario because both represent and stand for different things)
- Still, you decide not to vote knowing you're helping the worse rapist in this case

Very logical decision indeed, can't argue against that. If only it were possile to look at the bigger picture and also realize that you can still be highly critical of the rapist who'd do less damage to the country.

 

[Ryuelli]

Yes we are in the cult. A cult for healthcare for all. workers rights and of course having a climate that won't kill us in about 30 years.

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Great! I voted for Bernie too, so I agree with you. All those things are necessary. Unfortunately, Biden is going to be the nominee, 3rd parties might as well be irrelevant, and it's going to come down to Biden V Trump, with maybe random irrelevant 3rd party candidates appearing on the ballot in a few states (see: Gary Johnson and Jill Stein in 2016). Biden will objectively do less damage than Trump.

I'm all for a cult that pushes healthcare for all, workers rights, and methods for healing the climate, but it's clear that Bernie is not going to be the person to deliver those things to us. At this point, our best hope is to elect progressives in local and state governments and promote those changes on a smaller stage than Washington, at least for the next 4 years or so. Bernie's movement showed that many, many people in this country want those changes enacted now, so ideally in the next election cycle someone who can run a better campaign than Bernie will be able to do what he couldn't.

 

[GaimeGuy]

He's right. We are staring down the barrel, no, we are in the midst of fascism and genocide and a coup d'etat by conservatives.

 

[Xaszatm]

Not choosing helps Trump win. You really rather not vote, so Trump wins so you can sit on your high horse and say "not my problem i didn't vote"

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For the love of god it's not about the fucking high horse! If you really think browbeating victims who cannot vote for a rapist because of horrific mental trauma because said mental trauma turns even clicking a check a horrific affair (and before you go "but logic" TRAUMA ISN'T FUCKING LOGICAL) without doing harm then you are a fool.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

If the high horse is not voting for a rapist then I'm pretty good on that horse brother.

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But yet you seem to be perfectly fine with a corrupt, white nationalist, idiot, who also happens to be a serial rapist running the country.

 

[Pall Mall]

I'll vote down ballot but I'm not voting for Biden and I'm sure as shit not going to reward a party that's insulted me and my positions constantly for the past five years. I refuse to vote for a return to the normalcy that got us Trump in the first place, the same "normalcy" that has fucked me over for the past 30 years. A third of my life has been shit due to failed economic and social policies (on the left and right). I'm not getting any of that back and it fucking sucks.

If a vote for green is a vote for Trump in a contested state, then consider me a Trump voter because I'd rather get past Trump and let the pendulum swing far left in 2024, hoping that either green party gets their federal funding or dems finally get the fucking message than vote for Biden in 2020 only for it to swing even further right in response in 2024.

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Accelerationism is complete bunk. What makes you believe that another 4 years of Trump will make the 'pendulum swing far left'?

And if the green party was really trying to represent something, perhaps they should stop only being relevant when it's a presidential election. And even then, they're dubiously representative of actual progressive movements.

 

[xxracerxx]

From what I've seen and heard of GAF back then: the support for Hillary was way more than that.

You know, enough to be one of the biggest referrers to her website.

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So what was it like? Are you saying it was different than this election? What drove the traffic to Clinton's site?

People were in it to not let Trump win that election, things were heated sure, but people knew the consequences of Trump.

 

[Kilic95]

i'm just going to say it outright.

as a victim, i can't cope with the reality i'm living in where my choices are between two rapists. i can't cope with the reality that no one cares about victims until it's politically convenient for them. this morning i cried over the fact that this is the choice i have to make. i don't want to live in this reality. i want to go somewhere else. why doesn't anyone care? why won't someone do something? why can't it be anyone but a rapist? am i irresponsible for wanting a general where i don't vote for a rapist?

i don't know. i'm tired. this world is evil. so evil. i don't think i can do it. i think if i try voting for biden, i'm just going to have a panic attack at the polls.

i'm sorry.

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This is heartbreaking, no victim should have to say sorry

 

[Cyclonesweep]

Are you fucking serious with this shit?

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Telling someone who is having massive trouble coping with the political landscape in America who is literally saying they can't and might have a panic attack having to choose between the two at the polls, to move somewhere where this shit isn't so bad....is a bad thing? Are you fucking serious?

 

[FirMatt]

I fucking hate Biden but the damage that another four years of trump will be devastating. If you think its bad now, wait until four more fucking years of GOP control happens. Imagine how bad it will get for women's, LGBTQ and minority rights. Imagine the Supreme Court being stacked with conservatives.

We cannot afford to sit this fucking election out and allow Trump and the GOP another four years.

Fucking vote.

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Should have told that women, queer folk and folks of color, then. This is apparently what they wanted too, though I can scarcely understood why.

The way I see it, they betrayed any chance we had at a progressive future, so they csn reap the seeds sewn from whatever the outcome is in November. Clearly my progressive white male voice wasn't welcome, and our societal incentive structures make it pretty easy to just sit back at this point and let whatever happen, happen.

Trump is fucking embarrassing, but so is Biden. Neither make me feel any better about my future, and the folks who I thought needed my voice chose Biden instead and clearly don't want my input, so I wish them all the best of luck.

 

[dabig2]

To whom may I ask?

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almost literally anybody else. In a scenario where Joe steps down for being a lying rapist, I'd probably like to see a woman brought to the front at least. Warren, Klob, Harris or someone who didn't run - doesn't matter to me at this point. It just can't be a deplorable rapist. It can't be.

 

[Muad'dib]

FYI, it just shows how selfishly privileged and shortsighted some people are that another 4 years of Trump doesn't even bother them when it means keeping more kids in cages at the border, deporting more dreamers, people suffering more from worsening healthcare etc...etc...

 

[ZeoVGM]

apologies for that. the awful shit will continue but we're gonna put a pretty blue bow on it so its fine now and if you complain about it you are a trump supporter.

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This is still factually wrong.

 

[MegaBeefBowl]

i'm just going to say it outright.

as a victim, i can't cope with the reality i'm living in where my choices are between two rapists. i can't cope with the reality that no one cares about victims until it's politically convenient for them. this morning i cried over the fact that this is the choice i have to make. i don't want to live in this reality. i want to go somewhere else. why doesn't anyone care? why won't someone do something? why can't it be anyone but a rapist? am i irresponsible for wanting a general where i don't vote for a rapist?

i don't know. i'm tired. this world is evil. so evil. i don't think i can do it. i think if i try voting for biden, i'm just going to have a panic attack at the polls.

i'm sorry.

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Do not apologize.

America failed you.

 

[Sexy Fish]

I know the allegation against Biden is something that will be difficult for many to overcome. If more accusations (yes, I know about the previous inappropriate touching ones) and corroborating evidence come out he should step down as the nominee.

But the truth right now is that lives could get increasingly worse with a Republican supreme court majority. Roe V Wade? Gone. Expect impregnated rape victims to see dispicable laws either forcing them to give birth to the baby or other embarrassing protocols before a safe termination. Voting rights? Further eroded, making it more difficult for people of color, college students, and others to vote. Healthcare protections gone. Did the ACA go far enough? No. But a Public Option from Joe Biden will be a hell of a lot better than gutted preexisting conditions from Trump. It isn't universal healthcare but it's a fucking step.

Don't vote for Joe Biden. Vote for the idea of moving progressive policies forward. Because a protest vote for the green party or writing in Bernie isn't going to accomplish shit. And if you can't bring yourself to do it due to personal experiences, I understand. It's hard. I was molested as a child, but I was very young and it hasn't had a negative hold on my life like many people's assaults unfortunately do. I'm not voting for Biden because I want Joe Biden to be president. I'm voting for him because I know the alternative leaves a lot of people fucked that don't deserve it. And I'll complain when his administration fucks up and I'll protest but at least I know it is better than 4 more years of this fucking asshole destroying shit.

 

[Deleted member 2254]

Biden may not be your most ideal candidate, but if the country allows Trump to win instead, it's more fucked than I thought.

 

[Deleted member 3896]

I supported Bernie Sanders because of the ideas he said he stood for. It wasn't a cult of personality.

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Fortunately, he's bringing those ideas to Biden's campaign through the policy task force.

 

[Xando]

If the high horse is not voting for a rapist then I'm pretty good on that horse brother.

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Must be nice to live in a bubble that can make you feel good about supporting a fascist rapist instead of a democrat rapist.

 

[Deleted member 3294]

So what was it like? Are you saying it was different than this election? What drove the traffic to Clinton's site?

People were in it to not let Trump win that election, things were heated sure, but people knew the consequences of Trump.

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Let me put it like this: there were moderators with Hillary avatars.

 

[Fanto]

Telling someone who is having massive trouble coping with the political landscape in America who is literally saying they can't and might have a panic attack having to choose between the two at the polls, to move somewhere where this shit isn't so bad....is a bad thing? Are you fucking serious?

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Do you have any fucking idea how difficult it is for the average person to just up and move, let alone to a different city in their own state, but to an entirely new country? And telling this to someone who is opening about about being a victim? Jesus christ, get over yourself.

 

[AppleMIX]

I'll vote down ballot but I'm not voting for Biden and I'm sure as shit not going to reward a party that's insulted me and my positions constantly for the past five years. I refuse to vote for a return to the normalcy that got us Trump in the first place, the same "normalcy" that has fucked me over for the past 30 years. A third of my life has been shit due to failed economic and social policies (on the left and right). I'm not getting any of that back and it fucking sucks.

If a vote for green is a vote for Trump in a contested state, then consider me a Trump voter because I'd rather get past Trump and let the pendulum swing far left in 2024, hoping that either green party gets their federal funding or dems finally get the fucking message than vote for Biden in 2020 only for it to swing even further right in response in 2024.

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There is no evidence to suggest that a Donald Trump winning reelection is going to move the county more left. Especially considering that in 2020, Bernie lost ground compared to 2016.

 

[Volimar]

Should have told that women, queer folk and folks of color, then. This is apparently what they wanted too, though I can scarcely understood why.

The way I see it, they betrayed any chance we had at a progressive future, so they csn reap the seeds sewn from whatever the outcome is in November. Clearly my progressive white male voice wasn't welcome, and our societal incentive structures make it pretty easy to just sit back at this point and let whatever happen, happen.

Trump is fucking embarrassing, but so is Biden. Neither make me feel any better about my future, and the folks who I thought needed my voice chose Biden instead and clearly don't want my input, so I wish them all the best of luck.

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Throwing marginalized people under the bus to own the libs.