I think there's a (maybe not so) surprising percentage of Americans who have no idea what is going on unless it's being loudspeakered in their face right now, and only remember as long as the loudspeaker is still on.
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Bernie Sanders is the best candidate internationally (BadEmpanada)
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I think there's a (maybe not so) surprising percentage of Americans who have no idea what is going on unless it's being loudspeakered in their face right now, and only remember as long as the loudspeaker is still on.
He should do the former. And the same should go for most of Trump's Federal/Judicial picks.
I'm pretty sure all Dem candidates going to raise taxes in one form or another.
Every Democratic candidate is running on tax increases. Every one.
Am doing yet every single Dem is running on raising Taxes. Sanders is poised to do well and he's the most aggressive about it.
Very helpful, thanks.
Well, rudely put; a LOT of the replies from Bernie bros on ERA basically goes like this:
Person A Says something, sometimes hyperbolic but sometimes not.
Berniebro drive-by-posts something like "What are you on about ?/What are you talking about"? when the poster usually is VERY clear what they mean. The Dutch person above is a good example s/he made clear why they didn't like Bernie. TO just go "What are you on about?" is arrogant, and cultish in that you don't get to criticize Bernie.
Maybe it's because I'm Swedish and we tend to criticize the SHIT out of our politicians.
Uh, yeah I don't think Swedish media would hold such views against him. And they're the ones that usually describe him as quite Pro-America, internationally ignorant but better than Trump.
No, your brand of Berniebro just think it's revolutionary and unique because its from Bernie. But times, they are a-changing. (ANd I am glad American candidates are embracing the social democracy aspect as Europeans have begun to loose it)
Corbyn is like Sanders if the whole of the country's media were complicit in a constant vile and completely unsubstantiated smear attack against him.
I feel like most Republican senators are just cowardly corrupt individuals and don't actually give a shit about their constituents, Democrats are really corporate democrats and are more centrist than anything. They secretly like a lot of the policies that are making them money. For the most part care but don't really want to change much. So going with the most progressive person seems like the right thing to do. The fact that the media and most Dems hate Bernie cements this choice. CNN pretty much lost all my respect, seeing how they treated him. I now see them like the Fox News of the left.
Not from the US but all the Dem candidates seem better than Trump.
I like Warren's "break them up" slogan (referring to the tech giants).
Not sure if Bernie's idealism will survive the reality of politics and the economy.
I think it's time for creepy Joe to retire though.
I like Warren's "break them up" slogan (referring to the tech giants).
Not sure if Bernie's idealism will survive the reality of politics and the economy.
I think it's time for creepy Joe to retire though.
Some Republicans, sure. And it's for the same reason many Democrats from Hillary to her supporters (like myself) favored a Trump nomination: Hubris.
How are so many people talking about electability or taxes when the thread is obviously about foreign policy?
The best candidate for the rest of the world is one who will get elected against Trump. From a selfish external viewpoint I'd take the worst DINO if that was the best way to avoid another term of Trump. As a sane human being with a modicum of empathy I'd obviously want someone further left, but even there it has to be someone who can beat Trump.
The answer will be what the Senate does today.
If they call for witnesses, removal remains a possibility, and any democrat can probably beat Pence.
If they do not, however, then the USA will effectively have a king who can get away with anything, and the next year and the election are going to be a total shitshow.
So... there is basically no chance of the GOP actually doing the right thing and things becoming normal again.
They're two very different discussions and framing it as just who is most likely to beat Trump takes away completely from the purpose of the thread and turns a policy focused thread into a horse race thread, which is much less interesting.
I don't know what kind of response you expected when you didn't do the base level of informing yourself about a candidate before forming an opinion about them. I don't work for Bernie it's not my job to educate you.
Insinuating his following is cult-like while at the same time not knowing the first thing about the candidate truly is the *chef's kiss* of the galaxy minded discourse.
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Agreed. Except we don't know who will get elected against Trump. Much as I like to think Biden would lose against Trump, and Bernie would have a better shot, the truth is: we don't know. You don't know if Biden or Warren would beat Trump. Now, some predictions have a higher chance of being correct, obviously; for instance, if I said "X candidate will never beat Trump because they can't even get 5% in dem primary polls", it's non-controversial, and chances are I'd be right. But they're just predictions nonetheless.
Start voting for the people you believe in, not those who you think might possibly have a slightly better shot at winning against the incumbent president based on some assumption that "the average voter is like this or like that". We have no clue. We have to drop this electability self-fulfilling bullshit.
And yeah, as others have said, this is off-topic anyway. The thread and poll imply I'm talking about Bernie's program with regards to foreign policy.
Cultists? Huh
I don't care you criticized f Bernie Sanders the whole point of this primary . I responded Yesterday to a statement that many people did not understand which was " The only people who want Sanders to be president are either fools dreaming of 'free money' and Russians mobsters"
Which if you want to explain to me I'm all ears brother
But it seems that your problem isn't really lift Bernie Sanders international appeal but more with his supporters. .
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BadEmpanada is damn good content.
He's right, Bernie's the best candidate you lot have right now internationally. I hope you make the right choice.
I don't even think Bernie's perfect when it comes to foreign policy. In-fact I have some serious concerns, but the rest are just going to return to Obama era nonsense, maybe even worse.
'Anyone but Trump' isn't going to cut it. Cut that dishonest shit out, this is about FP.
He's right, Bernie's the best candidate you lot have right now internationally. I hope you make the right choice.
I don't even think Bernie's perfect when it comes to foreign policy. In-fact I have some serious concerns, but the rest are just going to return to Obama era nonsense, maybe even worse.
'Anyone but Trump' isn't going to cut it. Cut that dishonest shit out, this is about FP.
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Because $200 off their tax bill is more important to them than the rest of the planet.
I wasn't thinking about foreign poilicy in particular when I answered! Whopops lol, but overall I think Bernie has high chances of botching the job.
The ideals or intentions: good
My confidence in actual implementation: bad, with a slight fear that it will be so bad it will push progressivism and good foreign policy back a few decades for America
But it's gotta at least be better than Trump, right?! So.. if he's the only winning choice, guess that'll be what it be.
I definitely did not get that sentiment from your reply, nor is using bold on someone's post very visible on black theme and smaller screens.
And I have since been warned for it, since it was a bit over the line, which means that I must leave it at that.
However, I will humor it just once in the hopes that this will be the end of it. So, considering the response to CNN's effort to start shit between Warren and Sanders during the last debate, there is definitely something wrong with the online support Sanders seems to have. Whether that would be an all-American audience with a heavy sexist element to it, or a non-American audience that seeks to divide and conquer like in 2016, is honestly not the important part. The important part is that the people most 'conflicted' about voting for him, live in Trumpland (see a different thread), and are literally all-or-nothing in terms of getting him or going for Trump.
Which means that this white moderate vote cannot be trusted and should probably not be preached to since they will happily swing to the worst possible outcome.
I have never enjoyed the idea of Sanders running again because of how easy this type of vote can be messed with, and lead to irreparable damage to the actual candidate by the end of it, leading to a repeat of the 2016 election.
And, while people choose to ignore this, Sanders's foreign policy would work in Putin's favor (and SA's, and Iran's). And since don't seem to understand what kind of man that is, to put it simply: this is not the type of mobster you want to give anything to. Like the presidency of the USA. Or the Senate.
Which means he is not the best choice for the rest of the world. And without US support, Russia's continued war on Ukraine will not just continue, but get emboldened to the point where it will involve the EU directly.
With Brexit now official, it's really only a matter of time before we see more aggression anyway.
To say that the USA has no part in all of this, is simply ignoring the realities of today's world and the 75 years of US soft power creating the balance we have today. If anything, the Kurdish response to the USA pulling out and the immediate response by Turkey should have shown people that this "dove" shit is going to get way more people killed than a gradual one.
And then there are the Facebook approved (TM, Mark Zuckerberg) genocides to consider...
That will be all for me on this one. Of course I want better lives for everyone, but not every policy is equal in getting us there.
Btw, the real victory for the USA in the 2020 election will be flipping the Senate and finally getting rid of Moscow Mitch's influence.
Being from Latin America I do think he's the best/least destructive option/only candidate who actually cares about the region beyond how to best continue exploiting it.
Oh, with your attitude you'd make a very typical individual hired by his campaign.
IE, an arrogant bully who think using terms like "galaxy minded" somehow makes you smart or cool.
Sanders is an old man whose only claim to relevancy now is to have made sure more progressive candidates are entering the fray. Now, the original question was "Is he the best candidate for the world" and I said no. Because he isn't. He's good because he might re-evalue thinks like the policy of the US on Israel/Palestine like a normal country should have done long ago...But I sincerely doubt he'll do anything to assure old allies in places like Europe that the US are on their side.
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I'd say you're just like I've come to expect of BernieBros on ERA (which are basically like BB's on Reddit as well ) pick one part of the Dutch Persons message and then go "Well this is all that matters".
And it isn't, because considering the message was quite long it's disingenuous to just go for that line. Now, even if you did...Yeah?
Russian mobsters/Putler would love for another US president that went "Nope, not gonna bother about Europe!".
You mean why i have low confidence in him or his team in policy-making?
Probably more of a gut feeling than anything, though I also don't really have any things coming to mind when it comes to actual policy accomplishments either--whether subpar or not. That makes it harder for me to judge actual competence in that area.
I am not soothed by appeals to populism in any form, so people's passions for his campaign in the sense that he is a bit of a savior figure makes me a bit anxious lol.
I understand why that would be appealing, especially with the last few years of Trump, but it doesn't instill confidence in me.
Yeah, I was just interested in your rationale for why Sanders would be somehow less equipped than others to implement significant change. IMO there are structural and political obstacles, but I haven't seen much to suggest he or his team would have particular shortcomings.
Every single nation that Bernie and his followers takes his cues from, rightly, has much higher tax rates on everybody than the US does. The idea we can pay for the whole left-wing wishlist by simply raising taxes on the rich is a false notion. Obviously, it's a part of it, but it's not the whole package.
Good thing he has been upfront and said taxes will go up, but the savings from getting rid of premiums, copays, deductibles, and out of pocket will more than make up for it.
Anyone defending a public option for healthcare are fooling themselves. Just like public schools, funding will be cut.
The US doesn't work like the other countries and instead you have lobbyist representing he rich. Representing the insurance companies that made billions in profit.
Don't be shocked when the public option ends up being a disaster
Bernie never said he's going to only tax the rich. It's going to be taxed by income with the rich paying more of it.
The US doesn't work like the other countries and instead you have lobbyist representing he rich. Representing the insurance companies that made billions in profit.
Don't be shocked when the public option ends up being a disaster
Bernie never said he's going to only tax the rich. It's going to be taxed by income with the rich paying more of it.
Taxes aren't only going to go up for the ultra wealthy. Everyone is going to be paying in. As y2dvd said however, a lot of that for people will be offset for the fact that copays and such will no longer be necessary.
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I am not from the US, and I think the best candidate should be Trump. He'll keep improving economy and avoid the socialist programs from Obama's Era. Besides, the country still needs some conservatism to fight all the nasty agendas of globalists, eurasians and big giants of entertainment like Hollywood and Netflix, who have been fighting to promote horrible things like abortion by pressing against some states.
Nope, but children's right to live is totally independent from who is defending them.
Actually, I am one and I'd like to feel more respected for what I am.
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