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Bernie Sanders is the best candidate internationally (BadEmpanada)
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And that is to say if Biden can even beat Trump, which I don't think he can.
This poll is pretty telling so far. Bernie keeps getting equated to Warren in everything, except he flanks her left easily when it comes to foreign affairs.
What in particular is he left of her on? Warren came out immediately against Trump's Israel plan.
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Though this goes beyond the scope of this thread, a Bernie presidency isn't just about what he will or won't be able to accomplish. It's also about pushing the discourse (or the Overton window, if you will) to the left. Much like Trump has managed to empower the alt-right and make disgusting discourse more acceptable, a Bernie presidency will help normalize progressive ideas and policies. We've already seen this during the Dem primaries. Stuff like public healthcare has never been as prominent as it is now. I like to believe the US will someday finally be able to join the ranks of many other Western countries on that front.
This. This. This.
The entire 2016 dem primary cycle I remember one question for climate change being asked because a guy in a red shirt asked it and he got internet famous enough he started his own terrible podcast. Meanwhile thanks to one campaign we've had several roundtables solely focused on this issue.
-Palestinian issues
-Bernie didn't vote for Trump's military budget increases
-Calling the coup in Bolivia what it is
-Unequivocally denouncing the killing of Soleimani. Warren was coerced on TV into accepting the war mongering premise that he's a bad guy. We've seen this tactic with Saddam.
-Bernie showing solidarity with political prisoner Lula Da Silva where others have not
Given obama led to one of if not the worst presidents ever this really isnt as strong of an argument as you think it is. Or clinton leading to Bush, probably the worst president ever.
Not from the US.
I think Biden is probably the best for the "rest of the world" since he's the most likely to give into globalist influence. Both Bernie and Trump have protectionist tendencies and are against free trade.
The world fears a US that won't play ball so to speak. I guess there's other things to factor if you live in a conflict zone, but 9/10 it's the economy for most people.
I think Biden is probably the best for the "rest of the world" since he's the most likely to give into globalist influence. Both Bernie and Trump have protectionist tendencies and are against free trade.
The world fears a US that won't play ball so to speak. I guess there's other things to factor if you live in a conflict zone, but 9/10 it's the economy for most people.
This is a bit cult-like, don't ya think? "You dare criticize the Omnissiah?"
Swede here; Warren. Bernie seems like the typical career politician to me. Promise the sky and deliver the dirt, while his devoted fans scare me. You shouldn't raise anyone to such heights...It'll lead to disappointment, or worse options. Now, if it's him vs Trump...Oh yeah Bernie is the best goddamn option. But best for the world? Uh, isn't basically his thing "Make America Great Again But Not By Being a Racist Dick" ? Like, maybe that's local political analyses but left to right here usually paint Bernie as pretty unconcerned about international politics.
He SEEMS like a candidate i would vote for if i was American. But i'm not.
Warren seem okay.
Always a bit weird with politicians. You have to be a certain type of person to even want that job. You have to have a real hunger for power and being in the spotlight.
Most important part is that Trump leaves and that republicans get less of an influence. He's such a fucking moron. You're really making an international fool of yourself Stanning a cancerous person like that. He truelly is cancerous. Making the country sick. Creating chaos and stress in the world. He's dumb, knows next to nothing, has no ideals aside from filling his own pockets and is a despicable human being. You must be a really scared frustrated angry hateful cunt to vote for a dumb shit like him. Politicians around the world make fun of him or almost throw up just talking about him.
But whatever. We'll see what the USA is made of.
Warren seem okay.
Always a bit weird with politicians. You have to be a certain type of person to even want that job. You have to have a real hunger for power and being in the spotlight.
Most important part is that Trump leaves and that republicans get less of an influence. He's such a fucking moron. You're really making an international fool of yourself Stanning a cancerous person like that. He truelly is cancerous. Making the country sick. Creating chaos and stress in the world. He's dumb, knows next to nothing, has no ideals aside from filling his own pockets and is a despicable human being. You must be a really scared frustrated angry hateful cunt to vote for a dumb shit like him. Politicians around the world make fun of him or almost throw up just talking about him.
But whatever. We'll see what the USA is made of.
These aren't useful responses.
I appreciate what Bernie does by energizing and mobilizing voters and many who would not participate otherwise. I just want it channeled for a candidate who has the coordinated staff and the record of real domestic policy achievement that Warren has. And it really makes me question whether it wouldnt be better for Bernie to continue pushing congress left from his place in the Senate
Asking you clarify your statement is now cult like? Strange.
Sanders can accomplish a lot without senate control (student debt, FP, Climate). The first is something that will be wildly popular with the youth and might get them to show up for a second term. The latter two are directly related to the topic at hand and are instrumental to world peace (and incredibly important). So the fact you think he couldnt accomplish what hes setting out to do, specifically with this topic, is pretty uninformed which is why you didn't really bother why he couldnt accomplish these things and just went with the tired "pie in the sky" nothing better is possible stance.
Considering I have no idea
" This is a bit cult-like, don't ya think? "You dare criticize the Omnissiah?"
Means I think it was a very apt response
I think Bernie is the least interventionist and imperialist of the candidates and people who do not wish to imagine an America that doesn't try to bend as many nations as possible for its own economic benefit conflate this with being unconcerned about international politics.
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You realize you're talking to non-US residents here for the most part, right? We all know Bernie isn't some kind of revolutionary vanguard leftist who's gonna bring true communism/anarchism and can do no wrong. No shit he's nothing special to you: he takes direct inspiration from demsoc Northern European countries like yours. "Hey guys, this guy is doing the same thing as us, why am I not blown away?"
Even the guy in the video in my OP says Bernie is "milquetoast" (his words) on international affairs. But believe it or not, within the context of the US, and given how much sway that country holds over the rest of the world, that milquetoast-ness is nearly revolutionary, and certainly enough to feel like a breath of fresh air internationally. Europe especially is taking a sharp turn to the right, so it's reassuring to see a left-leaning presidential candidate in the US go the other way.
I don't even know why I'm dignifying galaxybrain takes like yours or the poster you're essentially defending here with a response. Probably because I'm bored at work.
Too dovish, especially with regard to Venezuela and maybe Russia/China where the US should be ramping up International pressure. Would prefer Biden or Buttigieg on this front.
That said, I appreciate his stance on Israel and his general agreement with Obama on the need to move away from the Mid. East
That said, I appreciate his stance on Israel and his general agreement with Obama on the need to move away from the Mid. East
My main questions around Warren is regarding foreign policy, which is central since the president can do a lot there even if the dems would not hold senate. Warren's near history on Israel-Palestine is problematic and she would need to be very explicit about what she thinks on these issues to sway me. She has not. Notably her position on Israel's 2014 war on Gaza is very problematic, she also voted for the defense authorization bill in 2018, her foreign policy advisor team is also highly suspect and would indicate that she'd wouldn't try to change any Dem positions of foreign policy, the military greening plan also suggests (to me) that some serious obfuscation regarding the "Responsibility" of the military industrial complex would go down. That she has no detailedwonky plans around foreign policy shows she at best have others lead these polcies, and considering who shehas on her foreign policy team, that is not agood thing.
LatAm can use a break from "US ramp ups". For too long the US has treated it like their personal state engineering experiment.
But Warren does not have a record of real policy achievement. Neither of them have accomplished a whole lot, legislatively.
The results of this poll are relieving. I know it is just a small sample so far but I thought Resetera disliked Bernie. Guess it is just a vocal minority as usual.
Brainchild come back.
Brainchild come back.
Besides, the talk about change and the more socialist bent means he's more like a Tau Ethereal than an Imperium/Necron God.
It doesn't matter what they pick. Americans will give power to a right wing nutcase in 8 years anyway.
Love Bernie and he's my pick but I'm not sure people are rabid fans of him for his international stances so much as a gigantic need for a strong domestic focus these days.
I'd say Biden is the most well suited to navigating the international waters in all matters and not just Israel.
I'd say Biden is the most well suited to navigating the international waters in all matters and not just Israel.
I would argue Warren is slightly better because of her policies on race. That's one thing that Bernie has consistently floundered on in comparison.
I plan to vote for Warren, but I would more than happy to have Bernie as the candidate as well.
I plan to vote for Warren, but I would more than happy to have Bernie as the candidate as well.
The gap between Bernie and other candidates on foreign policy is just staggering. We desperately need a Sanders presidency in order to course-correct on the disaster that has been the bipartisan American establishment foreign policy positions of the last 70 years.
My friends and family in Scotland don't follow it very closely but the only ones they've heard of, period, are Biden, Bernie and Warren - and they are pretty plain that Warren is the most like the sort of candidate they'd like, and they think Warren and Bernie have roughly the same policy positions (which is true). Scotland is quite political compared to the US - and politics are an essential aspect of conversation there, rather than taboo. Which is healthier. So while they don't know a lot, I suspect (well, I know) they know a lot more than we do about Europe.
I have a Spanish intern staying with us while she interns as a teacher at our public elementary and she has absolutely no clue what is going on, doesn't know who the two parties are and thinks of Trump roughly the same way we think of Benny Hill - as a gross but not serious TV character.
I have a Spanish intern staying with us while she interns as a teacher at our public elementary and she has absolutely no clue what is going on, doesn't know who the two parties are and thinks of Trump roughly the same way we think of Benny Hill - as a gross but not serious TV character.
Canadian here. Bernie is the best candidate for me. I like Warren, too, but there are certain things where I feel he edges her out. The other candidates are non-starters and Biden specifically has fallen off a cliff for me. The last year has been eye-opening in terms of his actual policies and I feel like he's deteriorating.
Sanders is clearly very popular on Era, but there is a very vocal minority that has made it their mission to enlighten the rest about why he isn't who you think he is. Creates the impression that 'Era hates Bernie' when that obviously isn't the case.
Sanders is clearly very popular on Era, but there is a very vocal minority that has made it their mission to enlighten the rest about why he isn't who you think he is. Creates the impression that 'Era hates Bernie' when that obviously isn't the case.
The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau was a Warren achievement.
Well of course an online leftist is going to think a leftist is the best option in a US presidential election. It also depends on what you mean as "the world," which I think typically means the West/Europe etc according to some people. Some nations have legitimate security concerns that the US helps ease, others have serious economic ties, and some just want us to get the fuck out. I think any of the Dems will be fine and Biden overall would gel the best as a member of the Obama Administration's political establishment with the usual suspects, but Bernie would be fine too.
Yep.
Sanders has really come together to merge domestic and foreign issues as they often are directly related.
Scaling back the US empire frees up resources for domestic funding. But it goes beyond that,
It's about respecting Democracy here and abroad. We don't need to mettle in a lot of the affairs that we do. We need to show solidarity where we can with the people of other countries and respect their humanity.
In terms of foreign policy, I think Sanders offers the most clear and understandable vision for the US' role in the world.
Also to add to my list from above,
Bernie also led the charge with Mike Lee from Utah to take a stand against the US' role in the War taking place in Yemen.
Crazy to say this given Obama's numerous war crimes and mass murders, in a thread about who would be best for the world (not to mention Biden is lacking on climate change as well).
People constantly hand wave American military adventurism and birdbrained CIA ops like the Venezuela coup as "no big deal", this is nothing new.
Bernie has the potential to be the least war criminal President in probably over a century. That people can so blithely dismiss this is a real indictment of the US political system.
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Middle Easterners want a Jewish US president? Or am I missing the message here?
Agreed. Not to mention that the people citing Venezuela are seemingly forgetting that the sanctions we imposed on them account for a massive hit to the state of their economy in the first place right now.
So you want.....more attempted coups by the country that is largely responsible for the suffering of Venezuela?
Ok friendo. You do you.